Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond

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Interesting how Cheney drew out the now-contentious portion of the story from the witness, asking even if they later recanted to her or changed the story, and the witness didn't just say "no" but more like "no they never recanted or changed the story" in an almost deliberate way

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Anonymous wrote:And, the plot thickens......

So that guy is going to be on Fox tomorrow saying she was lying and then go before the committee and swear to it? If he comes out publicly, the committee will have to swear him and hear him.

But if he doesn’t…. If it’s just “I know a guy who knows a guy who said she was lying…” then I’m believing the witness today.

If the committee won't allow him to testify, the writing is on the wall. Ten bucks they say something like "he testified or will testify in private". No WAY they are allowing the American people to hear it.

The only person who can claim she is lying is Tony Ornato. The person who told her the story. I'd love for them to ask him some questions and see his communications.

The American people can hear it now. All he has to do is go on Fox News and say she’s lying. There is nothing illegal or keeping him from going public.

Does Fox News swear people in?

God, no! But it would give him a platform and then the committee would absolutely call him.

That’s what an honest man would do. Scream from every podium until he could give sworn testimony. Wouldn’t you?

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What about the Jan 5th meeting? When is the committee get to that?

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It was a very damning day for trump. There’s no getting around it, guys.

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Anonymous wrote:so basically POTUS is a toddler. jeez. this is insane.

Yeah, that behavior is not admirable but it's not impeachable or criminal. Wasn't LBJ as badly behaved or worse?

The more important parts of her testimony were how Meadows and Trump knew everything and wanted violence.

He assaulted his security detail. That is a crime.

Yeah. Why isn't he charged with assault? Seems pretty cut and dried.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not hearing the reason that this testimony rated an emergency meeting. Maybe something will develop. I wonder what threats she faced? Will she be safer now? From all the different clothing changes she has testified to the committee many times. God speed.

The President and his Chief of State were co-conspirators in the attack on the Capitol. Is that enough for you?

Honestly, what else is there? What would people consider a bombshell?

Trump trying to grab the steering wheel and attacking his security chief to go to the Capitol? Is that bombshelly enough?

Did she witness it or is it hearsay? Sorry to sound like I'm defending him, but this isn't a bombshell. Why was this an emergency meeting?

It’s not hearsay.

Did she see it? I did not hear the testimony. I can't imagine Meadow's assistant was riding with the ex-president. If she did not personally witness it, it is hearsay. I do hope she saw it!

This isn't a trial. It's a political process. But prosecutors are listening....

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Anonymous wrote:And, the plot thickens......

So that guy is going to be on Fox tomorrow saying she was lying and then go before the committee and swear to it? If he comes out publicly, the committee will have to swear him and hear him.

But if he doesn’t…. If it’s just “I know a guy who knows a guy who said she was lying…” then I’m believing the witness today.

If the committee won't allow him to testify, the writing is on the wall. Ten bucks they say something like "he testified or will testify in private". No WAY they are allowing the American people to hear it.

The only person who can claim she is lying is Tony Ornato. The person who told her the story. I'd love for them to ask him some questions and see his communications.

The American people can hear it now. All he has to do is go on Fox News and say she’s lying. There is nothing illegal or keeping him from going public.

Does Fox News swear people in?

God, no! But it would give him a platform and then the committee would absolutely call him.

That’s what an honest man would do. Scream from every podium until he could give sworn testimony. Wouldn’t you?

You think the committee needs this guy to go on Fox News before knowing who he is? Seriously?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I NEVER EVER thought I say this. Liz Chaney deserves to be President…whether you agree or disagree with her beliefs she is by far the most honorable member of our govt BY FAR. Dems and Repubs rally around messages vs governing in principle…she had everything to loose and STILL did the ri GB thing. She is the only reason why all this is getting out

I disagree with her on many, many things, but she has earned my respect and possibly my vote if she runs for POTUS. She is a person of integrity, and that's very rare in the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:Other bombshells:

1. Trump KNEW some of the "peaceful protesters" were carrying weapons of different kinds, and

2. He asked for the metal detectors that are part of the security system protecting the Capitol and that screen for weapons to be removed!

WTF?

Important to note that he said the metal detectors could come down because the people with weapons weren't going to hurt HIM.

I have already said this in the thread, but it’s clear that the GOP knew what they were planning, but they thought it would go faster. All the non-fascist Capitol Police who repelled the insurrectionists did their part to ensure the continued existence of the GOP.

He is a sociopath. He has no sense of conscience. He was okay with weapons being brought into the Capitol which could injure or kill lawmakers, LEOs, staff, etc.--presumably even people on his side of the aisle. In his mind, everything and everyone exists to be in service to him--he is not capable of caring about anyone outside of himself.

How can anyone believe that this person cares about the US and the American people? How can anyone even consider putting control of this nation back in his hands?

Yes, this was the most horrifying quote today. He is an empty shell, not a human being. You have to be human to care that your actions will lead to the death of others. He was perfectly happy to let people with assault weapons accompany him to the Capitol and kill anyone they please as long as it's not him.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, can we talk again about Trump GRABBING THE STEERING WHEEL LIKE A DERANGED TODDLER?

My colleague and I were just trying to imagine the logistics of this portly man trying to get through the gap in the front seats to do this.

It's a large car.

Even in a big car, imagine the crazy as this dude tries to launch himself at the steering wheel like a big baby? Please let it come out that there are cameras in those cars and we can see this.

No cams. The best you'll get is confirmation from the secret service, but I don't think they've ever testified against the people they are tasked to protect. So I believe indirect evidence is all you'll get, from people who heard it directly from the people in the car.

Agents testified against President Clinton. He had a blow job outside of his marriage. Gasp. It's a wonder Russia didn't take over then.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, can we talk again about Trump GRABBING THE STEERING WHEEL LIKE A DERANGED TODDLER?

My colleague and I were just trying to imagine the logistics of this portly man trying to get through the gap in the front seats to do this.

It's a large car.

Even in a big car, imagine the crazy as this dude tries to launch himself at the steering wheel like a big baby? Please let it come out that there are cameras in those cars and we can see this.

No cams. The best you'll get is confirmation from the secret service, but I don't think they've ever testified against the people they are tasked to protect. So I believe indirect evidence is all you'll get, from people who heard it directly from the people in the car.

Agents testified against President Clinton. He had a blow job outside of his marriage. Gasp. It's a wonder Russia didn't take over then.

I was posting from memory but three agents testified against Clinton. "Three Secret Service Agents Testify - The Washington Post"
https://www.washingtonpost.com › wp-srv › politics › ...


..."Secret Service personnel have been instructed to return Tuesday for more testimony about what they know of President Clinton's dealings with Monica S..."

..."Secret Service personnel have been instructed to return Tuesday for more testimony about what they know of President Clinton's dealings with Monica..."

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Anonymous wrote:And, the plot thickens......

So that guy is going to be on Fox tomorrow saying she was lying and then go before the committee and swear to it? If he comes out publicly, the committee will have to swear him and hear him.

But if he doesn’t…. If it’s just “I know a guy who knows a guy who said she was lying…” then I’m believing the witness today.

If the committee won't allow him to testify, the writing is on the wall. Ten bucks they say something like "he testified or will testify in private". No WAY they are allowing the American people to hear it.

The only person who can claim she is lying is Tony Ornato. The person who told her the story. I'd love for them to ask him some questions and see his communications.

The American people can hear it now. All he has to do is go on Fox News and say she’s lying. There is nothing illegal or keeping him from going public.

Does Fox News swear people in?

God, no! But it would give him a platform and then the committee would absolutely call him.

That’s what an honest man would do. Scream from every podium until he could give sworn testimony. Wouldn’t you?

You think the committee needs this guy to go on Fox News before knowing who he is? Seriously?

She gave sworn testimony today. Sorry, but by far that outranks a contradiction from some "unnamed source" who isn't under oath. This "unnamed source" needs to be identified and sworn in if anyone is to take him seriously at this point.

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Alyssa Farah is calling Ornato a liar.

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Anonymous wrote:Engel did speak to the committee, per this story from a couple weeks ago:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

And said he and Trump disagreed on whether they should go to the Capitol after the speech.

Seems unlikely the committee would have had her tell that crazy-sounding tale if they didn't have corroboration from some other source.

He's allowed to go to the Capitol after a speech

He's not allowed to lead a violent mob to try to overthrow the government, genius.
At the time he was trying to go to the Capitol, the violent Trump mob had breached the Capitol.

That's speculation. He very well could have wanted to go to witness things firsthand and see if he could calm it down.

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Anonymous wrote:I NEVER EVER thought I say this. Liz Chaney deserves to be President…whether you agree or disagree with her beliefs she is by far the most honorable member of our govt BY FAR. Dems and Repubs rally around messages vs governing in principle…she had everything to loose and STILL did the ri GB thing. She is the only reason why all this is getting out

I disagree with her on many, many things, but she has earned my respect and possibly my vote if she runs for POTUS. She is a person of integrity, and that's very rare in the GOP.

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