ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing about being forced to play “down” is real and part of the pushback. Take someone now playing for the top team in their age group at 11v11 for the first time. Now ask them to play with a group currently at 9v9 next season during their first year at 11v11. Sure they could make the most of it and become a better player anyway out of it but all things equal, it’s a step back, especially as the rest of their team moves ahead. From a global perspective, SY might be better match, but not for many within the current system. That’s why a phase-in at younger ages would be the best solution long-term.

Who would go from 11v11 to 9v9? If a player "repeats" a year, that player would stay in 11v11. If that player is good enough, he can stay with his current team after the re-shuffling.

The birth year was always a dumb choice and it's past time to correct it.

What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what the age cutoff is, NO ONE IS PLAYING DOWN. Stop with this BS that any Q4 kid that would change teams/age divisions is doing so to play down. They would simply be playing their age bracket. How hard is this concept to understand. When things changed in 2017, was every Q4 kid now PLAYING UP? No!! They were playing their age division. The only way to play down is to falsify one's age to unfairly play in a league they are not eligible to play in. Good grief.

Won't a 2010 November kid start playing down with 2011's if it goes to SY?

We need to stop the up/down talk because people can't seem to grasp that the "up" and "down" is a relative term. Once you change from BY to SY, the entire reference system changes. A Nov kid wouldn't be playing "down" after the change; he'd just be one of the older kids in his new "true" age grouping. Yes the teammates might change, but that doesn't mean he's all of a sudden playing "down". Crudely speaking, playing DOWN is gaming the system to play >12 months below your age.

According to the rest of the globe and MLS, if you're a 2010 playing with 2011's (not allowed) you are playing down

ECNL world is apparently in a bubble

NO!! Ever hear of school year soccer/football in England and Argentina? Guess all those Q4 kids playing down as well. This is insane logic.

So November 2010 kid been playing with 2010's the past 8 years

They are forced to play with 2011's in SY, how is that not playing down?

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It was Aug 1- July 31 for the longest time. It is like that in many countries, including England. January kids have simply been playing down. Maybe if the January-June birthday kids were good...this decision wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, most are just RL players, only playing on the ECNL team, because they are playing down an age group with kids almost 12 months and a grade younger.

How are you January 2011 and playing U14's against other 2011's playing down?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing about being forced to play “down” is real and part of the pushback. Take someone now playing for the top team in their age group at 11v11 for the first time. Now ask them to play with a group currently at 9v9 next season during their first year at 11v11. Sure they could make the most of it and become a better player anyway out of it but all things equal, it’s a step back, especially as the rest of their team moves ahead. From a global perspective, SY might be better match, but not for many within the current system. That’s why a phase-in at younger ages would be the best solution long-term.

Who would go from 11v11 to 9v9? If a player "repeats" a year, that player would stay in 11v11. If that player is good enough, he can stay with his current team after the re-shuffling.

The birth year was always a dumb choice and it's past time to correct it.

What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

Most of those other countries split school years Jan 1 as well, and don't have school soccer teams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing about being forced to play “down” is real and part of the pushback. Take someone now playing for the top team in their age group at 11v11 for the first time. Now ask them to play with a group currently at 9v9 next season during their first year at 11v11. Sure they could make the most of it and become a better player anyway out of it but all things equal, it’s a step back, especially as the rest of their team moves ahead. From a global perspective, SY might be better match, but not for many within the current system. That’s why a phase-in at younger ages would be the best solution long-term.

Who would go from 11v11 to 9v9? If a player "repeats" a year, that player would stay in 11v11. If that player is good enough, he can stay with his current team after the re-shuffling.

The birth year was always a dumb choice and it's past time to correct it.

What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

Most of those other countries split school years Jan 1 as well, and don't have school soccer teams.

Say that again???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing about being forced to play “down” is real and part of the pushback. Take someone now playing for the top team in their age group at 11v11 for the first time. Now ask them to play with a group currently at 9v9 next season during their first year at 11v11. Sure they could make the most of it and become a better player anyway out of it but all things equal, it’s a step back, especially as the rest of their team moves ahead. From a global perspective, SY might be better match, but not for many within the current system. That’s why a phase-in at younger ages would be the best solution long-term.

Who would go from 11v11 to 9v9? If a player "repeats" a year, that player would stay in 11v11. If that player is good enough, he can stay with his current team after the re-shuffling.

The birth year was always a dumb choice and it's past time to correct it.

What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

Most of those other countries split school years Jan 1 as well, and don't have school soccer teams.

There are no other countries to draw a direct comparison from, other than the UK. America is 5x the size of France and 7x the size of Spain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing about being forced to play “down” is real and part of the pushback. Take someone now playing for the top team in their age group at 11v11 for the first time. Now ask them to play with a group currently at 9v9 next season during their first year at 11v11. Sure they could make the most of it and become a better player anyway out of it but all things equal, it’s a step back, especially as the rest of their team moves ahead. From a global perspective, SY might be better match, but not for many within the current system. That’s why a phase-in at younger ages would be the best solution long-term.

Who would go from 11v11 to 9v9? If a player "repeats" a year, that player would stay in 11v11. If that player is good enough, he can stay with his current team after the re-shuffling.

The birth year was always a dumb choice and it's past time to correct it.

What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

Most of those other countries split school years Jan 1 as well, and don't have school soccer teams.

There are no other countries to draw a direct comparison from, other than the UK. America is 5x the size of France and 7x the size of Spain.

How does size of country make a difference?
They are either using Jan 1st or School Year.

Does January 1st mean something different depending on your population?

[Anonymous]

Q4 parent. High School teacher. Coached in a different sport for a long time (not soccer). At our school, our soccer players start committing and being recruiting late sophomore year into junior year. I'm at a private school. The kids here are going to a lot of top (academically) d3, a few Ivies from time to time. The top kids at our school have done academy/MLS next and never played for the high school. They all seem committed very early. So, a genuine question, what kind of recruiting is done senior year? Aren't they all doing ID sessions since freshman year? I never really worried about my kid "trapped" as I figured he would know by senior year if he was a college level player or not. I would love for the brackets to change, but am I wrong to not worry about the senior trap year?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing about being forced to play “down” is real and part of the pushback. Take someone now playing for the top team in their age group at 11v11 for the first time. Now ask them to play with a group currently at 9v9 next season during their first year at 11v11. Sure they could make the most of it and become a better player anyway out of it but all things equal, it’s a step back, especially as the rest of their team moves ahead. From a global perspective, SY might be better match, but not for many within the current system. That’s why a phase-in at younger ages would be the best solution long-term.

Who would go from 11v11 to 9v9? If a player "repeats" a year, that player would stay in 11v11. If that player is good enough, he can stay with his current team after the re-shuffling.

The birth year was always a dumb choice and it's past time to correct it.

What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

Most of those other countries split school years Jan 1 as well, and don't have school soccer teams.

There are no other countries to draw a direct comparison from, other than the UK. America is 5x the size of France and 7x the size of Spain.

I was just following the thread where someone asked "Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?"

How does size of country make a difference?
They are either using Jan 1st or School Year.

Does January 1st mean something different depending on your population?

I was just following the thread where someone asked "Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing about being forced to play “down” is real and part of the pushback. Take someone now playing for the top team in their age group at 11v11 for the first time. Now ask them to play with a group currently at 9v9 next season during their first year at 11v11. Sure they could make the most of it and become a better player anyway out of it but all things equal, it’s a step back, especially as the rest of their team moves ahead. From a global perspective, SY might be better match, but not for many within the current system. That’s why a phase-in at younger ages would be the best solution long-term.

Who would go from 11v11 to 9v9? If a player "repeats" a year, that player would stay in 11v11. If that player is good enough, he can stay with his current team after the re-shuffling.

The birth year was always a dumb choice and it's past time to correct it.

What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

Most of those other countries split school years Jan 1 as well, and don't have school soccer teams.

There are no other countries to draw a direct comparison from, other than the UK. America is 5x the size of France and 7x the size of Spain.

Certainly not by size, but the other one similar to us in this cutoff regard is probably Germany. They have summer cutoff for school and Jan 1 for soccer. They also tend to have among the worst RAE profiles on their elite teams. Could be compounded by their style of play. You could argue Spain, France, Belgium, etc., are actually SY based, because they align school and soccer at Jan 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

What’s wrong with school year?

Every other sport, including college recruiting for soccer, goes by school year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing about being forced to play “down” is real and part of the pushback. Take someone now playing for the top team in their age group at 11v11 for the first time. Now ask them to play with a group currently at 9v9 next season during their first year at 11v11. Sure they could make the most of it and become a better player anyway out of it but all things equal, it’s a step back, especially as the rest of their team moves ahead. From a global perspective, SY might be better match, but not for many within the current system. That’s why a phase-in at younger ages would be the best solution long-term.

Who would go from 11v11 to 9v9? If a player "repeats" a year, that player would stay in 11v11. If that player is good enough, he can stay with his current team after the re-shuffling.

The birth year was always a dumb choice and it's past time to correct it.

What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

You understand that the school year is defined by birth year in most other countries. Therefore SY and BY are the same.

[Anonymous]

For club players their last chance to impress is their junior year season. For Trapped players they basically dont have a normal team to play on and have to hope that they have been spotted in their sophomore year.

[Anonymous]

Is that because the seniors are just messing around because they are done and didn't get recruited?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

What’s wrong with school year?

Every other sport, including college recruiting for soccer, goes by school year.

Oligopoly leagues cooperating as pure BY or pure SY are both too limiting.

American soccer would benefit from having both in high level travel soccer.

Hopefully, ECNL and MLS/GA go with different age dates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What's dumb with birth year?
Why is everyone but England and maybe one other doing BY if it's dumb?

What’s wrong with school year?

Every other sport, including college recruiting for soccer, goes by school year.

Oligopoly leagues cooperating as pure BY or pure SY are both too limiting.

American soccer would benefit from having both in high level travel soccer.

Hopefully, ECNL and MLS/GA go with different age dates.

C'mon we can't let the people decide, they need to be told which is better for them.