Overtime for Salaried workers

[Anonymous]

A lot of the feminist threads keep mentioning long hours, lack of childcare options for those who work long hours, etc. Makes me wonder why exactly salaried workers aren't paid overtime or comp time? I think reducing working hours to what we're actually paid for (40 hours) would do a lot towards making our whole society family friendly. My coworkers who work the longest hours frequently take 2 hour lunches, hold pointless meetings and slack off, but they feel required to stay until 7 or 8pm to get "face time" and prove they worked long hours.

Is it like this in Europe (or other countries)?

[Anonymous]

If you are salaried, then you are exempt from federal overtime laws (flsa).
Now, if you are not appropriately a salaried employee, that's another question.

[Anonymous]

No, it's not like this in Europe

[Anonymous]

You're not "actually paid for" 40 hours, you're paid for the number of hours you take to get your job done, whether it's 20 or 60. Salaried work has a lot of upsides compared to hourly work, so of course there will be downsides as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, it's not like this in Europe

You aren't in Europe, are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are salaried, then you are exempt from federal overtime laws (flsa).
Now, if you are not appropriately a salaried employee, that's another question.

This is wholly inaccurate. Many many many salaried employees (including lots of federal employees) are covered by FLSA and entitled to overtime pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are salaried, then you are exempt from federal overtime laws (flsa).
Now, if you are not appropriately a salaried employee, that's another question.

This is wholly inaccurate. Many many many salaried employees (including lots of federal employees) are covered by FLSA and entitled to overtime pay.

You're splitting hairs. The PP was probably using salaried in lieu of exempt versus non-exempt. Yes, there can be salaried non-exempt workers but the vast majority of salaried workers are exempt. The Federal government also has specific rules around pay that have nothing to do with the FLSA and is not applicable to the majority of the U.S. workforce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are salaried, then you are exempt from federal overtime laws (flsa).
Now, if you are not appropriately a salaried employee, that's another question.

This is wholly inaccurate. Many many many salaried employees (including lots of federal employees) are covered by FLSA and entitled to overtime pay.

You're splitting hairs. The PP was probably using salaried in lieu of exempt versus non-exempt. Yes, there can be salaried non-exempt workers but the vast majority of salaried workers are exempt. The Federal government also has specific rules around pay that have nothing to do with the FLSA and is not applicable to the majority of the U.S. workforce.

I disagree. To say that anyone, or even most people, who is paid a salary is not entitled to overtime is spreading misinformation. And FLSA is applicable to the federal workforce.

[Anonymous]

PP here. By way of example: paralegals are entitled to FLSA overtime, as are the majority of non-managerial occupations that do not require a degree beyond general undergrad.

[Anonymous]

OP, I think part of the problem is the second half of your thread: People feel they need to clock in long hours to create the facade of working long hours.

I think part of the issue is this ridiculous notion that being a good employee means working 50 or more hours a week. Being a good employee means getting your work done and doing it well.

The question is are employers loading salaried employees with way more work than can reasonably be done in a 40 hour work week? Or are employees stacking hours to look busy (and is that kind of thing rewarded)?

And, no, I don't think it is like this in England or Europe. I think that they have a better notion of a balanced life. They give better maternity leave, for one. But I also think that there is a more reasonable approach to how many hours a week a normal person should work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are salaried, then you are exempt from federal overtime laws (flsa).
Now, if you are not appropriately a salaried employee, that's another question.

This is wholly inaccurate. Many many many salaried employees (including lots of federal employees) are covered by FLSA and entitled to overtime pay.

You're splitting hairs. The PP was probably using salaried in lieu of exempt versus non-exempt. Yes, there can be salaried non-exempt workers but the vast majority of salaried workers are exempt. The Federal government also has specific rules around pay that have nothing to do with the FLSA and is not applicable to the majority of the U.S. workforce.

I disagree. To say that anyone, or even most people, who is paid a salary is not entitled to overtime is spreading misinformation. And FLSA is applicable to the federal workforce.

No one said that Feds are not covered by the FLSA. The Feds have regulations above and beyond the FLSA. The majority of the U.S. Workforce does not work for the Federal government so what they offer doesn't apply to the majority of American workers (e.g. Public sector workers can revive comp time in lieu of overtime. Private sector workers cannot).

Since one of the requirements to be exempt is to be paid on a salaried basis, it is accurate to think the majority of workers that are salaried are exempt from overtime. That does not mean that ALL salaried workers are exempt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are salaried, then you are exempt from federal overtime laws (flsa).
Now, if you are not appropriately a salaried employee, that's another question.

This is wholly inaccurate. Many many many salaried employees (including lots of federal employees) are covered by FLSA and entitled to overtime pay.

You're splitting hairs. The PP was probably using salaried in lieu of exempt versus non-exempt. Yes, there can be salaried non-exempt workers but the vast majority of salaried workers are exempt. The Federal government also has specific rules around pay that have nothing to do with the FLSA and is not applicable to the majority of the U.S. workforce.

I disagree. To say that anyone, or even most people, who is paid a salary is not entitled to overtime is spreading misinformation. And FLSA is applicable to the federal workforce.

No one said that Feds are not covered by the FLSA. The Feds have regulations above and beyond the FLSA. The majority of the U.S. Workforce does not work for the Federal government so what they offer doesn't apply to the majority of American workers (e.g. Public sector workers can revive comp time in lieu of overtime. Private sector workers cannot).

Since one of the requirements to be exempt is to be paid on a salaried basis, it is accurate to think the majority of workers that are salaried are exempt from overtime. That does not mean that ALL salaried workers are exempt.

This makes no sense. Literally, it is logically incoherent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are salaried, then you are exempt from federal overtime laws (flsa).
Now, if you are not appropriately a salaried employee, that's another question.

This is wholly inaccurate. Many many many salaried employees (including lots of federal employees) are covered by FLSA and entitled to overtime pay.

You're splitting hairs. The PP was probably using salaried in lieu of exempt versus non-exempt. Yes, there can be salaried non-exempt workers but the vast majority of salaried workers are exempt. The Federal government also has specific rules around pay that have nothing to do with the FLSA and is not applicable to the majority of the U.S. workforce.

I disagree. To say that anyone, or even most people, who is paid a salary is not entitled to overtime is spreading misinformation. And FLSA is applicable to the federal workforce.

No one said that Feds are not covered by the FLSA. The Feds have regulations above and beyond the FLSA. The majority of the U.S. Workforce does not work for the Federal government so what they offer doesn't apply to the majority of American workers (e.g. Public sector workers can revive comp time in lieu of overtime. Private sector workers cannot).

Since one of the requirements to be exempt is to be paid on a salaried basis, it is accurate to think the majority of workers that are salaried are exempt from overtime. That does not mean that ALL salaried workers are exempt.

My point in referencing federal employees was to demonstrate that a large workforce of salaried employees, one that is particularly relevant to DCUM, is entitled to overtime. Whether they are entitled to additional things is irrelevant.

I don't even know where to begin with your second point. I would bet that most salaried employees are nonexempt. Meeting one of several requirements means nothing.

[Anonymous]

Can't speak for all of Europe, but in the Netherlands employers generally don't want you working much overtime (if any). If you are working overtime on a regular basis and clocking long hours, people will actually think that you are incompetent and/or have poor time management skills.

[Anonymous]

Federal workers are often entitled to pay or comp time under Title 5 even if they are FLSA exempt. At our agency, every one GS 11 or above seems to be classified by HR as FLSA exempt. You cannot be paid more than GS15 step 10 for the year, salary plus OT.