Did the Takoma MS magnet got MORE white this year?

[Anonymous]

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Do you believe that a man and woman can choose to have a baby or not? And then turn around and choose to raise it or not?

This is the Maryland Public Schools forum. We are talking about MCPS educating children/children being educated in MCPS. Not about people choosing whether or not to have or raise babies. If you want to talk about that, post on one of the parenting fora.

You can't really separate parenting and school regarding education. Parental responsibility plays a key role in their kids education. Parents don't have to be rich or even highly educated but they have to care about their kids education, they have to a good role model to work hard, and to be responsible.

Are you saying that if kids pick the wrong parents, there's nothing MCPS can do?

Or that the whole "bottom half" of the MCPS student body (as a previous poster referred to them) have parents who don't care about their kids' education, don't work hard, and aren't responsible?

Before the "kids pick the parents" the woman and man decided to born a baby. The implication is they both would raise, nurture and take care of that child until it was grown and self sufficient. Not much the gov't can do except council housing, food stamps, free HC and free schooling and that doesn't seem to be getting many out of the cycle.

Ok. And what if they don't?

And again, MCPS is not involved in the decisions of women and men to born a baby. MCPS is involved in the education of children, however they were born.

In that case, MCPS should take some of the parental responsibility, not just throwing resource on those kids.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading this I'm convinced the best way to close the achievement gap isn't through educational reform but by requiring parenting classes for parents of low performing students.

What would you "teach" those parents?

Lesson 1) Be born in the United States as a native English speaker

Lesson 2) Have more money

Lesson 3) Have more time

Lesson 4) ...........?

Just hand out free copies of Amy Chua's parenting guide. I've heard it's really effective.

Great idea! I think MCPS can definitely afford this.

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Anonymous wrote:since when has illegal immigration been the global thing to do in this day and age?

Seems pretty cultural for uneducated central americans.

was the achievement gap created by illegal immigrant children, or have we always had an achievement gap? How do you explain the achievement gaps in places where they have very little immigrant children?

stay on task.

Comment 1 was about how culturally acceptable and desirable some Central American cultures view illegally immigrating to America. I'd agree with that claim.

Comment 2 tries to ask something about the academic achievement gap among illegal aliens and academic achievement gaps in general. Unclear what PP is asking. In general I'd say academic achievement gaps are due to parenting, values and culture.

take your own advice - what is culturally acceptable in terms of whether they feel it's ok to break immigration rules has zero to do with the achievement gap insofar as there is an achievement irrespective of illegal immigration.

#2 as stated, there are achievement gaps everywhere in the US, even in places where there are very few to no illegal immigrant children.

So again, heed your own advice and keep the illegal immigration out this debate. The politics forum is ---> that way.

[Anonymous]

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In that case, MCPS should take some of the parental responsibility, not just throwing resource on those kids.

What would that entail, specifically?

Also, does MCPS throw resources on your kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:since when has illegal immigration been the global thing to do in this day and age?

Seems pretty cultural for uneducated central americans.

was the achievement gap created by illegal immigrant children, or have we always had an achievement gap? How do you explain the achievement gaps in places where they have very little immigrant children?

stay on task.

Comment 1 was about how culturally acceptable and desirable some Central American cultures view illegally immigrating to America. I'd agree with that claim.

Comment 2 tries to ask something about the academic achievement gap among illegal aliens and academic achievement gaps in general. Unclear what PP is asking. In general I'd say academic achievement gaps are due to parenting, values and culture.

take your own advice - what is culturally acceptable in terms of whether they feel it's ok to break immigration rules has zero to do with the achievement gap insofar as there is an achievement irrespective of illegal immigration.

#2 as stated, there are achievement gaps everywhere in the US, even in places where there are very few to no illegal immigrant children.

So again, heed your own advice and keep the illegal immigration out this debate. The politics forum is ---> that way.

PPl can't follow what you're talking about since you reported the original post citing CULTURE - not race or SES - as a driver of achievement gaps.

[Anonymous]

There are achievement gaps in every country on earth.

Also, this country’s greatest achievement gap is between poor black kids and everyone else, not illegal immigrants and everyone else.

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Well said. It's sad that the only program MCPS has that can challenge the top-tier private schools (it's test-in magnet program) is being changed due to political correctness and jealousy. I can just picture the conversation

Administrator #1: "Wow, look at those SAT scores over there at Blair. It's really amazing isn't it? We need to send out a press release!"
Administrator #2: "Definitely! Hold on a second, all these names of Intel Scholars sound Asian. Let me see the full list of Magnet students. All these names sound Asian and White."
Administrator #1: "Yea, they've been gaming the system for years. Sending their kids to tutors, supplementing education, and actually filling out the application"
Administrator #2: "Oh no, we can't have that! That isn't fair"
Administrator #1: "I know. We send parents information and leave phone mail message constantly in both English and Spanish but Hispanics and African Americans don't apply"
Administrator #2: "It sounds like we need try and make the application easier."
Administrator #1: "I've got a better idea! Lets get rid of the application all together. Test everyone."
Administrator #2: "Brilliant! But what about the fact that Black and Hispanics test lower across the board on all standardized tests, how do we overcome that?"
Administrator #1: "We should just set up quotas by race."
Administrator #2: "I wish. They passed a stupid law against quotas."
Administrator #1: "Let's think, how can we get around the law. Most Whites and Asians like to live in the same snobby rich areas, right?"
Administrator #2: "Right... God I hate those Whites and Asians!"
Administrator #1: "Then lets say that if you live in an area where your home school has other really smart kids then you get penalized in the admissions process."
Administrator #2: "Great Idea! That way, we can say that we aren't giving preference to race, we can disguise it as preference by opportunity."
Administrator #1: "Wait, but won't that make the SAT scores at Blair go down? Won't that make us look bad?"
Administrator #2: "Of course it will but we are doing it for the greater good. Plus, we work for the Government. What are they going to do fire us?
Administrator #1: "Ha ha ha ha ha ha!"
Administrator #2: "Ha ha ha ha he he ha ha!"

This is satire at it's best and, unfortunately, it's probably close to how the decision was actually made. It's certainly not racist, inflammatory yes, but that's not unusual for satire.

Can't tell, is this a spoof of the racist Asian persecution complex? Or is it just another racist Asian self own?

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looks like a spoof on MCPS central office, which is eternally noble.

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It doesn't seem like they were trying to be funny even though it is completely ridiculous.

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I laughed, that's hasty pudding material right there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else take a look at the numbers on the slides from the AEI meeting? It looks like the pool of students tested was 31% white. Of those invited to Takoma, 39% were white. That compares to 35% white in 2017. How did we just spend millions of dollars on trying to create more diversity and end up with this? Am I missing something?

I don't know what you mean by did a school get more "white" than last year.

According to many reports, MCPS is getting less white do to three main factors: White flight, Rapid increase in ESOL/URMs, and Whites in MoCo not attending MCPS.

Here's a good 2013 take on it, I'd be curious if the attendance gap is widening, i.e. more whites in MoCo not attending MCPS. The % of white kids living in MoCo and attending MCPS been decreasing the last 10+ years.

https://ggwash.org/view/31601/de-facto-segregation-threatens-montgomery-public-schools

[Anonymous]

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I don't know what you mean by did a school get more "white" than last year.

According to many reports, MCPS is getting less white do to three main factors: White flight, Rapid increase in ESOL/URMs, and Whites in MoCo not attending MCPS.

Here's a good 2013 take on it, I'd be curious if the attendance gap is widening, i.e. more whites in MoCo not attending MCPS. The % of white kids living in MoCo and attending MCPS been decreasing the last 10+ years.

https://ggwash.org/view/31601/de-facto-segregation-threatens-montgomery-public-schools

The percentage of kids in Montgomery County who are white has also been decreasing. Because math. When people who are not white move in, the percentage of people who are white decreases.

[Anonymous]

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I don't know what you mean by did a school get more "white" than last year.

According to many reports, MCPS is getting less white do to three main factors: White flight, Rapid increase in ESOL/URMs, and Whites in MoCo not attending MCPS.

Here's a good 2013 take on it, I'd be curious if the attendance gap is widening, i.e. more whites in MoCo not attending MCPS. The % of white kids living in MoCo and attending MCPS been decreasing the last 10+ years.

https://ggwash.org/view/31601/de-facto-segregation-threatens-montgomery-public-schools

The percentage of kids in Montgomery County who are white has also been decreasing. Because math. When people who are not white move in, the percentage of people who are white decreases.

With that said, the percentage of highly educated white people zoned for TPMS seems to be increasing. Given that 25 seats are held for in-bounds kids each year, I don't think it should be particularly surprising that there are white children who were selected for the magnet. The swing this year of white kids (the whole reason for this thread) was 2 kids. Which could be anything - cohort, kids moving in-bounds, etc.

[Anonymous]

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I don't know what you mean by did a school get more "white" than last year.

According to many reports, MCPS is getting less white do to three main factors: White flight, Rapid increase in ESOL/URMs, and Whites in MoCo not attending MCPS.

Here's a good 2013 take on it, I'd be curious if the attendance gap is widening, i.e. more whites in MoCo not attending MCPS. The % of white kids living in MoCo and attending MCPS been decreasing the last 10+ years.

https://ggwash.org/view/31601/de-facto-segregation-threatens-montgomery-public-schools

The percentage of kids in Montgomery County who are white has also been decreasing. Because math. When people who are not white move in, the percentage of people who are white decreases.

We know that.

The bar chart that is more insightful is the one that shows MCPS penetration trends; namely showing that whites living in all catchment areas in MoCo are increasingly not attending MCPS.

From 2000 to 2011:
In top HS areas: went from 68% of whites attending MCPS to 57% whilst being 76% of the catchment area.
In aggregate: went from 50% of whites attending MCPS to 35% whilst falling only from 60% of pop to 55% of pop.
In the NE and DCC consortiums: MCPS attendees dropped at 3x the rate as the drop of whites in that catchment area.

[Anonymous]

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We know that.

The bar chart that is more insightful is the one that shows MCPS penetration trends; namely showing that whites living in all catchment areas in MoCo are increasingly not attending MCPS.

From 2000 to 2011:
In top HS areas: went from 68% of whites attending MCPS to 57% whilst being 76% of the catchment area.
In aggregate: went from 50% of whites attending MCPS to 35% whilst falling only from 60% of pop to 55% of pop.
In the NE and DCC consortiums: MCPS attendees dropped at 3x the rate as the drop of whites in that catchment area.

No, it doesn't show that.

The sentence you're interested in is "Between 2000 and 2011, the percentage of teenagers living in Montgomery County who were white fell from 60% to 54%, while the proportion of white students in MCPS high schools fell from about 50% to 33%." Or, better stated: in 2000, 60% of Montgomery County teenagers were white and 50% of MCPS high school students were white, compared, to 2011, when 54% of Montgomery County teenagers were white and 33% of MCPS high school students were white.

We don't know what the author was counting when he counted "Montgomery County teenagers", given that "teenager" and "high school student" are not synonyms.

We also don't know what happened between 2010-2011 and 2016-2017.

And, if white students are now attending private schools in large numbers, what private schools are they attending? Have the private schools attended by white students in the area increased the number of seats?

And then there's the further question of, so what?