We need homes. A lot of homes. Not just affordable, but also middle-income homes.

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Exactly. Then they cover it up by advocating for affordable housing where they deem appropriate. So virtuous! So fake!

Honestly it comes across like they think they are too good to live next to African Americans or poor people.

Whom do the "Go live in Ward 8, over there!" people think they're too good to live next to?

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Exactly. Then they cover it up by advocating for affordable housing where they deem appropriate. So virtuous! So fake!

Honestly it comes across like they think they are too good to live next to African Americans or poor people.

Whom do the "Go live in Ward 8, over there!" people think they're too good to live next to?

I live in Ward 3 and welcome anyone to live next to me. They will have to pay for it though. That’s how it works. For everyone.

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Exactly. Then they cover it up by advocating for affordable housing where they deem appropriate. So virtuous! So fake!

Honestly it comes across like they think they are too good to live next to African Americans or poor people.

Whom do the "Go live in Ward 8, over there!" people think they're too good to live next to?

I live in Ward 3 and welcome anyone to live next to me. They will have to pay for it though. That’s how it works. For everyone.

Ah, you think you're too good to live next to people who have less money.

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Why would you increase housing in any location where the current density exceeds current infrastructure, like school capacity, city services, etc.?

Because it's better than increasing housing in locations where there currently isn't any infrastructure (like school capacity, city services, etc.) at all.

DP. For whom is it better? Infrastructure can be built or improved upon. Why give up on less dense communities like that? Is it because they are poorer? Or is it race related?

Please tell the "why would you increase housing in any location where the current density exceeds current infrastructure, like school capacity, city services, etc.?" PP that infrastructure can be improved upon.

Why do you only want infrastructure improved in Ward 3? Because that’s kind of what it sounds like.

Why don't you want infrastructure improved in Ward 3?

DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

100%!!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't help it. As much as I support affordable housing. the people pushing for upzoning don't make any sense. There are 1,000 condos for sale in DC for less than $750,000. Adding another floor or two on current housing stock is not going to solve your problem. Face it.

There are 2 groups who want upzoning: those who can't afford million dollar homes in Ward 3, but want to live there and refuse to look elsewhere. And those small time developers who are interested in making easy money by turning a SFH into a duplex or something.

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Why would you increase housing in any location where the current density exceeds current infrastructure, like school capacity, city services, etc.?

Because it's better than increasing housing in locations where there currently isn't any infrastructure (like school capacity, city services, etc.) at all.

Then, we need to improve the infrastructure in areas of the city where it is needed. Seemingly, progressives should favor spending money in lower income areas, so as to improve the quality of their lives.

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Why would you increase housing in any location where the current density exceeds current infrastructure, like school capacity, city services, etc.?

Because it's better than increasing housing in locations where there currently isn't any infrastructure (like school capacity, city services, etc.) at all.

Then, we need to improve the infrastructure in areas of the city where it is needed. Seemingly, progressives should favor spending money in lower income areas, so as to improve the quality of their lives.

Yes, infrastructure should be improved everywhere in the city to support the increased supply of housing.

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Exactly. Then they cover it up by advocating for affordable housing where they deem appropriate. So virtuous! So fake!

Honestly it comes across like they think they are too good to live next to African Americans or poor people.

Whom do the "Go live in Ward 8, over there!" people think they're too good to live next to?

I live in Ward 3 and welcome anyone to live next to me. They will have to pay for it though. That’s how it works. For everyone.

Ah, you think you're too good to live next to people who have less money.

Not at all. If they for example receive an inheritance or win the lottery, I welcome them next door!

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DC is like Manhattan in this way - everyone desires Park Ave with view. But are priced out. But in NYC -they find other areas in the city and and demand for amenities grows as people put time, money and energy into building a community they value.

What is different - here people think they deserve to live in a multimillion dollar home in Ward 3 - and darn it if they cannot - they want affordable housing and to build condos on green space in Ward 3.

Why shouldn't there be more housing in Ward 3, if there's demand for more housing?

What’s wrong with Ward 8? Come on. I want to hear you say it. It’s affordable for most of the white and/or professional class that claims they’re progressives, cherish diversity, and say schools don’t matter. SFHs too. Oh? You you’d rather move further to RFK and rebrand it “Hill East” than cross the river?

+1. The upzoning advocates seem to have strong preferences as to who they’re willing to have as neighbors.

Exactly. Then they cover it up by advocating for affordable housing where they deem appropriate. So virtuous! So fake!

Honestly it comes across like they think they are too good to live next to African Americans or poor people.

Whom do the "Go live in Ward 8, over there!" people think they're too good to live next to?

The unfortunate fact of life, which is at the center of this debate and everyone knows but no one says, is that poverty is associated with a number of behaviors that people will pay a premium to avoid. (the nouveau riche do too, but that’s another story)

So on the one hand, you have people that have already paid that premium trying to preserve their “investment” and on the other hand you have people that cannot afford to pay the premium who think it’s unfair.

That’s it, that’s the whole story.

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DP. Not everyone can live where they want to live. That will never change in a capitalist society. My dream would be to live in a beachfront mansion with an infinity pool in Monterey, but I don’t have the money to do that. Too bad so sad for me. That’s life.

But more people could live in nice/convenient areas if there were more housing in those nice/convenient areas for more people to live in.

This is why these people drive me nuts. The ideology on the one hand is anti-capitalists. But on the other hand a foundational principle is this ridiculous devotion to a simplistic understanding of economics.

Drives me nuts.

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The unfortunate fact of life, which is at the center of this debate and everyone knows but no one says, is that poverty is associated with a number of behaviors that people will pay a premium to avoid. (the nouveau riche do too, but that’s another story)

So on the one hand, you have people that have already paid that premium trying to preserve their “investment” and on the other hand you have people that cannot afford to pay the premium who think it’s unfair.

That’s it, that’s the whole story.

It's clearly not the whole story, given opponents' insistence that the build-more-housing people are all younger white college graduates who are just trying to get something they don't deserve. Or is that the kind of "poverty associated with a number of behaviors" you were talking about?

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The unfortunate fact of life, which is at the center of this debate and everyone knows but no one says, is that poverty is associated with a number of behaviors that people will pay a premium to avoid. (the nouveau riche do too, but that’s another story)

So on the one hand, you have people that have already paid that premium trying to preserve their “investment” and on the other hand you have people that cannot afford to pay the premium who think it’s unfair.

That’s it, that’s the whole story.

It's clearly not the whole story, given opponents' insistence that the build-more-housing people are all younger white college graduates who are just trying to get something they don't deserve. Or is that the kind of "poverty associated with a number of behaviors" you were talking about?

DP. It’s not about “deserve.” That has nothing to do with it. I haven’t seen any poster use that kind of language.

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The unfortunate fact of life, which is at the center of this debate and everyone knows but no one says, is that poverty is associated with a number of behaviors that people will pay a premium to avoid. (the nouveau riche do too, but that’s another story)

So on the one hand, you have people that have already paid that premium trying to preserve their “investment” and on the other hand you have people that cannot afford to pay the premium who think it’s unfair.

That’s it, that’s the whole story.

It's clearly not the whole story, given opponents' insistence that the build-more-housing people are all younger white college graduates who are just trying to get something they don't deserve. Or is that the kind of "poverty associated with a number of behaviors" you were talking about?

DP. It’s not about “deserve.” That has nothing to do with it. I haven’t seen any poster use that kind of language.

Fine, then "can't afford," does that make it better? It doesn't change the point.

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The unfortunate fact of life, which is at the center of this debate and everyone knows but no one says, is that poverty is associated with a number of behaviors that people will pay a premium to avoid. (the nouveau riche do too, but that’s another story)

So on the one hand, you have people that have already paid that premium trying to preserve their “investment” and on the other hand you have people that cannot afford to pay the premium who think it’s unfair.

That’s it, that’s the whole story.

It's clearly not the whole story, given opponents' insistence that the build-more-housing people are all younger white college graduates who are just trying to get something they don't deserve. Or is that the kind of "poverty associated with a number of behaviors" you were talking about?

DP. It’s not about “deserve.” That has nothing to do with it. I haven’t seen any poster use that kind of language.

Fine, then "can't afford," does that make it better? It doesn't change the point.

It does. I don’t think Bezos “deserves” billions more dollars than me. But he nevertheless has made billions more dollars than me and thus has way more purchasing power. That’s just the way it goes. I don’t have the money to buy Bezos’ DC house or his neighbors’ for that matter. So I bought somewhere I could afford and try to contribute to my neighborhood and community and make them the best they can be. That’s what the upzoning advocates need to do too. If they do think they “deserve” to live in certain neighborhoods, they need to get over that silly notion ASAP.

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The unfortunate fact of life, which is at the center of this debate and everyone knows but no one says, is that poverty is associated with a number of behaviors that people will pay a premium to avoid. (the nouveau riche do too, but that’s another story)

So on the one hand, you have people that have already paid that premium trying to preserve their “investment” and on the other hand you have people that cannot afford to pay the premium who think it’s unfair.

That’s it, that’s the whole story.

It's clearly not the whole story, given opponents' insistence that the build-more-housing people are all younger white college graduates who are just trying to get something they don't deserve. Or is that the kind of "poverty associated with a number of behaviors" you were talking about?

DP. It’s not about “deserve.” That has nothing to do with it. I haven’t seen any poster use that kind of language.

Fine, then "can't afford," does that make it better? It doesn't change the point.

It does. I don’t think Bezos “deserves” billions more dollars than me. But he nevertheless has made billions more dollars than me and thus has way more purchasing power. That’s just the way it goes. I don’t have the money to buy Bezos’ DC house or his neighbors’ for that matter. So I bought somewhere I could afford and try to contribute to my neighborhood and community and make them the best they can be. That’s what the upzoning advocates need to do too. If they do think they “deserve” to live in certain neighborhoods, they need to get over that silly notion ASAP.

Nobody is talking about buying Jeff Bezos's house. Nobody is talking about making you sell your specific house in Ward 3 (assuming you own a house in Ward 3) for less. The point is adding housing in Ward 3 so that more people can live in Ward 3. Your argument boils down: the only people who should get to live in Ward 3 are people who have a lot of money.

And then to also say that people who want to add housing in Ward 3 simply don't want to live in areas with poor people? Major cognitive dissonance.