My take on US Youth Soccer coaches specifically in the DMV

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ransom thoughts. Lived in Europe. The difference is the curriculum. At u-6 to U-9 child’s coach worked all technical. In the US that would not be considered ‘fun.’ In Europe, Parents didn’t even show up to games at those ages because they said there were no tactics - that comes at U12 apparently. Americans care about winning to justify the expense. What I see here are great athletes but limited technical skill and no feel for what’s actually going on. In Europe the skilled players pass. Here it’s the goal scorers who get all the attention. Also most of child’s team never watched soccer...oh and did I mention it was 1/6 the cost? Only one exception in three years of travel soccer here: McLean soccer. We were in Maryland so it’s not child’s team but McLean soccer had that combination of children with technical skill and tactics. Classic Barcelona style of play. Guessing all State Department kids...

Planning a kidnapping?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure the point. The price tag is fairly low for the level of service provided. I get your point OP on the fact that the coaching could be limited and based only on what the coach knows. That is true in every sport. But the price is about right for what is provided. Would you pay the coach less? I don't think that is fair for the time involved.

Imagine paying $3000 a year in total only to find out he has no idea how to coach back line players

imagine paying 3k a year for 3 1 hour plus practices a week, games every weekend that require the coach to travel as well as tournaments that may require the coach to travel overnight and then expecting Pep. You get what you pay for and youth soccer coaching doesn't pay much

[Anonymous]

These coaches are barely worth $3k a year, let alone the 15 thousand

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you ever notice how rare it is to see a team be able to play positional football? Most American coaches don’t coach it because they don’t understand it, let alone how to coach it.

They don’t study the game, they apply what they know. Sure, they like Barça but they’ll never introduce total football. I’ve been counseled by my technical director for using different formations for a team I used to coach. We used 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 3-4-3, 3-3-1-3, 4-1-3-2. The one day he shows up to watch (girls team, of course he rarely came out) we were cruising. Girls were connecting and attacking with creativity; rarely saw the same attack twice. TD even said “oh wow they’re all over them”. When I gave the lineup for 2nd half, he cut me off and put them in a 4-3-3 and TOLD THEM to find the wingers.

He didn’t understand the way they were attacking and changed it so he could coach. Went from doing well to not having fun and no chances. Absolute disgrace. Once he left I changed it back and we kept shooting, scoring.

Say what? The TD took over the coaching of your team? Is he OK with you taking over for the refs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The coaching license courses are also very far from any type of proper function. The D course is useless because the C course will teach conflicting material. The B course is basically adding to the racket; there’s no statistical instruction, no analytical instruction, and essentially it’s who agrees with the instructor. I don’t understand how this is so upsetting to some. The most “technical director” do for “continuing education” out here is show what they do in training maybe once a year.

Kid played for a coach as a guest player in a tournament. He had gotten certification. If I had 5 minutes to coach the team, they would have won the tournament. Just a major deficiency that I was surprised the coach didn't address.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The coaching license courses are also very far from any type of proper function. The D course is useless because the C course will teach conflicting material. The B course is basically adding to the racket; there’s no statistical instruction, no analytical instruction, and essentially it’s who agrees with the instructor. I don’t understand how this is so upsetting to some. The most “technical director” do for “continuing education” out here is show what they do in training maybe once a year.

Kid played for a coach as a guest player in a tournament. He had gotten certification. If I had 5 minutes to coach the team, they would have won the tournament. Just a major deficiency that I was surprised the coach didn't address.

So why don’t you coach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pathetic. Stop whining, and if you’re so disappointed get out there and coach yourself.

OP here, I am a coach. I’d like to explain to you again: most coaches “teaching” travel soccer in the DMV are molding their players into the way their coach played. There are some exceptions but the overall lack of knowledge and professionalism is pretty sad. The evaluations are entirely subjective, the players selections are extremely biased and over the period of 2 hours. For girls it’s worse: if your DD is not good friends (or even worse disliked) with the best player then she’s not part of the team. Don’t believe me? Next time there is a tryout, ask to see the “notes” they are took of your dear child. More than half of the time they don’t even bring out rosters.

The coaching license courses are also very far from any type of proper function. The D course is useless because the C course will teach conflicting material. The B course is basically adding to the racket; there’s no statistical instruction, no analytical instruction, and essentially it’s who agrees with the instructor. I don’t understand how this is so upsetting to some. The most “technical director” do for “continuing education” out here is show what they do in training maybe once a year.

If soccer within our culture is far behind Europe, why would anybody not think coaching is the same way? How many directors does your club have? Ask to see their development plans. How many of your clubs prioritizes development? Ask to see their formula for age group, team, child. You think they plan their sessions? Ask to see their plans. You people are paying thousands of dollars for nothing. It’s a racket.

If you want some free advice:
- if your coach has ever brushed off your child by telling them “just go home and juggle” or “just play some wall ball”, you’re sustaining the racket.
- if you have a older DD and your club is doing nothing to prevent ACL injuries, you’re sustaining the racket
- ever notice the trainings are always technical warmup, possession, play? Sustaining the racket

This thread is spilling out some COLD TRUTHS!

[Anonymous]

In europe, clubs are measured by how many youth players are signed to professional academies (clubs with pro teams at the top of the pyramid).

The second question is, did the player eventually get promoted to the reserves / U23 team or the first team? what was the value of their contract?

Measure ANY club around here like that and they will give you a blank look... well we have kids who play in college!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In europe, clubs are measured by how many youth players are signed to professional academies (clubs with pro teams at the top of the pyramid).

The second question is, did the player eventually get promoted to the reserves / U23 team or the first team? what was the value of their contract?

Measure ANY club around here like that and they will give you a blank look... well we have kids who play in college!!!

The average MLS salary is around $52K. The average NWSL is around $40K. The average salary of an entry level position with a college degree is around $54K. Hence, most parents are using soccer to get their DC into good/reputable colleges. Hence, clubs use college soccer, particularly D1 soccer, as a measure of their success. Unlike Football, basketball and baseball where the average salary is in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In europe, clubs are measured by how many youth players are signed to professional academies (clubs with pro teams at the top of the pyramid).

The second question is, did the player eventually get promoted to the reserves / U23 team or the first team? what was the value of their contract?

Measure ANY club around here like that and they will give you a blank look... well we have kids who play in college!!!

The average MLS salary is around $52K. The average NWSL is around $40K. The average salary of an entry level position with a college degree is around $54K. Hence, most parents are using soccer to get their DC into good/reputable colleges. Hence, clubs use college soccer, particularly D1 soccer, as a measure of their success. Unlike Football, basketball and baseball where the average salary is in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.

This, I would consider DD getting into a college that would otherwise be a massive reach a much more successful outcome (if you measure in those terms, we pay because she loves it and really expect nothing to come from it) that being a reserve player for the DC spirit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In europe, clubs are measured by how many youth players are signed to professional academies (clubs with pro teams at the top of the pyramid).

The second question is, did the player eventually get promoted to the reserves / U23 team or the first team? what was the value of their contract?

Measure ANY club around here like that and they will give you a blank look... well we have kids who play in college!!!

The average MLS salary is around $52K. The average NWSL is around $40K. The average salary of an entry level position with a college degree is around $54K. Hence, most parents are using soccer to get their DC into good/reputable colleges. Hence, clubs use college soccer, particularly D1 soccer, as a measure of their success. Unlike Football, basketball and baseball where the average salary is in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.

That average is with the USSF-subsidized salary for all members of the USWNT correct? To my understanding they're subsidized $33,000 and the Canadian federation players are subsidized $27,500.

I also see the NWSL player minimum is $22,000 while the maximum is $52,5000 and the team cap is $682,500.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The coaching license courses are also very far from any type of proper function. The D course is useless because the C course will teach conflicting material. The B course is basically adding to the racket; there’s no statistical instruction, no analytical instruction, and essentially it’s who agrees with the instructor. I don’t understand how this is so upsetting to some. The most “technical director” do for “continuing education” out here is show what they do in training maybe once a year.

Kid played for a coach as a guest player in a tournament. He had gotten certification. If I had 5 minutes to coach the team, they would have won the tournament. Just a major deficiency that I was surprised the coach didn't address.

So why don’t you coach?

We would win everything and that would not be fair to the other teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In europe, clubs are measured by how many youth players are signed to professional academies (clubs with pro teams at the top of the pyramid).

The second question is, did the player eventually get promoted to the reserves / U23 team or the first team? what was the value of their contract?

Measure ANY club around here like that and they will give you a blank look... well we have kids who play in college!!!

The average MLS salary is around $52K. The average NWSL is around $40K. The average salary of an entry level position with a college degree is around $54K. Hence, most parents are using soccer to get their DC into good/reputable colleges. Hence, clubs use college soccer, particularly D1 soccer, as a measure of their success. Unlike Football, basketball and baseball where the average salary is in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.

That average is with the USSF-subsidized salary for all members of the USWNT correct? To my understanding they're subsidized $33,000 and the Canadian federation players are subsidized $27,500.

I also see the NWSL player minimum is $22,000 while the maximum is $52,5000 and the team cap is $682,500.

Contracted players have a base pay of $100,000 per year. There are also at least 22 players who are allocated to National Women's Soccer League teams. Tier 1 players -- of which there must be at least 11 -- make an additional $67,500 per year, while the Tier 2 players make $62,500 per year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In europe, clubs are measured by how many youth players are signed to professional academies (clubs with pro teams at the top of the pyramid).

The second question is, did the player eventually get promoted to the reserves / U23 team or the first team? what was the value of their contract?

Measure ANY club around here like that and they will give you a blank look... well we have kids who play in college!!!

The average MLS salary is around $52K. The average NWSL is around $40K. The average salary of an entry level position with a college degree is around $54K. Hence, most parents are using soccer to get their DC into good/reputable colleges. Hence, clubs use college soccer, particularly D1 soccer, as a measure of their success. Unlike Football, basketball and baseball where the average salary is in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.

That average is with the USSF-subsidized salary for all members of the USWNT correct? To my understanding they're subsidized $33,000 and the Canadian federation players are subsidized $27,500.

I also see the NWSL player minimum is $22,000 while the maximum is $52,5000 and the team cap is $682,500.

Contracted players have a base pay of $100,000 per year. There are also at least 22 players who are allocated to National Women's Soccer League teams. Tier 1 players -- of which there must be at least 11 -- make an additional $67,500 per year, while the Tier 2 players make $62,500 per year.

and take a look at how long they play. My brother played pro 2-years post-college.

I was a straight A honor student on top team in the country where most of my teammates got scholarships to D1 schools. Nobody went into the pros, nor had that desire.

A bunch are lawyers, engineers, etc. Starting salaries much, much better and so are the retirement plans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In europe, clubs are measured by how many youth players are signed to professional academies (clubs with pro teams at the top of the pyramid).

The second question is, did the player eventually get promoted to the reserves / U23 team or the first team? what was the value of their contract?

Measure ANY club around here like that and they will give you a blank look... well we have kids who play in college!!!

The average MLS salary is around $52K. The average NWSL is around $40K. The average salary of an entry level position with a college degree is around $54K. Hence, most parents are using soccer to get their DC into good/reputable colleges. Hence, clubs use college soccer, particularly D1 soccer, as a measure of their success. Unlike Football, basketball and baseball where the average salary is in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.

That average is with the USSF-subsidized salary for all members of the USWNT correct? To my understanding they're subsidized $33,000 and the Canadian federation players are subsidized $27,500.

I also see the NWSL player minimum is $22,000 while the maximum is $52,5000 and the team cap is $682,500.

Contracted players have a base pay of $100,000 per year. There are also at least 22 players who are allocated to National Women's Soccer League teams. Tier 1 players -- of which there must be at least 11 -- make an additional $67,500 per year, while the Tier 2 players make $62,500 per year.

and take a look at how long they play. My brother played pro 2-years post-college.

I was a straight A honor student on top team in the country where most of my teammates got scholarships to D1 schools. Nobody went into the pros, nor had that desire.

A bunch are lawyers, engineers, etc. Starting salaries much, much better and so are the retirement plans

Did your wife marry and procreate for love?