GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance

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Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see how far the GA / MLS Next partnership goes.

Hopefully NWSL will get onboard and GA can rename itself to NWSL Next.

GA becoming NWSLNext? You VAR, TSJ, SYC parents are funny.

Why else would the be partnering with MLS Next. Get a clue.

They partnered 5 years ago. GA has crumbled in that time.

How do you define “crumbled”? GA has grown the number of clubs significantly over those 5 years. More clubs means more revenues. More clubs means bigger showcases, more sponsors, more teams participating, and again more revenues. By any objective measure used to evaluate businesses (because it is in fact a business), GA is most certainly not crumbling but expanding.

The level of clubs and play in the GA have eroded over the last 5 years of partnership with MLSN.

Only weird soccer dads like you use that as a metric. The only reason GA might care about level of clubs would be if it led to less sponsors or clubs, which has not been the case in fact the opposite is happening. There is no evidence that club quality has any effect on their business.

I think lots of people care about the level of play and clubs in GA, ECNL, E64, ECNL-rl, esp, etc. it’s a pretty silly assumption to assume people don’t. Especially all of these MLSNext dads.

Oh, I agree lots of people care about GA level of play. Mostly people from other leagues looking to pump themselves up. But in no way does it mean the league is “crumbling”. Not as long as clubs, sponsors, and revenues keep going up. To argue otherwise is like saying a restaurant that is filled with paying customers is crumbling because they aren’t the right sexy celebrity customers.

ECNL girl parent here. I care about GA because o think having a competing league creates business pressures that force ECNL to be responsive to the actual needs of parents and players. STL was a perfect example of a league that is accountable to nobody. A strong GA and a strong MLSN will force better CS and CX from ECNL

Thank you. At least someone in that side has the guts to say the truth.

While STL still drew recruits, there is no way I would be happy to have my kid playing in those conditions.

Specially when the week before those same recruiters were in sunny SoCal.

If you look at ecnls ig during these events, it’s the same thing every time. No innovation, other than the “shoebox” they are doing nothing other than hosting soccer matches.

Some of the recruiters were in SoCal. Not all. Not close to all.

What should ECNL do other than “host soccer matches”? Lol heck of a take.

How is the GA innovating on social media?

The PP said nothing about GA. All they did was criticize ECNL’s stl event and boring social media. YOU took that to mean GA’s event and social media are better. Nobody said that. Why does it always come to a pissing contest with you. GA really does live rent free in your head.

PP mentioned “sunny SoCal”. That was referring to the GA showcase in California. Try and keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see how far the GA / MLS Next partnership goes.

Hopefully NWSL will get onboard and GA can rename itself to NWSL Next.

GA becoming NWSLNext? You VAR, TSJ, SYC parents are funny.

Why else would the be partnering with MLS Next. Get a clue.

They partnered 5 years ago. GA has crumbled in that time.

How do you define “crumbled”? GA has grown the number of clubs significantly over those 5 years. More clubs means more revenues. More clubs means bigger showcases, more sponsors, more teams participating, and again more revenues. By any objective measure used to evaluate businesses (because it is in fact a business), GA is most certainly not crumbling but expanding.

The level of clubs and play in the GA have eroded over the last 5 years of partnership with MLSN.

Only weird soccer dads like you use that as a metric. The only reason GA might care about level of clubs would be if it led to less sponsors or clubs, which has not been the case in fact the opposite is happening. There is no evidence that club quality has any effect on their business.

I think lots of people care about the level of play and clubs in GA, ECNL, E64, ECNL-rl, esp, etc. it’s a pretty silly assumption to assume people don’t. Especially all of these MLSNext dads.

Oh, I agree lots of people care about GA level of play. Mostly people from other leagues looking to pump themselves up. But in no way does it mean the league is “crumbling”. Not as long as clubs, sponsors, and revenues keep going up. To argue otherwise is like saying a restaurant that is filled with paying customers is crumbling because they aren’t the right sexy celebrity customers.

ECNL girl parent here. I care about GA because o think having a competing league creates business pressures that force ECNL to be responsive to the actual needs of parents and players. STL was a perfect example of a league that is accountable to nobody. A strong GA and a strong MLSN will force better CS and CX from ECNL

Thank you. At least someone in that side has the guts to say the truth.

While STL still drew recruits, there is no way I would be happy to have my kid playing in those conditions.

Specially when the week before those same recruiters were in sunny SoCal.

If you look at ecnls ig during these events, it’s the same thing every time. No innovation, other than the “shoebox” they are doing nothing other than hosting soccer matches.

Some of the recruiters were in SoCal. Not all. Not close to all.

What should ECNL do other than “host soccer matches”? Lol heck of a take.

How is the GA innovating on social media?

lol, go to individual teams instagrams and you will see all the top college programs were there. If ecnl had 1100 coaches and GA had 700 who gives a damn. 1100 hundred could be a set of 2-3 coaches per college…

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Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see how far the GA / MLS Next partnership goes.

Hopefully NWSL will get onboard and GA can rename itself to NWSL Next.

GA becoming NWSLNext? You VAR, TSJ, SYC parents are funny.

Why else would the be partnering with MLS Next. Get a clue.

They partnered 5 years ago. GA has crumbled in that time.

How do you define “crumbled”? GA has grown the number of clubs significantly over those 5 years. More clubs means more revenues. More clubs means bigger showcases, more sponsors, more teams participating, and again more revenues. By any objective measure used to evaluate businesses (because it is in fact a business), GA is most certainly not crumbling but expanding.

The level of clubs and play in the GA have eroded over the last 5 years of partnership with MLSN.

Only weird soccer dads like you use that as a metric. The only reason GA might care about level of clubs would be if it led to less sponsors or clubs, which has not been the case in fact the opposite is happening. There is no evidence that club quality has any effect on their business.

I think lots of people care about the level of play and clubs in GA, ECNL, E64, ECNL-rl, esp, etc. it’s a pretty silly assumption to assume people don’t. Especially all of these MLSNext dads.

Oh, I agree lots of people care about GA level of play. Mostly people from other leagues looking to pump themselves up. But in no way does it mean the league is “crumbling”. Not as long as clubs, sponsors, and revenues keep going up. To argue otherwise is like saying a restaurant that is filled with paying customers is crumbling because they aren’t the right sexy celebrity customers.

ECNL girl parent here. I care about GA because o think having a competing league creates business pressures that force ECNL to be responsive to the actual needs of parents and players. STL was a perfect example of a league that is accountable to nobody. A strong GA and a strong MLSN will force better CS and CX from ECNL

Thank you. At least someone in that side has the guts to say the truth.

While STL still drew recruits, there is no way I would be happy to have my kid playing in those conditions.

Specially when the week before those same recruiters were in sunny SoCal.

If you look at ecnls ig during these events, it’s the same thing every time. No innovation, other than the “shoebox” they are doing nothing other than hosting soccer matches.

Some of the recruiters were in SoCal. Not all. Not close to all.

What should ECNL do other than “host soccer matches”? Lol heck of a take.

How is the GA innovating on social media?

Not innovating on social media.

For one, the commissioner of GA makes an appearance at every major showcase. Walks around and interacts with the players.

Adidas has shown up and brought some nice/cool free gear and photo booths to champions cup. Overall, it’s just a great atmosphere.

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Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see how far the GA / MLS Next partnership goes.

Hopefully NWSL will get onboard and GA can rename itself to NWSL Next.

GA becoming NWSLNext? You VAR, TSJ, SYC parents are funny.

Why else would the be partnering with MLS Next. Get a clue.

They partnered 5 years ago. GA has crumbled in that time.

How do you define “crumbled”? GA has grown the number of clubs significantly over those 5 years. More clubs means more revenues. More clubs means bigger showcases, more sponsors, more teams participating, and again more revenues. By any objective measure used to evaluate businesses (because it is in fact a business), GA is most certainly not crumbling but expanding.

The level of clubs and play in the GA have eroded over the last 5 years of partnership with MLSN.

Only weird soccer dads like you use that as a metric. The only reason GA might care about level of clubs would be if it led to less sponsors or clubs, which has not been the case in fact the opposite is happening. There is no evidence that club quality has any effect on their business.

I think lots of people care about the level of play and clubs in GA, ECNL, E64, ECNL-rl, esp, etc. it’s a pretty silly assumption to assume people don’t. Especially all of these MLSNext dads.

Oh, I agree lots of people care about GA level of play. Mostly people from other leagues looking to pump themselves up. But in no way does it mean the league is “crumbling”. Not as long as clubs, sponsors, and revenues keep going up. To argue otherwise is like saying a restaurant that is filled with paying customers is crumbling because they aren’t the right sexy celebrity customers.

ECNL girl parent here. I care about GA because o think having a competing league creates business pressures that force ECNL to be responsive to the actual needs of parents and players. STL was a perfect example of a league that is accountable to nobody. A strong GA and a strong MLSN will force better CS and CX from ECNL

Thank you. At least someone in that side has the guts to say the truth.

While STL still drew recruits, there is no way I would be happy to have my kid playing in those conditions.

Specially when the week before those same recruiters were in sunny SoCal.

If you look at ecnls ig during these events, it’s the same thing every time. No innovation, other than the “shoebox” they are doing nothing other than hosting soccer matches.

Some of the recruiters were in SoCal. Not all. Not close to all.

What should ECNL do other than “host soccer matches”? Lol heck of a take.

How is the GA innovating on social media?

The PP said nothing about GA. All they did was criticize ECNL’s stl event and boring social media. YOU took that to mean GA’s event and social media are better. Nobody said that. Why does it always come to a pissing contest with you. GA really does live rent free in your head.

The ridiculous attempts to throw shade at GA are so bad.

Makes them look desperate.

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Anonymous wrote:If you follow identityhybrid on ig, he speaks on youth soccer….This is what he said about the alliance…

📍This is a strategic chess move.
Rook to B5 if you will.

1. Solidifying pre-professional pathway. Laying the ground work on professional pathway via NWSL (remember you don't need to go to college and enter the draft anymore. Remember over 10 players under 17 have signed pro contracts).

2. Isolation of ECNL on one side. Collegiate only pathway.
This will be a 2-3 year ripple. Around 2026 / 2027. World Cup Years.📍

It will also likely affect littles.

If certain leagues choose to stay BY they'll also need a youngers feeder funnel. If all the current youngers leagues switch to SY it will force a rival BY youngers league to form.

In the end...

Rec -> ecnl -> college will exist as one path.
Rec ->MLSN/GA -> pro/college will exist as the highest level league.

All the ECNL hats are trying to say that MLSN + GA working together doesn't mean anything. But they're only doing this because they don't understand MLS's power on the boys side.

MLS Next has about 150 clubs and MLS really only center on the 30 academies.

ECNL/RL is what, 4-5 times larger about with about 600-700 clubs if you separate out boys and girls and RL an NL.

You sure MLS wants the headache of running all of youth soccer to help it's 30 academies? US Soccer didn't want the headache. MLS would sooner stop funding their academies (more or less shit them down) then throw large amounts of money to take on ECNL.

600-700 clubs?

Do each of these clubs only have like 6 players? 😂

Dumb take, with inaccurate information.

ECNL girls 130, ECNL boys 150, ECRL girls 250, ECRL boys 270. Roster max per team of 30.

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Anonymous wrote:If you follow identityhybrid on ig, he speaks on youth soccer….This is what he said about the alliance…

📍This is a strategic chess move.
Rook to B5 if you will.

1. Solidifying pre-professional pathway. Laying the ground work on professional pathway via NWSL (remember you don't need to go to college and enter the draft anymore. Remember over 10 players under 17 have signed pro contracts).

2. Isolation of ECNL on one side. Collegiate only pathway.
This will be a 2-3 year ripple. Around 2026 / 2027. World Cup Years.📍

It will also likely affect littles.

If certain leagues choose to stay BY they'll also need a youngers feeder funnel. If all the current youngers leagues switch to SY it will force a rival BY youngers league to form.

In the end...

Rec -> ecnl -> college will exist as one path.
Rec ->MLSN/GA -> pro/college will exist as the highest level league.

All the ECNL hats are trying to say that MLSN + GA working together doesn't mean anything. But they're only doing this because they don't understand MLS's power on the boys side.

MLS Next has about 150 clubs and MLS really only center on the 30 academies.

ECNL/RL is what, 4-5 times larger about with about 600-700 clubs if you separate out boys and girls and RL an NL.

You sure MLS wants the headache of running all of youth soccer to help it's 30 academies? US Soccer didn't want the headache. MLS would sooner stop funding their academies (more or less shit them down) then throw large amounts of money to take on ECNL.

600-700 clubs?

Do each of these clubs only have like 6 players? 😂

Dumb take, with inaccurate information.

ECNL girls 130, ECNL boys 150, ECRL girls 250, ECRL boys 270. Roster max per team of 30.

50% of the RLs are attached to the same club as the NL genius.

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Anonymous wrote:If you follow identityhybrid on ig, he speaks on youth soccer….This is what he said about the alliance…

📍This is a strategic chess move.
Rook to B5 if you will.

1. Solidifying pre-professional pathway. Laying the ground work on professional pathway via NWSL (remember you don't need to go to college and enter the draft anymore. Remember over 10 players under 17 have signed pro contracts).

2. Isolation of ECNL on one side. Collegiate only pathway.
This will be a 2-3 year ripple. Around 2026 / 2027. World Cup Years.📍

It will also likely affect littles.

If certain leagues choose to stay BY they'll also need a youngers feeder funnel. If all the current youngers leagues switch to SY it will force a rival BY youngers league to form.

In the end...

Rec -> ecnl -> college will exist as one path.
Rec ->MLSN/GA -> pro/college will exist as the highest level league.

All the ECNL hats are trying to say that MLSN + GA working together doesn't mean anything. But they're only doing this because they don't understand MLS's power on the boys side.

MLS Next has about 150 clubs and MLS really only center on the 30 academies.

ECNL/RL is what, 4-5 times larger about with about 600-700 clubs if you separate out boys and girls and RL an NL.

You sure MLS wants the headache of running all of youth soccer to help it's 30 academies? US Soccer didn't want the headache. MLS would sooner stop funding their academies (more or less shit them down) then throw large amounts of money to take on ECNL.

600-700 clubs?

Do each of these clubs only have like 6 players? 😂

Dumb take, with inaccurate information.

ECNL girls 130, ECNL boys 150, ECRL girls 250, ECRL boys 270. Roster max per team of 30.

Most of the boys are attached to the same club as the girls too…

Are you new to club soccer?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you follow identityhybrid on ig, he speaks on youth soccer….This is what he said about the alliance…

📍This is a strategic chess move.
Rook to B5 if you will.

1. Solidifying pre-professional pathway. Laying the ground work on professional pathway via NWSL (remember you don't need to go to college and enter the draft anymore. Remember over 10 players under 17 have signed pro contracts).

2. Isolation of ECNL on one side. Collegiate only pathway.
This will be a 2-3 year ripple. Around 2026 / 2027. World Cup Years.📍

It will also likely affect littles.

If certain leagues choose to stay BY they'll also need a youngers feeder funnel. If all the current youngers leagues switch to SY it will force a rival BY youngers league to form.

In the end...

Rec -> ecnl -> college will exist as one path.
Rec ->MLSN/GA -> pro/college will exist as the highest level league.

All the ECNL hats are trying to say that MLSN + GA working together doesn't mean anything. But they're only doing this because they don't understand MLS's power on the boys side.

MLS Next has about 150 clubs and MLS really only center on the 30 academies.

ECNL/RL is what, 4-5 times larger about with about 600-700 clubs if you separate out boys and girls and RL an NL.

You sure MLS wants the headache of running all of youth soccer to help it's 30 academies? US Soccer didn't want the headache. MLS would sooner stop funding their academies (more or less shit them down) then throw large amounts of money to take on ECNL.

600-700 clubs?

Do each of these clubs only have like 6 players? 😂

Dumb take, with inaccurate information.

ECNL girls 130, ECNL boys 150, ECRL girls 250, ECRL boys 270. Roster max per team of 30.

Most of the boys are attached to the same club as the girls too…

Are you new to club soccer?

MLSNEXT only has boys soccer so breaking out ECNL to girls and boys and it's secondary league makes sense for comparison purposes.

Overall ECNL/RL has many more teams per club than MLSNEXT making a basic club comparison inconsistent.

Insinuating that clubs are exclusive to leagues on the boys and girls sides would be foolish of course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you follow identityhybrid on ig, he speaks on youth soccer….This is what he said about the alliance…

📍This is a strategic chess move.
Rook to B5 if you will.

1. Solidifying pre-professional pathway. Laying the ground work on professional pathway via NWSL (remember you don't need to go to college and enter the draft anymore. Remember over 10 players under 17 have signed pro contracts).

2. Isolation of ECNL on one side. Collegiate only pathway.
This will be a 2-3 year ripple. Around 2026 / 2027. World Cup Years.📍

It will also likely affect littles.

If certain leagues choose to stay BY they'll also need a youngers feeder funnel. If all the current youngers leagues switch to SY it will force a rival BY youngers league to form.

In the end...

Rec -> ecnl -> college will exist as one path.
Rec ->MLSN/GA -> pro/college will exist as the highest level league.

All the ECNL hats are trying to say that MLSN + GA working together doesn't mean anything. But they're only doing this because they don't understand MLS's power on the boys side.

MLS Next has about 150 clubs and MLS really only center on the 30 academies.

ECNL/RL is what, 4-5 times larger about with about 600-700 clubs if you separate out boys and girls and RL an NL.

You sure MLS wants the headache of running all of youth soccer to help it's 30 academies? US Soccer didn't want the headache. MLS would sooner stop funding their academies (more or less shit them down) then throw large amounts of money to take on ECNL.

600-700 clubs?

Do each of these clubs only have like 6 players? 😂

Dumb take, with inaccurate information.

ECNL girls 130, ECNL boys 150, ECRL girls 250, ECRL boys 270. Roster max per team of 30.

50% of the RLs are attached to the same club as the NL genius.

About 100,000 players under ECNL/RL and about 16,000 under MLS Next.

So ECNL/RL is not 4-5 times larger than MLS Next, it is over 6 times larger.

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Things I believe to be true

1. The GA/MLSN, while meaningful, will not fundamentally change the landscape
2. I would MUCH rather be a GA playoff team than a 500 ECNL team.
3. If I had a choice between a GA and an ECNL playoff team I would choose ECNL
4. A majority of top teams on both sides are talent aggregators, not talent developers. The true development comes outside of 1.5 hours of club practice 3X a week
5. US Soccer/GA/ECNL need an outlet for kids that are truly all in on elite soccer so kids dont have to patchwork quilt S&C, technical development, film study, tactics, team play, etc.
6. There has to be a way to play competitive games without spending 2K in travel 15 times a year to play league games and another 3-4K to go play a 4-5 day long showcase/playoff event
7. We should get “for profit” clubs out of youth sports. Their mission is fundamentally misaligned with youth development. I know of an alphabet club that is 2X more expensive than their closest 401c3 rival and that rival has better coaching standards, better fields, better programming and better admin. You cant tell me that is better for youth sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Things I believe to be true

1. The GA/MLSN, while meaningful, will not fundamentally change the landscape
2. I would MUCH rather be a GA playoff team than a 500 ECNL team.
3. If I had a choice between a GA and an ECNL playoff team I would choose ECNL
4. A majority of top teams on both sides are talent aggregators, not talent developers. The true development comes outside of 1.5 hours of club practice 3X a week
5. US Soccer/GA/ECNL need an outlet for kids that are truly all in on elite soccer so kids dont have to patchwork quilt S&C, technical development, film study, tactics, team play, etc.
6. There has to be a way to play competitive games without spending 2K in travel 15 times a year to play league games and another 3-4K to go play a 4-5 day long showcase/playoff event
7. We should get “for profit” clubs out of youth sports. Their mission is fundamentally misaligned with youth development. I know of an alphabet club that is 2X more expensive than their closest 401c3 rival and that rival has better coaching standards, better fields, better programming and better admin. You cant tell me that is better for youth sports.

I’d rather 1000x be a GA playoff team than any ECNL playoff team that is not 1st or 2nd in their division.

Why would you want to fly out to Washington state as the 4th seed in your conference with no chance of winning anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you follow identityhybrid on ig, he speaks on youth soccer….This is what he said about the alliance…

📍This is a strategic chess move.
Rook to B5 if you will.

1. Solidifying pre-professional pathway. Laying the ground work on professional pathway via NWSL (remember you don't need to go to college and enter the draft anymore. Remember over 10 players under 17 have signed pro contracts).

2. Isolation of ECNL on one side. Collegiate only pathway.
This will be a 2-3 year ripple. Around 2026 / 2027. World Cup Years.📍

It will also likely affect littles.

If certain leagues choose to stay BY they'll also need a youngers feeder funnel. If all the current youngers leagues switch to SY it will force a rival BY youngers league to form.

In the end...

Rec -> ecnl -> college will exist as one path.
Rec ->MLSN/GA -> pro/college will exist as the highest level league.

All the ECNL hats are trying to say that MLSN + GA working together doesn't mean anything. But they're only doing this because they don't understand MLS's power on the boys side.

MLS Next has about 150 clubs and MLS really only center on the 30 academies.

ECNL/RL is what, 4-5 times larger about with about 600-700 clubs if you separate out boys and girls and RL an NL.

You sure MLS wants the headache of running all of youth soccer to help it's 30 academies? US Soccer didn't want the headache. MLS would sooner stop funding their academies (more or less shit them down) then throw large amounts of money to take on ECNL.

600-700 clubs?

Do each of these clubs only have like 6 players? 😂

Dumb take, with inaccurate information.

ECNL girls 130, ECNL boys 150, ECRL girls 250, ECRL boys 270. Roster max per team of 30.

50% of the RLs are attached to the same club as the NL genius.

About 100,000 players under ECNL/RL and about 16,000 under MLS Next.

So ECNL/RL is not 4-5 times larger than MLS Next, it is over 6 times larger.

The posted that started this thread was talking about clubs…not teams, not player pools. Then they proceeded to break “clubs” into genders and leagues to get to their point. That poster was wrong.

Yes there are more ECNL kids than MLSN kids…not the point.

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Anonymous wrote:If you follow identityhybrid on ig, he speaks on youth soccer….This is what he said about the alliance…

📍This is a strategic chess move.
Rook to B5 if you will.

1. Solidifying pre-professional pathway. Laying the ground work on professional pathway via NWSL (remember you don't need to go to college and enter the draft anymore. Remember over 10 players under 17 have signed pro contracts).

2. Isolation of ECNL on one side. Collegiate only pathway.
This will be a 2-3 year ripple. Around 2026 / 2027. World Cup Years.📍

It will also likely affect littles.

If certain leagues choose to stay BY they'll also need a youngers feeder funnel. If all the current youngers leagues switch to SY it will force a rival BY youngers league to form.

In the end...

Rec -> ecnl -> college will exist as one path.
Rec ->MLSN/GA -> pro/college will exist as the highest level league.

All the ECNL hats are trying to say that MLSN + GA working together doesn't mean anything. But they're only doing this because they don't understand MLS's power on the boys side.

MLS Next has about 150 clubs and MLS really only center on the 30 academies.

ECNL/RL is what, 4-5 times larger about with about 600-700 clubs if you separate out boys and girls and RL an NL.

You sure MLS wants the headache of running all of youth soccer to help it's 30 academies? US Soccer didn't want the headache. MLS would sooner stop funding their academies (more or less shit them down) then throw large amounts of money to take on ECNL.

600-700 clubs?

Do each of these clubs only have like 6 players? 😂

Dumb take, with inaccurate information.

ECNL girls 130, ECNL boys 150, ECRL girls 250, ECRL boys 270. Roster max per team of 30.

50% of the RLs are attached to the same club as the NL genius.

About 100,000 players under ECNL/RL and about 16,000 under MLS Next.

So ECNL/RL is not 4-5 times larger than MLS Next, it is over 6 times larger.

The posted that started this thread was talking about clubs…not teams, not player pools. Then they proceeded to break “clubs” into genders and leagues to get to their point. That poster was wrong.

Yes there are more ECNL kids than MLSN kids…not the point.

There's always more rec players than elite players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Things I believe to be true

1. The GA/MLSN, while meaningful, will not fundamentally change the landscape
2. I would MUCH rather be a GA playoff team than a 500 ECNL team.
3. If I had a choice between a GA and an ECNL playoff team I would choose ECNL
4. A majority of top teams on both sides are talent aggregators, not talent developers. The true development comes outside of 1.5 hours of club practice 3X a week
5. US Soccer/GA/ECNL need an outlet for kids that are truly all in on elite soccer so kids dont have to patchwork quilt S&C, technical development, film study, tactics, team play, etc.
6. There has to be a way to play competitive games without spending 2K in travel 15 times a year to play league games and another 3-4K to go play a 4-5 day long showcase/playoff event
7. We should get “for profit” clubs out of youth sports. Their mission is fundamentally misaligned with youth development. I know of an alphabet club that is 2X more expensive than their closest 401c3 rival and that rival has better coaching standards, better fields, better programming and better admin. You cant tell me that is better for youth sports.

Points make some sense other than 2. You would still want to be on an Ecnl team for the exposure. On the GA playoff team your 1-8 or even 1-11 may be fine. The bottom of your team is not being recruited. Bottom of bad Ecnl teams are still being recruited.

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Anonymous wrote:Things I believe to be true

1. The GA/MLSN, while meaningful, will not fundamentally change the landscape
2. I would MUCH rather be a GA playoff team than a 500 ECNL team.
3. If I had a choice between a GA and an ECNL playoff team I would choose ECNL
4. A majority of top teams on both sides are talent aggregators, not talent developers. The true development comes outside of 1.5 hours of club practice 3X a week
5. US Soccer/GA/ECNL need an outlet for kids that are truly all in on elite soccer so kids dont have to patchwork quilt S&C, technical development, film study, tactics, team play, etc.
6. There has to be a way to play competitive games without spending 2K in travel 15 times a year to play league games and another 3-4K to go play a 4-5 day long showcase/playoff event
7. We should get “for profit” clubs out of youth sports. Their mission is fundamentally misaligned with youth development. I know of an alphabet club that is 2X more expensive than their closest 401c3 rival and that rival has better coaching standards, better fields, better programming and better admin. You cant tell me that is better for youth sports.

I’d rather 1000x be a GA playoff team than any ECNL playoff team that is not 1st or 2nd in their division.

Why would you want to fly out to Washington state as the 4th seed in your conference with no chance of winning anything.

If I was not committed I would want to be there. Every coach will be there.