Redshirting consequences at Lafayette

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe parents think kindergarten should start at 5. Really capable kindergartners start at 4. https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear/

We need to level the playing field and match our rules to the rest of the country. Parents bragging about their 5-year-olds are so jejune.

If kids aren’t ready for kindergarten at 4, then parents just need to stop being lazy, work harder, and get them ready.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe parents think kindergarten should start at 5. Really capable kindergartners start at 4. https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear/

We need to level the playing field and match our rules to the rest of the country. Parents bragging about their 5-year-olds are so jejune.

If kids aren’t ready for kindergarten at 4, then parents just need to stop being lazy, work harder, and get them ready.

Seriously why. What’s the rush for? What are you chasing?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe parents think kindergarten should start at 5. Really capable kindergartners start at 4. https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear/

We need to level the playing field and match our rules to the rest of the country. Parents bragging about their 5-year-olds are so jejune.

If kids aren’t ready for kindergarten at 4, then parents just need to stop being lazy, work harder, and get them ready.

Seriously why. What’s the rush for? What are you chasing?

The point is these dates are arbitrary, and every school district has different ones. In Palo Alto starting at 4 is illegal but 6 is ok.

DC should adopt the rule created by the best educator in the best school district.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe parents think kindergarten should start at 5. Really capable kindergartners start at 4. https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear/

We need to level the playing field and match our rules to the rest of the country. Parents bragging about their 5-year-olds are so jejune.

If kids aren’t ready for kindergarten at 4, then parents just need to stop being lazy, work harder, and get them ready.

Seriously why. What’s the rush for? What are you chasing?

But also, in New York, 1/3 of students are forced to start at 4. The rule doesn’t care if you as the parent think it’s a rush.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe parents think kindergarten should start at 5. Really capable kindergartners start at 4. https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear/

We need to level the playing field and match our rules to the rest of the country. Parents bragging about their 5-year-olds are so jejune.

If kids aren’t ready for kindergarten at 4, then parents just need to stop being lazy, work harder, and get them ready.

Seriously why. What’s the rush for? What are you chasing?

But also, in New York, 1/3 of students are forced to start at 4. The rule doesn’t care if you as the parent think it’s a rush.

My kid started at four. It was fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Bonkers thread. I’ve never rooted against people so hard as I do these parents. (And I generally support wiggle room.) they’re really saying the quiet part out loud. I’m sure they’ll get their way in the end, unfortunately.

These parents think they can always get what they want, always have the system bend to their needs, etc. These are those parents that want DCPS to have a strict absence policy for kids in other wards but want their kids to be excused for their trips to Paris because it’s educational.

A trip to Paris is educational. The fastest way to a defunded department of education is to not show an understanding of this. Taking away someone’s trip to Paris gets you nothing, and then gets what you have taken away.

Missing school for a soccer tournament is also educational. So is attending the Westinghouse competition. Call CPS for any of this, call CPS for redshirting, while leaving other kids abused and you will get an immediate loss in support for institutions you want to be strong.

Loosen absentee policies on other wards if you want, but take the steps to make public schools the best they can be if you’re going to send your children there.

By the way anti-redshirters, you know this is where things are headed next right? CPS investigates your trip to Paris.

And what will CPS do exactly? I mean in a world of DEI it would be “nothing” which is the same as what they do when kids in other wards miss school and can’t even say where they were….

They are desperate to justify holding back their kids to give them a perceived edge without putting any effort into their kid like the rest of us do. So, they are bringing up all kind of nonsense. If anything if you don’t enroll your child in k on time or have them in an academic setting or homeschool, then cps might get involved due to educational neglect.

Listen, what you did for your family is between you and your family alone. That doesn’t give you license to tell others how to parent. You’ve not a heroine mom, you”re not a model to follow.

Most of all, Karen, stop meddling in other families business. They will raise their kids however they see fit.

Your choices impact our kids and their school experiences. They expect our five year olds to act like 6-7 year olds in K vs. the age appropiate 5 year old. And, then you act all inflamed when our younger kids surpass yours as you refused to work with them at all. I feel bad for kids like yours. You have all the time in the world to fight with others online but you cannot take 30 minutes a day to work with them.

It’s certain your kid didn’t “surpass” mine whatever you think that means. I’m also guessing you’re far from the perfect parent you imagine yourself to be. If this thread is any indication, your social skills are non existant and I’m hoping you didn’t pass on to your kid and didn’t mess them up irredeemably.

My child took algebra in 6th, BC in 10th... is your child don't that? And, not a brag, just a smart kid who enjoys math.

Why do you feel the need to hold your smart, non-special needs child back a year? Why do you tantrum and have a fit, and bully vs. answering basic questions? If there were a good reason, the school would probably work with you. If your social skills are super high, why aren't your child's? Sounds like its time to get off social media and work wtih them as they are going to miss K.

I see, you’re the type that never misses an opportunity to whine about redshirted kids and brag about your child’s academics. Both qualities are guaranteed to endear you to other parents and win you many lifelong friends. They do go hand in hand, perhaps some redshirted kid scarred you for life by doing better on a test than your progeny, and you clinged onto that bitterness for years.

Sorry to deflate you pride, but my kid did both Algebra and Calculus in earlier grades. I’d add that it’s far better to focus on your kids accomplishments alone, instead of comparing with others or being too invested in what others are doing. There’s always somebody that’s better in some aspect.

To be clear I didn’t hold my kid back, and also it’s none of your business why parents want to to do that. Nobody owes you any explanation on the topic.

I suspect you held back your kids, which is why you are traumatized about it. So, what grade did your kids take Algebra and Calc BC? If you have HS or older kids, you understand it's not healthy to have an age range of 13-20 year 20-year-olds in HS in the same classes. If your 9th-10th grader took calc, they'd be in with mostly juniors and seniors, and if those kids were held back, much older. You think its ok for a 13-year-old girl to be dating a 17-year-old boy? Or, their conversations, which are much older/age-appropriate for them, but not a 13-year-old? Holding back impacts all kids as its not developmentally appropriate for the child held back nor the younger kids whom the teachers don't have realistic expectations. Those held-back kids should be held to a much higher standard.

And, the point is that smart kids should be academically challenged, and holding back doesn't challenge them. Kids struggling should go on time for the age appropiate peers and be provided with extra supports.

For me, your irrational anxieties about sexual predators and unresolved sexual hangups are not good enough to bar a child from starting school at an age when he may be more successful. If that’s your issue, then long and recurring sessions of therapy is the way to calm your nerves, instead of taking it out on another child. You’ve got a lot of self work ahead of you.

Regarding your opinions on when kids should go to school, when they should be challenged, what’s developmentally appropriate etc, since when are you an educational expert? Actually don’t bother answering, nobody cares what you think on the topic.

How do you know if these kids will be successful or not? They were never given the chance. You clearly have no clue what's going on in schools if you don't realize all the issues, including rapes and other things. Educational experts have decided kids go to K at age 5. There is a cut off. So, you know more than they do?

I said he may be more successful. Educational experts are divided on when kids should start kindergarten it varies 4-6 year olds and redshirting may only be helpful in the first few years. More reason to let the parents decide.

There are many other “educational experts” and schools districts that recommend Algebra only in 9th grade, no acceleration, de-tracking, Calculus BC only after AB etc. I’m sure you’d biatch and moan the loudest if these rules were inflicted upon your kid. Then you wouldn’t be a “follow the rules” type. You only want the rules to be followed when you think it benefits your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Bonkers thread. I’ve never rooted against people so hard as I do these parents. (And I generally support wiggle room.) they’re really saying the quiet part out loud. I’m sure they’ll get their way in the end, unfortunately.

These parents think they can always get what they want, always have the system bend to their needs, etc. These are those parents that want DCPS to have a strict absence policy for kids in other wards but want their kids to be excused for their trips to Paris because it’s educational.

A trip to Paris is educational. The fastest way to a defunded department of education is to not show an understanding of this. Taking away someone’s trip to Paris gets you nothing, and then gets what you have taken away.

Missing school for a soccer tournament is also educational. So is attending the Westinghouse competition. Call CPS for any of this, call CPS for redshirting, while leaving other kids abused and you will get an immediate loss in support for institutions you want to be strong.

Loosen absentee policies on other wards if you want, but take the steps to make public schools the best they can be if you’re going to send your children there.

By the way anti-redshirters, you know this is where things are headed next right? CPS investigates your trip to Paris.

And what will CPS do exactly? I mean in a world of DEI it would be “nothing” which is the same as what they do when kids in other wards miss school and can’t even say where they were….

They are desperate to justify holding back their kids to give them a perceived edge without putting any effort into their kid like the rest of us do. So, they are bringing up all kind of nonsense. If anything if you don’t enroll your child in k on time or have them in an academic setting or homeschool, then cps might get involved due to educational neglect.

Listen, what you did for your family is between you and your family alone. That doesn’t give you license to tell others how to parent. You’ve not a heroine mom, you”re not a model to follow.

Most of all, Karen, stop meddling in other families business. They will raise their kids however they see fit.

Your choices impact our kids and their school experiences. They expect our five year olds to act like 6-7 year olds in K vs. the age appropiate 5 year old. And, then you act all inflamed when our younger kids surpass yours as you refused to work with them at all. I feel bad for kids like yours. You have all the time in the world to fight with others online but you cannot take 30 minutes a day to work with them.

It’s certain your kid didn’t “surpass” mine whatever you think that means. I’m also guessing you’re far from the perfect parent you imagine yourself to be. If this thread is any indication, your social skills are non existant and I’m hoping you didn’t pass on to your kid and didn’t mess them up irredeemably.

My child took algebra in 6th, BC in 10th... is your child don't that? And, not a brag, just a smart kid who enjoys math.

Why do you feel the need to hold your smart, non-special needs child back a year? Why do you tantrum and have a fit, and bully vs. answering basic questions? If there were a good reason, the school would probably work with you. If your social skills are super high, why aren't your child's? Sounds like its time to get off social media and work wtih them as they are going to miss K.

I see, you’re the type that never misses an opportunity to whine about redshirted kids and brag about your child’s academics. Both qualities are guaranteed to endear you to other parents and win you many lifelong friends. They do go hand in hand, perhaps some redshirted kid scarred you for life by doing better on a test than your progeny, and you clinged onto that bitterness for years.

Sorry to deflate you pride, but my kid did both Algebra and Calculus in earlier grades. I’d add that it’s far better to focus on your kids accomplishments alone, instead of comparing with others or being too invested in what others are doing. There’s always somebody that’s better in some aspect.

To be clear I didn’t hold my kid back, and also it’s none of your business why parents want to to do that. Nobody owes you any explanation on the topic.

I suspect you held back your kids, which is why you are traumatized about it. So, what grade did your kids take Algebra and Calc BC? If you have HS or older kids, you understand it's not healthy to have an age range of 13-20 year 20-year-olds in HS in the same classes. If your 9th-10th grader took calc, they'd be in with mostly juniors and seniors, and if those kids were held back, much older. You think its ok for a 13-year-old girl to be dating a 17-year-old boy? Or, their conversations, which are much older/age-appropriate for them, but not a 13-year-old? Holding back impacts all kids as its not developmentally appropriate for the child held back nor the younger kids whom the teachers don't have realistic expectations. Those held-back kids should be held to a much higher standard.

And, the point is that smart kids should be academically challenged, and holding back doesn't challenge them. Kids struggling should go on time for the age appropiate peers and be provided with extra supports.

For me, your irrational anxieties about sexual predators and unresolved sexual hangups are not good enough to bar a child from starting school at an age when he may be more successful. If that’s your issue, then long and recurring sessions of therapy is the way to calm your nerves, instead of taking it out on another child. You’ve got a lot of self work ahead of you.

Regarding your opinions on when kids should go to school, when they should be challenged, what’s developmentally appropriate etc, since when are you an educational expert? Actually don’t bother answering, nobody cares what you think on the topic.

How do you know if these kids will be successful or not? They were never given the chance. You clearly have no clue what's going on in schools if you don't realize all the issues, including rapes and other things. Educational experts have decided kids go to K at age 5. There is a cut off. So, you know more than they do?

I said he may be more successful. Educational experts are divided on when kids should start kindergarten it varies 4-6 year olds and redshirting may only be helpful in the first few years. More reason to let the parents decide.

There are many other “educational experts” and schools districts that recommend Algebra only in 9th grade, no acceleration, de-tracking, Calculus BC only after AB etc. I’m sure you’d biatch and moan the loudest if these rules were inflicted upon your kid. Then you wouldn’t be a “follow the rules” type. You only want the rules to be followed when you think it benefits your kid.

Why don’t we just get rid of k, wait a year and start all kids at 6 in 1st. These parents are not experts as there is no good justification and k starts at age 5.

Most school districts are not what you are saying and it’s all not relevant. If a kid can start algebra in 9th if these kids are behind they have time to catch up to their peers and go n time. If they have sn, they should go to get the help or be in therapies or something.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe parents think kindergarten should start at 5. Really capable kindergartners start at 4. https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear/

We need to level the playing field and match our rules to the rest of the country. Parents bragging about their 5-year-olds are so jejune.

If kids aren’t ready for kindergarten at 4, then parents just need to stop being lazy, work harder, and get them ready.

Seriously why. What’s the rush for? What are you chasing?

But also, in New York, 1/3 of students are forced to start at 4. The rule doesn’t care if you as the parent think it’s a rush.

There is always private. Mine started at four.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe parents think kindergarten should start at 5. Really capable kindergartners start at 4. https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear/

We need to level the playing field and match our rules to the rest of the country. Parents bragging about their 5-year-olds are so jejune.

If kids aren’t ready for kindergarten at 4, then parents just need to stop being lazy, work harder, and get them ready.

Seriously why. What’s the rush for? What are you chasing?

But also, in New York, 1/3 of students are forced to start at 4. The rule doesn’t care if you as the parent think it’s a rush.

My kid started at four. It was fine.

There’s always one.

Either way, let’s change the law here to start at 4. Invite all the challenges NYC is dealing with into our classrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe parents think kindergarten should start at 5. Really capable kindergartners start at 4. https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear/

We need to level the playing field and match our rules to the rest of the country. Parents bragging about their 5-year-olds are so jejune.

If kids aren’t ready for kindergarten at 4, then parents just need to stop being lazy, work harder, and get them ready.

Seriously why. What’s the rush for? What are you chasing?

But also, in New York, 1/3 of students are forced to start at 4. The rule doesn’t care if you as the parent think it’s a rush.

My kid started at four. It was fine.

There’s always one.

Either way, let’s change the law here to start at 4. Invite all the challenges NYC is dealing with into our classrooms.

NY has a different age cut off so yes younger kids are in K (cutoff is December 31). My niece turned 5 in November of kindergarten in NY.

To your comment about challenges in NYC classrooms, as if DCPS doesn’t already have those same challenges. Ever step foot in a DCPS school besides your upper NW WOTP school?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe parents think kindergarten should start at 5. Really capable kindergartners start at 4. https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear/

We need to level the playing field and match our rules to the rest of the country. Parents bragging about their 5-year-olds are so jejune.

If kids aren’t ready for kindergarten at 4, then parents just need to stop being lazy, work harder, and get them ready.

Seriously why. What’s the rush for? What are you chasing?

But also, in New York, 1/3 of students are forced to start at 4. The rule doesn’t care if you as the parent think it’s a rush.

My kid started at four. It was fine.

There’s always one.

Either way, let’s change the law here to start at 4. Invite all the challenges NYC is dealing with into our classrooms.

NY has a different age cut off so yes younger kids are in K (cutoff is December 31). My niece turned 5 in November of kindergarten in NY.

To your comment about challenges in NYC classrooms, as if DCPS doesn’t already have those same challenges. Ever step foot in a DCPS school besides your upper NW WOTP school?

But how is it fair? Some people should be advantaged just for living in DC? America should have the same kindergarten age. DC parents would be considered “redshirting” under NY law. They shouldn’t be allowed to do that. They just want to advantage their own kids.

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If the objective is equitable options for every student, what DCPS should do would be for every child make a decision if they are K ready. Even if you are already enrolled in DCPS, have the same standards applied across the city so that children who are in PreK3 / PreK4 do not get social promotion into K. Reframe the message that some kids stick in PreK and not make it a thing for moving to K. If a parent disagrees with the decision that the child is K ready, there is the appropriate supports in place.

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Anonymous wrote:If the objective is equitable options for every student, what DCPS should do would be for every child make a decision if they are K ready. Even if you are already enrolled in DCPS, have the same standards applied across the city so that children who are in PreK3 / PreK4 do not get social promotion into K. Reframe the message that some kids stick in PreK and not make it a thing for moving to K. If a parent disagrees with the decision that the child is K ready, there is the appropriate supports in place.

I agree with this line of thought. In addition, allow the parents of summer babies to make that decision if they want to enroll their child in k or stay another year. The age gap is still acceptable and those kids would still complete high school as ~18 year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:If the objective is equitable options for every student, what DCPS should do would be for every child make a decision if they are K ready. Even if you are already enrolled in DCPS, have the same standards applied across the city so that children who are in PreK3 / PreK4 do not get social promotion into K. Reframe the message that some kids stick in PreK and not make it a thing for moving to K. If a parent disagrees with the decision that the child is K ready, there is the appropriate supports in place.

I agree with this line of thought. In addition, allow the parents of summer babies to make that decision if they want to enroll their child in k or stay another year. The age gap is still acceptable and those kids would still complete high school as ~18 year olds.

Then go private why should tax payers pay for an extra year of preschool?

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Anonymous wrote:If the objective is equitable options for every student, what DCPS should do would be for every child make a decision if they are K ready. Even if you are already enrolled in DCPS, have the same standards applied across the city so that children who are in PreK3 / PreK4 do not get social promotion into K. Reframe the message that some kids stick in PreK and not make it a thing for moving to K. If a parent disagrees with the decision that the child is K ready, there is the appropriate supports in place.

I agree with this line of thought. In addition, allow the parents of summer babies to make that decision if they want to enroll their child in k or stay another year. The age gap is still acceptable and those kids would still complete high school as ~18 year olds.

Then go private why should tax payers pay for an extra year of preschool?

I never mentioned anything about tax payers pay for an extra year of preschool. I simply proposed to give the parents leeway to decide when their summer child should start K!
And there is already a DCPS policy in place that students cannot repeat a school year. What I proposed is separate from retaining two years.