Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.
These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.
Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.
And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?
There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.
LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.
Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.
"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"
In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.
Don't be so openly racist.
In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.
That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.
(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.
It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.
Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.
If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.
Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.
Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.
However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?
And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?
Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.
There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.
Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.
Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.
Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.
Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.
Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?
Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.
Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.
Glad to help with that huge mystery!
Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.
That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.
If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.
But I can speak to the drivers of generational wealth. And those include inheriting desirable and appreciating real estate from my great-grandparents and grandparents. Something that would have been challenging and unlikely for poor White Americans but literally illegal for Black ones. Do you see the difference?
Regardless of our parents or grandparents being allowed or not allowed to own real estate, a large percentage of Americans do not inherit real estate or much else in terms of generational wealth, whites included. Again, not all of us are in the top 2-5% and the wealth divide between the richest and the rest of us has gotten even worse in the last 50 years.
You’re so close. If your parents are legally prohibited from owning real estate, you have a 0% chance of inheriting it, right?
So even if most people don’t inherit, those that do will disproportionately be made up of people whose parents…we’re not legally prohibited from owning real estate.
Now consider the knock on effects of $15,000 on the average family. Maybe they invest it in their kids education and end the education debt cycle. Maybe they make a down payment on appreciating real estate which *they* pass on. What our parents were legally permitted to do absolutely impacts our economics.
And, those redlining laws? They were part of specific new deal programs intended to help the white working class. Government handouts to poor white families, like the ones you’re worried about now. There was no parallel for black families.
In case you don’t read it, here’s a helpful section:
“Today (2017) African-American incomes on average are about 60 percent of average white incomes. But African-American wealth is about 5 percent of white wealth. Most middle-class families in this country gain their wealth from the equity they have in their homes. So this enormous difference between a 60 percent income ratio and a 5 percent wealth ratio is almost entirely attributable to federal housing policy implemented through the 20th century”
Again, it's a moot point when so many Americans, white or black, have a 0% chance of owning property because their parents didn't pass it on to them, or it went to a different relative, or so on. Generational wealth is typically given in averages - which in reality means a small percentage of Americans get a lot from their predecessors, but most don't get much at all.
But for those who do... while clinging to your theories, how do you explain that these days many black families ARE managing to accumulate wealth and pass it on, with many black families entering the middle and upper class? It's because most of those families started taking advantage of the fact that those barriers dropped 50 years ago, and now have a 50 year head-start on their peers. How do you explain how a black immigrant from Ghana will do what he can to start a business, work hard, buy real estate and so on? Do you think he gets some kind of special pass, like in 2023 the Systemic Racist Cabal takes a look at his documents and says "yeah we see that your skin is black, but you get a pass because you're from Ghana but heaven forbid we let any uppity American-born blacks buy any real estate or start a business?" No. It's because he's completely ignorant to those barriers that existed 50 years ago, they don't affect him. Yes, parts of the black community is still haunted by those shadows of the past, but so much of it these days is a faulty self-constraining "we can't because we couldn't" - but the reality that many blacks have found is "we couldn't but now we can" and that's what needs to be taught, encouraged and repeated.
A different but somewhat similar tale could be told about Asian Americans and how Japanese Americans were forced into internment camps in WW2. Similar to Jewish Americans. Yet today Asian American income surpasses all other racial groups, including whites. You sound like a white savior.
You mean the people forced into internment camps who were rightly paid reparations? Who did things with those reparations like…send their children to elite Universities?
Why do you persist in acting like we have no idea other than your feelings about why things happen? And that no one has ever looked at this question?
You are too deluded by your own biases to look at the evidence. Reparations in the 90s don’t explain the vast achievements in income that most Asian American ethic groups see today, or Jewish Americans. We are tired of white saviors like yourself who did nothing to earn their money lecturing us about equity. If you really wanted to help why don’t distribute your inheritance to underprivileged children instead of demanding that the state redistribute funds across society.
Because more underprivileged children than the ones I could support are entitled to support. I don’t complain about my taxes and I do quite a lot of charitable giving— two things can be true at once.
Anonymous wrote:Y’all let the white fascists turn this thread into an immigrants vs. Blacks debate just like they always want you to do. This is a song about white good old boys in the South whining that they are powerless in the dumbass society and economy that they intentionally created to keep Blacks and immigrants down.
Good grief you are ignorant.
It is essentially a song about how the government doesn't actually work for the people. And, he is right.
You have roads, running water, libraries, schools, fire protection, police, health standards at restaurants, streetlights?
This is just a small list showing you how important government is and how it is indeed working.
Fire protection failed in Hawaii. Libraries infested with homeless and drugs. Schools aren’t educating. Police can’t keep up with the violence and are often told by govt officials not to. Food poisoning issues increasing in restaurants. I’ll give you running water and streetlights.
I have a feeling you don’t actually patronize your local library branch very often. Please prove me wrong and let us know what library you routinely visit that is “infested”.
I was in West VA (Anthony country!) this weekend. On Saturday I went into the local library. Not a homeless person or a drug in sight…and unfortunately very few children. If you don’t make use of what the government is making available to you, that’s on you, not on an imaginary homeless person.
Oh, mine town is fine because we are conservatives and would not tolerate it. Go into Reston though and it’s a different story.
Reston? Try DC. I visited a Brand new library that reeked of urine around the entrance. I love libraries but sadly I will not be taking my kids to any libraries in a major metro area.
Sounds like you don’t really love libraries. Your poor kids.
I don’t care for the smell of urine and being around homeless individuals who appear to be mentally unstable or on drugs. But you do you babe, Live your best life at the library.
Anonymous wrote:Y’all let the white fascists turn this thread into an immigrants vs. Blacks debate just like they always want you to do. This is a song about white good old boys in the South whining that they are powerless in the dumbass society and economy that they intentionally created to keep Blacks and immigrants down.
Good grief you are ignorant.
It is essentially a song about how the government doesn't actually work for the people. And, he is right.
You have roads, running water, libraries, schools, fire protection, police, health standards at restaurants, streetlights?
This is just a small list showing you how important government is and how it is indeed working.
Fire protection failed in Hawaii. Libraries infested with homeless and drugs. Schools aren’t educating. Police can’t keep up with the violence and are often told by govt officials not to. Food poisoning issues increasing in restaurants. I’ll give you running water and streetlights.
I have a feeling you don’t actually patronize your local library branch very often. Please prove me wrong and let us know what library you routinely visit that is “infested”.
I was in West VA (Anthony country!) this weekend. On Saturday I went into the local library. Not a homeless person or a drug in sight…and unfortunately very few children. If you don’t make use of what the government is making available to you, that’s on you, not on an imaginary homeless person.
Oh, mine town is fine because we are conservatives and would not tolerate it. Go into Reston though and it’s a different story.
Reston? Try DC. I visited a Brand new library that reeked of urine around the entrance. I love libraries but sadly I will not be taking my kids to any libraries in a major metro area.
Sounds like you don’t really love libraries. Your poor kids.
I don’t care for the smell of urine and being around homeless individuals who appear to be mentally unstable or on drugs. But you do you babe, Live your best life at the library.
Don’t you listen to your own songs?? These homeless individuals are forced to do drugs because of fat people on welfare! We know it’s not their fault because Anthony said so and don’t you know a lot of people like him???
Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.
These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.
Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.
And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?
There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.
LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.
Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.
"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"
In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.
Don't be so openly racist.
In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.
That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.
(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.
It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.
Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.
If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.
Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.
Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.
However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?
And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?
Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.
There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.
Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.
Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.
Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.
Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.
Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?
Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.
Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.
Glad to help with that huge mystery!
Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.
That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.
If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.
But I can speak to the drivers of generational wealth. And those include inheriting desirable and appreciating real estate from my great-grandparents and grandparents. Something that would have been challenging and unlikely for poor White Americans but literally illegal for Black ones. Do you see the difference?
Regardless of our parents or grandparents being allowed or not allowed to own real estate, a large percentage of Americans do not inherit real estate or much else in terms of generational wealth, whites included. Again, not all of us are in the top 2-5% and the wealth divide between the richest and the rest of us has gotten even worse in the last 50 years.
You’re so close. If your parents are legally prohibited from owning real estate, you have a 0% chance of inheriting it, right?
So even if most people don’t inherit, those that do will disproportionately be made up of people whose parents…we’re not legally prohibited from owning real estate.
Now consider the knock on effects of $15,000 on the average family. Maybe they invest it in their kids education and end the education debt cycle. Maybe they make a down payment on appreciating real estate which *they* pass on. What our parents were legally permitted to do absolutely impacts our economics.
And, those redlining laws? They were part of specific new deal programs intended to help the white working class. Government handouts to poor white families, like the ones you’re worried about now. There was no parallel for black families.
In case you don’t read it, here’s a helpful section:
“Today (2017) African-American incomes on average are about 60 percent of average white incomes. But African-American wealth is about 5 percent of white wealth. Most middle-class families in this country gain their wealth from the equity they have in their homes. So this enormous difference between a 60 percent income ratio and a 5 percent wealth ratio is almost entirely attributable to federal housing policy implemented through the 20th century”
Again, it's a moot point when so many Americans, white or black, have a 0% chance of owning property because their parents didn't pass it on to them, or it went to a different relative, or so on. Generational wealth is typically given in averages - which in reality means a small percentage of Americans get a lot from their predecessors, but most don't get much at all.
But for those who do... while clinging to your theories, how do you explain that these days many black families ARE managing to accumulate wealth and pass it on, with many black families entering the middle and upper class? It's because most of those families started taking advantage of the fact that those barriers dropped 50 years ago, and now have a 50 year head-start on their peers. How do you explain how a black immigrant from Ghana will do what he can to start a business, work hard, buy real estate and so on? Do you think he gets some kind of special pass, like in 2023 the Systemic Racist Cabal takes a look at his documents and says "yeah we see that your skin is black, but you get a pass because you're from Ghana but heaven forbid we let any uppity American-born blacks buy any real estate or start a business?" No. It's because he's completely ignorant to those barriers that existed 50 years ago, they don't affect him. Yes, parts of the black community is still haunted by those shadows of the past, but so much of it these days is a faulty self-constraining "we can't because we couldn't" - but the reality that many blacks have found is "we couldn't but now we can" and that's what needs to be taught, encouraged and repeated.
A different but somewhat similar tale could be told about Asian Americans and how Japanese Americans were forced into internment camps in WW2. Similar to Jewish Americans. Yet today Asian American income surpasses all other racial groups, including whites. You sound like a white savior.
You mean the people forced into internment camps who were rightly paid reparations? Who did things with those reparations like…send their children to elite Universities?
Why do you persist in acting like we have no idea other than your feelings about why things happen? And that no one has ever looked at this question?
You are too deluded by your own biases to look at the evidence. Reparations in the 90s don’t explain the vast achievements in income that most Asian American ethic groups see today, or Jewish Americans. We are tired of white saviors like yourself who did nothing to earn their money lecturing us about equity. If you really wanted to help why don’t distribute your inheritance to underprivileged children instead of demanding that the state redistribute funds across society.
Because more underprivileged children than the ones I could support are entitled to support. I don’t complain about my taxes and I do quite a lot of charitable giving— two things can be true at once.
I see, so you throw a few bucks at a charity while continuing to live a life of privilege. Noblesse Oblige at its finest. Then, you demand that the working class people subsidize a specific class of people because of crimes committed over a hundred years ago. Of course you don’t mind paying taxes, you are rich and did zero to earn that wealth. Meanwhile you advocate that people struggling to make ends meet working at Taco Bell or Walmart support that state using their taxes to provide remuneration for something that occurred centuries ago, at no fault of their own. Disgusting.
Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.
These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.
Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.
And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?
There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.
LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.
Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.
"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"
In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.
Don't be so openly racist.
In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.
That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.
(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.
It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.
Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.
If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.
Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.
Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.
However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?
And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?
Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.
There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.
Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.
Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.
Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.
Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.
Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?
Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.
Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.
Glad to help with that huge mystery!
Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.
That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.
If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.
But I can speak to the drivers of generational wealth. And those include inheriting desirable and appreciating real estate from my great-grandparents and grandparents. Something that would have been challenging and unlikely for poor White Americans but literally illegal for Black ones. Do you see the difference?
Regardless of our parents or grandparents being allowed or not allowed to own real estate, a large percentage of Americans do not inherit real estate or much else in terms of generational wealth, whites included. Again, not all of us are in the top 2-5% and the wealth divide between the richest and the rest of us has gotten even worse in the last 50 years.
You’re so close. If your parents are legally prohibited from owning real estate, you have a 0% chance of inheriting it, right?
So even if most people don’t inherit, those that do will disproportionately be made up of people whose parents…we’re not legally prohibited from owning real estate.
Now consider the knock on effects of $15,000 on the average family. Maybe they invest it in their kids education and end the education debt cycle. Maybe they make a down payment on appreciating real estate which *they* pass on. What our parents were legally permitted to do absolutely impacts our economics.
And, those redlining laws? They were part of specific new deal programs intended to help the white working class. Government handouts to poor white families, like the ones you’re worried about now. There was no parallel for black families.
In case you don’t read it, here’s a helpful section:
“Today (2017) African-American incomes on average are about 60 percent of average white incomes. But African-American wealth is about 5 percent of white wealth. Most middle-class families in this country gain their wealth from the equity they have in their homes. So this enormous difference between a 60 percent income ratio and a 5 percent wealth ratio is almost entirely attributable to federal housing policy implemented through the 20th century”
Again, it's a moot point when so many Americans, white or black, have a 0% chance of owning property because their parents didn't pass it on to them, or it went to a different relative, or so on. Generational wealth is typically given in averages - which in reality means a small percentage of Americans get a lot from their predecessors, but most don't get much at all.
But for those who do... while clinging to your theories, how do you explain that these days many black families ARE managing to accumulate wealth and pass it on, with many black families entering the middle and upper class? It's because most of those families started taking advantage of the fact that those barriers dropped 50 years ago, and now have a 50 year head-start on their peers. How do you explain how a black immigrant from Ghana will do what he can to start a business, work hard, buy real estate and so on? Do you think he gets some kind of special pass, like in 2023 the Systemic Racist Cabal takes a look at his documents and says "yeah we see that your skin is black, but you get a pass because you're from Ghana but heaven forbid we let any uppity American-born blacks buy any real estate or start a business?" No. It's because he's completely ignorant to those barriers that existed 50 years ago, they don't affect him. Yes, parts of the black community is still haunted by those shadows of the past, but so much of it these days is a faulty self-constraining "we can't because we couldn't" - but the reality that many blacks have found is "we couldn't but now we can" and that's what needs to be taught, encouraged and repeated.
A different but somewhat similar tale could be told about Asian Americans and how Japanese Americans were forced into internment camps in WW2. Similar to Jewish Americans. Yet today Asian American income surpasses all other racial groups, including whites. You sound like a white savior.
You mean the people forced into internment camps who were rightly paid reparations? Who did things with those reparations like…send their children to elite Universities?
Why do you persist in acting like we have no idea other than your feelings about why things happen? And that no one has ever looked at this question?
You are too deluded by your own biases to look at the evidence. Reparations in the 90s don’t explain the vast achievements in income that most Asian American ethic groups see today, or Jewish Americans. We are tired of white saviors like yourself who did nothing to earn their money lecturing us about equity. If you really wanted to help why don’t distribute your inheritance to underprivileged children instead of demanding that the state redistribute funds across society.
Because more underprivileged children than the ones I could support are entitled to support. I don’t complain about my taxes and I do quite a lot of charitable giving— two things can be true at once.
I see, so you throw a few bucks at a charity while continuing to live a life of privilege. Noblesse Oblige at its finest. Then, you demand that the working class people subsidize a specific class of people because of crimes committed over a hundred years ago. Of course you don’t mind paying taxes, you are rich and did zero to earn that wealth. Meanwhile you advocate that people struggling to make ends meet working at Taco Bell or Walmart support that state using their taxes to provide remuneration for something that occurred centuries ago, at no fault of their own. Disgusting.
You know, I’m starting to believe the right wing rhetoric on the quality of our public education if you’re really saying that 1968 was “centuries” ago. The use of the plural implies more than one— you believe all legal racial barriers in the United States had ended in…1823?
Further the person who works at Taco Bell and Wal*Mart is more likely to be receiving government assistance themselves than paying any taxes. 72 million households owe no federal tax at all.
Anonymous wrote:Y’all let the white fascists turn this thread into an immigrants vs. Blacks debate just like they always want you to do. This is a song about white good old boys in the South whining that they are powerless in the dumbass society and economy that they intentionally created to keep Blacks and immigrants down.
Good grief you are ignorant.
It is essentially a song about how the government doesn't actually work for the people. And, he is right.
You have roads, running water, libraries, schools, fire protection, police, health standards at restaurants, streetlights?
This is just a small list showing you how important government is and how it is indeed working.
Fire protection failed in Hawaii. Libraries infested with homeless and drugs. Schools aren’t educating. Police can’t keep up with the violence and are often told by govt officials not to. Food poisoning issues increasing in restaurants. I’ll give you running water and streetlights.
I have a feeling you don’t actually patronize your local library branch very often. Please prove me wrong and let us know what library you routinely visit that is “infested”.
I was in West VA (Anthony country!) this weekend. On Saturday I went into the local library. Not a homeless person or a drug in sight…and unfortunately very few children. If you don’t make use of what the government is making available to you, that’s on you, not on an imaginary homeless person.
Oh, mine town is fine because we are conservatives and would not tolerate it. Go into Reston though and it’s a different story.
Reston? Try DC. I visited a Brand new library that reeked of urine around the entrance. I love libraries but sadly I will not be taking my kids to any libraries in a major metro area.
Sounds like you don’t really love libraries. Your poor kids.
I don’t care for the smell of urine and being around homeless individuals who appear to be mentally unstable or on drugs. But you do you babe, Live your best life at the library.
Don’t you listen to your own songs?? These homeless individuals are forced to do drugs because of fat people on welfare! We know it’s not their fault because Anthony said so and don’t you know a lot of people like him???
Who are you talking to? I don’t listen to country music and only heard this song due to the thread. I don’t care for it, but to each their own, I can see how it’s popular. I commented to agree with the PP that public libraries are often gross. Why are you so triggered that you feel a need to attack my kids? Why not direct your energy into cleaning up public libraries.
Anonymous wrote:Y’all let the white fascists turn this thread into an immigrants vs. Blacks debate just like they always want you to do. This is a song about white good old boys in the South whining that they are powerless in the dumbass society and economy that they intentionally created to keep Blacks and immigrants down.
Good grief you are ignorant.
It is essentially a song about how the government doesn't actually work for the people. And, he is right.
You have roads, running water, libraries, schools, fire protection, police, health standards at restaurants, streetlights?
This is just a small list showing you how important government is and how it is indeed working.
Fire protection failed in Hawaii. Libraries infested with homeless and drugs. Schools aren’t educating. Police can’t keep up with the violence and are often told by govt officials not to. Food poisoning issues increasing in restaurants. I’ll give you running water and streetlights.
I have a feeling you don’t actually patronize your local library branch very often. Please prove me wrong and let us know what library you routinely visit that is “infested”.
I was in West VA (Anthony country!) this weekend. On Saturday I went into the local library. Not a homeless person or a drug in sight…and unfortunately very few children. If you don’t make use of what the government is making available to you, that’s on you, not on an imaginary homeless person.
Oh, mine town is fine because we are conservatives and would not tolerate it. Go into Reston though and it’s a different story.
Reston? Try DC. I visited a Brand new library that reeked of urine around the entrance. I love libraries but sadly I will not be taking my kids to any libraries in a major metro area.
Sounds like you don’t really love libraries. Your poor kids.
I don’t care for the smell of urine and being around homeless individuals who appear to be mentally unstable or on drugs. But you do you babe, Live your best life at the library.
Don’t you listen to your own songs?? These homeless individuals are forced to do drugs because of fat people on welfare! We know it’s not their fault because Anthony said so and don’t you know a lot of people like him???
Who are you talking to? I don’t listen to country music and only heard this song due to the thread. I don’t care for it, but to each their own, I can see how it’s popular. I commented to agree with the PP that public libraries are often gross. Why are you so triggered that you feel a need to attack my kids? Why not direct your energy into cleaning up public libraries.
Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.
These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.
Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.
And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?
There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.
LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.
Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.
"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"
In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.
Don't be so openly racist.
In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.
That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.
(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.
It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.
Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.
If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.
Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.
Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.
However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?
And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?
Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.
There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.
Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.
Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.
Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.
Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.
Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?
Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.
Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.
Glad to help with that huge mystery!
Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.
That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.
If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.
But I can speak to the drivers of generational wealth. And those include inheriting desirable and appreciating real estate from my great-grandparents and grandparents. Something that would have been challenging and unlikely for poor White Americans but literally illegal for Black ones. Do you see the difference?
Regardless of our parents or grandparents being allowed or not allowed to own real estate, a large percentage of Americans do not inherit real estate or much else in terms of generational wealth, whites included. Again, not all of us are in the top 2-5% and the wealth divide between the richest and the rest of us has gotten even worse in the last 50 years.
You’re so close. If your parents are legally prohibited from owning real estate, you have a 0% chance of inheriting it, right?
So even if most people don’t inherit, those that do will disproportionately be made up of people whose parents…we’re not legally prohibited from owning real estate.
Now consider the knock on effects of $15,000 on the average family. Maybe they invest it in their kids education and end the education debt cycle. Maybe they make a down payment on appreciating real estate which *they* pass on. What our parents were legally permitted to do absolutely impacts our economics.
And, those redlining laws? They were part of specific new deal programs intended to help the white working class. Government handouts to poor white families, like the ones you’re worried about now. There was no parallel for black families.
In case you don’t read it, here’s a helpful section:
“Today (2017) African-American incomes on average are about 60 percent of average white incomes. But African-American wealth is about 5 percent of white wealth. Most middle-class families in this country gain their wealth from the equity they have in their homes. So this enormous difference between a 60 percent income ratio and a 5 percent wealth ratio is almost entirely attributable to federal housing policy implemented through the 20th century”
Again, it's a moot point when so many Americans, white or black, have a 0% chance of owning property because their parents didn't pass it on to them, or it went to a different relative, or so on. Generational wealth is typically given in averages - which in reality means a small percentage of Americans get a lot from their predecessors, but most don't get much at all.
But for those who do... while clinging to your theories, how do you explain that these days many black families ARE managing to accumulate wealth and pass it on, with many black families entering the middle and upper class? It's because most of those families started taking advantage of the fact that those barriers dropped 50 years ago, and now have a 50 year head-start on their peers. How do you explain how a black immigrant from Ghana will do what he can to start a business, work hard, buy real estate and so on? Do you think he gets some kind of special pass, like in 2023 the Systemic Racist Cabal takes a look at his documents and says "yeah we see that your skin is black, but you get a pass because you're from Ghana but heaven forbid we let any uppity American-born blacks buy any real estate or start a business?" No. It's because he's completely ignorant to those barriers that existed 50 years ago, they don't affect him. Yes, parts of the black community is still haunted by those shadows of the past, but so much of it these days is a faulty self-constraining "we can't because we couldn't" - but the reality that many blacks have found is "we couldn't but now we can" and that's what needs to be taught, encouraged and repeated.
A different but somewhat similar tale could be told about Asian Americans and how Japanese Americans were forced into internment camps in WW2. Similar to Jewish Americans. Yet today Asian American income surpasses all other racial groups, including whites. You sound like a white savior.
You mean the people forced into internment camps who were rightly paid reparations? Who did things with those reparations like…send their children to elite Universities?
Why do you persist in acting like we have no idea other than your feelings about why things happen? And that no one has ever looked at this question?
You are too deluded by your own biases to look at the evidence. Reparations in the 90s don’t explain the vast achievements in income that most Asian American ethic groups see today, or Jewish Americans. We are tired of white saviors like yourself who did nothing to earn their money lecturing us about equity. If you really wanted to help why don’t distribute your inheritance to underprivileged children instead of demanding that the state redistribute funds across society.
Because more underprivileged children than the ones I could support are entitled to support. I don’t complain about my taxes and I do quite a lot of charitable giving— two things can be true at once.
I see, so you throw a few bucks at a charity while continuing to live a life of privilege. Noblesse Oblige at its finest. Then, you demand that the working class people subsidize a specific class of people because of crimes committed over a hundred years ago. Of course you don’t mind paying taxes, you are rich and did zero to earn that wealth. Meanwhile you advocate that people struggling to make ends meet working at Taco Bell or Walmart support that state using their taxes to provide remuneration for something that occurred centuries ago, at no fault of their own. Disgusting.
You know, I’m starting to believe the right wing rhetoric on the quality of our public education if you’re really saying that 1968 was “centuries” ago. The use of the plural implies more than one— you believe all legal racial barriers in the United States had ended in…1823?
Further the person who works at Taco Bell and Wal*Mart is more likely to be receiving government assistance themselves than paying any taxes. 72 million households owe no federal tax at all.
Exactly my point. You want to pay reparations to the black Taco Bell workers but not the Latino or Asian ones. Racist.
If you are advocating that we compensate everyone for every injustice that was ever perpetrated, that would mean compensation for Asians and whites due to slavery like conditions on the railroads end in the mines. I don’t hear you advocating for that, why is that?
You are the textbook definition of someone who has intense white guilt due to their privilege. You need to stop advocating for these destructive identity beliefs, which harms non-privileged in society due to your feelings.
Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.
These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.
Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.
And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?
There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.
LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.
Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.
"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"
In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.
Don't be so openly racist.
In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.
That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.
(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.
It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.
Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.
If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.
Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.
Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.
However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?
And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?
Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.
There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.
Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.
Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.
Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.
Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.
Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?
Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.
Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.
Glad to help with that huge mystery!
Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.
That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.
If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.
But I can speak to the drivers of generational wealth. And those include inheriting desirable and appreciating real estate from my great-grandparents and grandparents. Something that would have been challenging and unlikely for poor White Americans but literally illegal for Black ones. Do you see the difference?
Regardless of our parents or grandparents being allowed or not allowed to own real estate, a large percentage of Americans do not inherit real estate or much else in terms of generational wealth, whites included. Again, not all of us are in the top 2-5% and the wealth divide between the richest and the rest of us has gotten even worse in the last 50 years.
You’re so close. If your parents are legally prohibited from owning real estate, you have a 0% chance of inheriting it, right?
So even if most people don’t inherit, those that do will disproportionately be made up of people whose parents…we’re not legally prohibited from owning real estate.
Now consider the knock on effects of $15,000 on the average family. Maybe they invest it in their kids education and end the education debt cycle. Maybe they make a down payment on appreciating real estate which *they* pass on. What our parents were legally permitted to do absolutely impacts our economics.
And, those redlining laws? They were part of specific new deal programs intended to help the white working class. Government handouts to poor white families, like the ones you’re worried about now. There was no parallel for black families.
In case you don’t read it, here’s a helpful section:
“Today (2017) African-American incomes on average are about 60 percent of average white incomes. But African-American wealth is about 5 percent of white wealth. Most middle-class families in this country gain their wealth from the equity they have in their homes. So this enormous difference between a 60 percent income ratio and a 5 percent wealth ratio is almost entirely attributable to federal housing policy implemented through the 20th century”
Again, it's a moot point when so many Americans, white or black, have a 0% chance of owning property because their parents didn't pass it on to them, or it went to a different relative, or so on. Generational wealth is typically given in averages - which in reality means a small percentage of Americans get a lot from their predecessors, but most don't get much at all.
But for those who do... while clinging to your theories, how do you explain that these days many black families ARE managing to accumulate wealth and pass it on, with many black families entering the middle and upper class? It's because most of those families started taking advantage of the fact that those barriers dropped 50 years ago, and now have a 50 year head-start on their peers. How do you explain how a black immigrant from Ghana will do what he can to start a business, work hard, buy real estate and so on? Do you think he gets some kind of special pass, like in 2023 the Systemic Racist Cabal takes a look at his documents and says "yeah we see that your skin is black, but you get a pass because you're from Ghana but heaven forbid we let any uppity American-born blacks buy any real estate or start a business?" No. It's because he's completely ignorant to those barriers that existed 50 years ago, they don't affect him. Yes, parts of the black community is still haunted by those shadows of the past, but so much of it these days is a faulty self-constraining "we can't because we couldn't" - but the reality that many blacks have found is "we couldn't but now we can" and that's what needs to be taught, encouraged and repeated.
A different but somewhat similar tale could be told about Asian Americans and how Japanese Americans were forced into internment camps in WW2. Similar to Jewish Americans. Yet today Asian American income surpasses all other racial groups, including whites. You sound like a white savior.
You mean the people forced into internment camps who were rightly paid reparations? Who did things with those reparations like…send their children to elite Universities?
Why do you persist in acting like we have no idea other than your feelings about why things happen? And that no one has ever looked at this question?
You are too deluded by your own biases to look at the evidence. Reparations in the 90s don’t explain the vast achievements in income that most Asian American ethic groups see today, or Jewish Americans. We are tired of white saviors like yourself who did nothing to earn their money lecturing us about equity. If you really wanted to help why don’t distribute your inheritance to underprivileged children instead of demanding that the state redistribute funds across society.
Because more underprivileged children than the ones I could support are entitled to support. I don’t complain about my taxes and I do quite a lot of charitable giving— two things can be true at once.
I see, so you throw a few bucks at a charity while continuing to live a life of privilege. Noblesse Oblige at its finest. Then, you demand that the working class people subsidize a specific class of people because of crimes committed over a hundred years ago. Of course you don’t mind paying taxes, you are rich and did zero to earn that wealth. Meanwhile you advocate that people struggling to make ends meet working at Taco Bell or Walmart support that state using their taxes to provide remuneration for something that occurred centuries ago, at no fault of their own. Disgusting.
You know, I’m starting to believe the right wing rhetoric on the quality of our public education if you’re really saying that 1968 was “centuries” ago. The use of the plural implies more than one— you believe all legal racial barriers in the United States had ended in…1823?
Further the person who works at Taco Bell and Wal*Mart is more likely to be receiving government assistance themselves than paying any taxes. 72 million households owe no federal tax at all.
Exactly my point. You want to pay reparations to the black Taco Bell workers but not the Latino or Asian ones. Racist.
If you are advocating that we compensate everyone for every injustice that was ever perpetrated, that would mean compensation for Asians and whites due to slavery like conditions on the railroads end in the mines. I don’t hear you advocating for that, why is that?
You are the textbook definition of someone who has intense white guilt due to their privilege. You need to stop advocating for these destructive identity beliefs, which harms non-privileged in society due to your feelings.
Just the ones carried out by law by the U.S government, exactly as was done for the Japanese victims of internment.
Anonymous wrote:Y’all let the white fascists turn this thread into an immigrants vs. Blacks debate just like they always want you to do. This is a song about white good old boys in the South whining that they are powerless in the dumbass society and economy that they intentionally created to keep Blacks and immigrants down.
Good grief you are ignorant.
It is essentially a song about how the government doesn't actually work for the people. And, he is right.
You have roads, running water, libraries, schools, fire protection, police, health standards at restaurants, streetlights?
This is just a small list showing you how important government is and how it is indeed working.
Fire protection failed in Hawaii. Libraries infested with homeless and drugs. Schools aren’t educating. Police can’t keep up with the violence and are often told by govt officials not to. Food poisoning issues increasing in restaurants. I’ll give you running water and streetlights.
I have a feeling you don’t actually patronize your local library branch very often. Please prove me wrong and let us know what library you routinely visit that is “infested”.
I was in West VA (Anthony country!) this weekend. On Saturday I went into the local library. Not a homeless person or a drug in sight…and unfortunately very few children. If you don’t make use of what the government is making available to you, that’s on you, not on an imaginary homeless person.
Oh, mine town is fine because we are conservatives and would not tolerate it. Go into Reston though and it’s a different story.
Reston? Try DC. I visited a Brand new library that reeked of urine around the entrance. I love libraries but sadly I will not be taking my kids to any libraries in a major metro area.
Sounds like you don’t really love libraries. Your poor kids.
I don’t care for the smell of urine and being around homeless individuals who appear to be mentally unstable or on drugs. But you do you babe, Live your best life at the library.
Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses - Proverbs 28:27
Anonymous wrote:Y’all let the white fascists turn this thread into an immigrants vs. Blacks debate just like they always want you to do. This is a song about white good old boys in the South whining that they are powerless in the dumbass society and economy that they intentionally created to keep Blacks and immigrants down.
Good grief you are ignorant.
It is essentially a song about how the government doesn't actually work for the people. And, he is right.
Maybe, just maybe, it's about these white men complaining that the government isn't giving them enough handouts..which they voted for
Anonymous wrote:It’s “scary” because he’s been brainwashed into thinking that taxes and government what’s hurting him. The LACK of government programs FOR HIM is what’s hurting him. The people who avoid taxes, such as industrial farm conglomerates aided and abetted by bought and paid for congressmen are what’s hurting him.
And the welfare dig sounds like a dog whistle to me.
You are part of the problem, frankly. He doesn't need nor does he want government programs. He wants to be left alone by the government. As do many of us.
He is complaining about the WAY our tax dollars are being spent. No accountability for welfare. Our youth are dying from fentanyl and little to no effort to stop the drugs from coming to our country. Our hard earned money going to foreign countries in the BILLIONS, if not TRILLIONS, and we have people here who have no homes and no food.
He's not been "brainwashed" at all. He has lived it. He has seen the waste of tax money. He speaks for millions.
Nice contradiction.
"He doesn't need or want government programs" -- yet he complains that tax dollars are being spent on foreign aid when "we have people here who have no homes and no food."
Anonymous wrote:It’s “scary” because he’s been brainwashed into thinking that taxes and government what’s hurting him. The LACK of government programs FOR HIM is what’s hurting him. The people who avoid taxes, such as industrial farm conglomerates aided and abetted by bought and paid for congressmen are what’s hurting him.
And the welfare dig sounds like a dog whistle to me.
You are part of the problem, frankly. He doesn't need nor does he want government programs. He wants to be left alone by the government. As do many of us.
He is complaining about the WAY our tax dollars are being spent. No accountability for welfare. Our youth are dying from fentanyl and little to no effort to stop the drugs from coming to our country. Our hard earned money going to foreign countries in the BILLIONS, if not TRILLIONS, and we have people here who have no homes and no food.
He's not been "brainwashed" at all. He has lived it. He has seen the waste of tax money. He speaks for millions.
Nice contradiction.
"He doesn't need or want government programs" -- yet he complains that tax dollars are being spent on foreign aid when "we have people here who have no homes and no food."
It’s only help for the “right” poor people he wants. Just like we’re only supposed to feel bad for the “right” drug addicts and the “right” perpetrators of gun violence if we read the poster on law enforcement and libraries.
Anonymous wrote:It’s “scary” because he’s been brainwashed into thinking that taxes and government what’s hurting him. The LACK of government programs FOR HIM is what’s hurting him. The people who avoid taxes, such as industrial farm conglomerates aided and abetted by bought and paid for congressmen are what’s hurting him.
And the welfare dig sounds like a dog whistle to me.
You are part of the problem, frankly. He doesn't need nor does he want government programs. He wants to be left alone by the government. As do many of us.
He is complaining about the WAY our tax dollars are being spent. No accountability for welfare. Our youth are dying from fentanyl and little to no effort to stop the drugs from coming to our country. Our hard earned money going to foreign countries in the BILLIONS, if not TRILLIONS, and we have people here who have no homes and no food.
He's not been "brainwashed" at all. He has lived it. He has seen the waste of tax money. He speaks for millions.
Nice contradiction.
"He doesn't need or want government programs" -- yet he complains that tax dollars are being spent on foreign aid when "we have people here who have no homes and no food."
How can he simultaneously be complaining about people here who have no food and simultaneously complain about people here with grocery carts loaded up and being paid for with foodstamps? Schroedinger's shopping cart - simultaneously empty and full of food at the same time.
And as for "obesity" and "but that food stamp shopping cart is full of junk food" again you can blame the Republicans, who had a complete freakout and meltdown when Michele Obama suggested trying to get kids on to healthier foods and to get them off of junk foods that lead to obesity, including all of the right wing's ever-ubiquitous and typical self-destructive "stick it to the man" statements that followed like Sarah Palin defiantly raising a 64oz Big Gulp full of corn syrup juice.
Some of you on the right seem to be VERY FORGETFUL of this stuff. Some of you on the right seem to LACK THE GREY MATTER to connect the obvious dots on these things.
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