Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

[Anonymous]

I draw up all my test materials on the dining room table napkin and it has worked marvelously for all my children over the last 15 years. For all subjects, exams, tests and contests. You really do not have to purchase anything. Just use your head. I know your warped mind would declare me the biggest cheat. If you do, I am grateful for I would have executed my parental duties in grand fashion. Thanks for the endorsement.

[Anonymous]

What is so interesting about an IP address?
Please enlighten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Hmmm, it sure would be interesting to see the IP addresses of the posts about "Americans and cultures."

They did not originate from this poster and never would.

And it is certainly unacceptable to make a lot of posts to make it look as though another poster is somehow against a particular culture or group of people. Completely unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

Are you communicating with yourself again?

[Anonymous]

And that is why some on this forum perversely opine that Asians don't (or shouldn't) "count" as minorities for the purpose of any affirmative action points.

Your lens on the history of education in America is rather short-sighted. For most of the last 3 centuries, Caucasians have received the affirmative action points to the explicit exclusion of others. I disagree with your position.

[Anonymous]

So who's complaining about Asians?
Whites? Blacks? Latinos?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The sad commentary is that it comes back to this:

FCPS staff members chose to administer the custom form of the CogAT this year after it came to our attention that some students, in previous years, had prepared for the CogAT using the exact form of the CogAT being administered in FCPS.

Parents may read this statement and question the acceptability or worth of CogAT test materials.

No affirmative action involved here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So who's complaining about Asians?
Whites? Blacks? Latinos?

Or just some parents with borderline kids who didn't make AAP.

[Anonymous]

In a fit of paroxysmal emotional purging the hidden plain truth emerges. The entitled culture feels vulnerable and threatened by the new culture defined by preparation and hard work.

In every zip code in America the children of recent immigrants are outperforming children of the entitled culture. This has created an ever expanding performance and acheivement gap in education as the entitled culture witnesses in every zip code these children taking their self anointed spots in every AAP, gifted program, IB, AP and Honors program in the land.

This is the root cause of this furor. And the entitled culture will go to any unethical length to disrupt this trend -- including voter fraud and suppression.

For the Love of God! Re-read the title of this thread and stop! Stop trying to throw dust in the air to confuse!!! It is the CogAT. It is scamming the CogAT that we are talking about...

Sorry, I was just trying to help the poster who has been reposting this same, "stop muddying the waters" and "throwing dust in the air" messages after every 5 or 6 responses in this thread for the last 10 page or so...

[Anonymous]

Aaaaagh, what a cartharsis.

[Anonymous]

It's catharsis. Check your spelling.

[Anonymous]

Why do I keep reading the title of this thread as "scamming the GOAT?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that teacher observation should be a minimal part of this--although it should be included.

As a teacher in a different system, I always liked looking at the results of standardized tests. When I taught a child who did well in class, but did poorly on a test, I usually figured that the child tested poorly.
However, when a child who was not performing well in class scored high on a test, it was a red flag to me that I needed to do something different.

I do think the standardized tests are good indicators. It bothers me that parents are sending first graders to prep for them. This really does invalidate the tests. We always gave some kind of practice test in the classroom so the kids would understand and be comfortable with the testing procedure. But prepping for the CogAt?--this is just wrong.

One problem I have with the AAP program is that once kids get in it, they are safe. If FCPS is aware that kids are prepping, then they should carefully reevaluate the students every year.

Teacher, well said! My DC was slow in reading but received a 99th% score on NNAT. His second grade teacher did a beautiful job motivating him and now he is doing very well in almost all subject areas. Some teachers really use the test well and recognizing the strength of the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that teacher observation should be a minimal part of this--although it should be included.

As a teacher in a different system, I always liked looking at the results of standardized tests. When I taught a child who did well in class, but did poorly on a test, I usually figured that the child tested poorly.
However, when a child who was not performing well in class scored high on a test, it was a red flag to me that I needed to do something different.

I do think the standardized tests are good indicators. It bothers me that parents are sending first graders to prep for them. This really does invalidate the tests. We always gave some kind of practice test in the classroom so the kids would understand and be comfortable with the testing procedure. But prepping for the CogAt?--this is just wrong.

One problem I have with the AAP program is that once kids get in it, they are safe. If FCPS is aware that kids are prepping, then they should carefully reevaluate the students every year.

Teacher, well said! My DC was slow in reading but received a 99th% score on NNAT. His second grade teacher did a beautiful job motivating him and now he is doing very well in almost all subject areas. Some teachers really use the test well and recognizing the strength of the kids.

Yes, these tests can certainly be useful in ascertaining learning needs. It makes such a difference when children are in a classroom best suited for their needs.

[Anonymous]

All children should have continual access to a challenging curriculum and education and not condemned to a non challenging and second rate educational tract on the basis of a test in one point in time--particularly at the start of the formal journey.

The developing young brain,mind, and intelligence is plastic and changing and should not be pigeon-holed into arbitrary tracts based on worthless tests with poor predictive value.

We are talking about fertile and rapidly developing brains/minds not the demented old farts that dominate the discussion here.