If your junior had a significant improvement in grade this year...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Everyone bring something to the table that impacts the bottom line. A URM first Gen brings diversity to the schools admit number. UMC white and Asian kids from the DamV bring string scores and the ability to be full pay or close.

Do you even see your assumptions and bias in this statement?

Yep. And it sucks. But as long as there is a finite pool of qualified URM and first gen candidates, and USNWR ranks based on percent of pell grants (higher is better) and elite schools advertise kids from every state and 31 nations, plus 30% URM and Wp% first Gen on their website (which they do), there is going to be pressure to admit every URM with even a chance of succeeding. Because UrM and low income are metrics rankers and parents and kids (and sometime the state legislature for state schools) consider. Amd it’s easier to admit a 3.8 not SAT than a 3.8 1200 sAT, especially for SLAC, where a few low SATs can throw off the whole average— again used by USNWR.

It’s not a secret that URM needs 100 points lower than a white student and 100 plus points more than URM. If you can not report the score, your average goes up. Look now further than what Vat has been up to lately.

Colleges want holistic admissions. Well, that’s how the game is played with holistic admissions when USNWR. Colleges can admit the kids they want/need to design the perfect class— and not worry about keeping SAT average up.

No one is stopping these schools from going race blind. That would be my preference. But, that’s not reality.

Besides, the biggest winner of not having to post an SAT score is legacies (white) and athletics (often predominately white, except the football team).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the op touched a nerve in someone who is 100% hoping for elite admissions without test scores.

Actually, sounds like exactly the opposite. The OP clearly has a striver kid who is gunning for the Ivies. OP seems extremely threatened by anyone going test optional and possibly *gasp* getting admitted over her snowflake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s clear someone is trying their best to discredit kids who were virtual this year. The insecurity is so pathetic.

feeling guilty?

About what? You’re making yourself look more ridiculous with every paranoid post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you have any evidence that there are lots of kids who “significantly” improved their grades because of virtual learning?

Also, this class had half of their 6 semesters virtual. Hard to know whether they would have improved anyway. And agree that test scores should be submitted.

I have a friend who made it her full time job to do her junior’s homework and tests. No joke. This kid has straight As and didn’t do a thing.

In my daughter’s experience, a lot of friends were cheating by using facetime and texting during tests. One friend got caught cheating on tests, submitting the same paper as a friend twice, etc and still got an A. The regular level classes made it very easy to cheat because they give standard multiple choice tests, but in the IB classes, every test given is an essay test and there is really no way to cheat, so grades were pretty normal.

Your “friend” sounds like an outlier. My kid has been working her butt off all year in virtual classes. She has a mix of grades and earned every one of them, including the As.

Really sick of this insinuation that kids with As must have cheated. Perhaps yours did. That’s all you need to worry about.

If your kid doesn’t have straight As that are a stark contrast to the rest of their academic record, no one is even talking to you. Chill.

+ 1. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

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I have a friend who made it her full time job to do her junior’s homework and tests. No joke. This kid has straight As and didn’t do a thing.

In my daughter’s experience, a lot of friends were cheating by using facetime and texting during tests. One friend got caught cheating on tests, submitting the same paper as a friend twice, etc and still got an A. The regular level classes made it very easy to cheat because they give standard multiple choice tests, but in the IB classes, every test given is an essay test and there is really no way to cheat, so grades were pretty normal.

Wow!! I mean most people cannot even teach their kids basic stuff in middle school. If this woman can do homework and tests she must be amazing. My kid took AP Chem, Calc BC, French last year and was also doing programming last year. There is no way I could do all of that for him. Hats off to the mom who was doing 11th graders work!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the op touched a nerve in someone who is 100% hoping for elite admissions without test scores.

Actually, sounds like exactly the opposite. The OP clearly has a striver kid who is gunning for the Ivies. OP seems extremely threatened by anyone going test optional and possibly *gasp* getting admitted over her snowflake.

Eh...there is a different poster on this thread that seems very defensive of their test optional stance and very offended by any suggestion that the best strategy is to submit test scores

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Everyone bring something to the table that impacts the bottom line. A URM first Gen brings diversity to the schools admit number. UMC white and Asian kids from the DamV bring string scores and the ability to be full pay or close.

Do you even see your assumptions and bias in this statement?

Yep. And it sucks. But as long as there is a finite pool of qualified URM and first gen candidates, and USNWR ranks based on percent of pell grants (higher is better) and elite schools advertise kids from every state and 31 nations, plus 30% URM and Wp% first Gen on their website (which they do), there is going to be pressure to admit every URM with even a chance of succeeding. Because UrM and low income are metrics rankers and parents and kids (and sometime the state legislature for state schools) consider. Amd it’s easier to admit a 3.8 not SAT than a 3.8 1200 sAT, especially for SLAC, where a few low SATs can throw off the whole average— again used by USNWR.

It’s not a secret that URM needs 100 points lower than a white student and 100 plus points more than URM. If you can not report the score, your average goes up. Look now further than what Vat has been up to lately.

Colleges want holistic admissions. Well, that’s how the game is played with holistic admissions when USNWR. Colleges can admit the kids they want/need to design the perfect class— and not worry about keeping SAT average up.

No one is stopping these schools from going race blind. That would be my preference. But, that’s not reality.

Besides, the biggest winner of not having to post an SAT score is legacies (white) and athletics (often predominately white, except the football team).

The only basketball team I can think of that is predominately white is Iowa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Everyone bring something to the table that impacts the bottom line. A URM first Gen brings diversity to the schools admit number. UMC white and Asian kids from the DamV bring string scores and the ability to be full pay or close.

Do you even see your assumptions and bias in this statement?

Yep. And it sucks. But as long as there is a finite pool of qualified URM and first gen candidates, and USNWR ranks based on percent of pell grants (higher is better) and elite schools advertise kids from every state and 31 nations, plus 30% URM and Wp% first Gen on their website (which they do), there is going to be pressure to admit every URM with even a chance of succeeding. Because UrM and low income are metrics rankers and parents and kids (and sometime the state legislature for state schools) consider. Amd it’s easier to admit a 3.8 not SAT than a 3.8 1200 sAT, especially for SLAC, where a few low SATs can throw off the whole average— again used by USNWR.

It’s not a secret that URM needs 100 points lower than a white student and 100 plus points more than URM. If you can not report the score, your average goes up. Look now further than what Vat has been up to lately.

Colleges want holistic admissions. Well, that’s how the game is played with holistic admissions when USNWR. Colleges can admit the kids they want/need to design the perfect class— and not worry about keeping SAT average up.

No one is stopping these schools from going race blind. That would be my preference. But, that’s not reality.

Besides, the biggest winner of not having to post an SAT score is legacies (white) and athletics (often predominately white, except the football team).

The only basketball team I can think of that is predominately white is Iowa.

Incorrect
https://hawkeyesports.com/sports/mbball/roster/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the op touched a nerve in someone who is 100% hoping for elite admissions without test scores.

Actually, sounds like exactly the opposite. The OP clearly has a striver kid who is gunning for the Ivies. OP seems extremely threatened by anyone going test optional and possibly *gasp* getting admitted over her snowflake.

Eh...there is a different poster on this thread that seems very defensive of their test optional stance and very offended by any suggestion that the best strategy is to submit test scores

There are also a couple of posters who keep repeating things like “now you have no excuse not to test,” etc. - as if any excuse is needed. Some very good students simply don’t test well, period. Glad there is an option not to submit scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1
major red flag for a rising senior to have earned a 4.0 during virtual learning when they did not before

I disagree. My kid was finally able to focus without all the distractions that come with in-person school. Not to mention a long commute to and from. We’re happy that in-person school will resume this fall because our daughter sorely missed her friends and social interaction, but her grades were a lot better without all of that.

+1,000
My kid is ready to go back, but even he admits that he was much more able to focus and get good grades while at home. There’s definitely something to be said for homeschooling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the op touched a nerve in someone who is 100% hoping for elite admissions without test scores.

Actually, sounds like exactly the opposite. The OP clearly has a striver kid who is gunning for the Ivies. OP seems extremely threatened by anyone going test optional and possibly *gasp* getting admitted over her snowflake.

Eh...there is a different poster on this thread that seems very defensive of their test optional stance and very offended by any suggestion that the best strategy is to submit test scores

There are also a couple of posters who keep repeating things like “now you have no excuse not to test,” etc. - as if any excuse is needed. Some very good students simply don’t test well, period. Glad there is an option not to submit scores.

Kids who don’t test well also have trouble with tests given in HS and their grades reflect that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the op touched a nerve in someone who is 100% hoping for elite admissions without test scores.

Actually, sounds like exactly the opposite. The OP clearly has a striver kid who is gunning for the Ivies. OP seems extremely threatened by anyone going test optional and possibly *gasp* getting admitted over her snowflake.

Eh...there is a different poster on this thread that seems very defensive of their test optional stance and very offended by any suggestion that the best strategy is to submit test scores

There are also a couple of posters who keep repeating things like “now you have no excuse not to test,” etc. - as if any excuse is needed. Some very good students simply don’t test well, period. Glad there is an option not to submit scores.

Kids who don’t test well also have trouble with tests given in HS and their grades reflect that.

Not at all. Many high school tests are essay-based, not standardized. My kid rocks those and her grades reflect it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Everyone bring something to the table that impacts the bottom line. A URM first Gen brings diversity to the schools admit number. UMC white and Asian kids from the DamV bring string scores and the ability to be full pay or close.

Do you even see your assumptions and bias in this statement?

Yep. And it sucks. But as long as there is a finite pool of qualified URM and first gen candidates, and USNWR ranks based on percent of pell grants (higher is better) and elite schools advertise kids from every state and 31 nations, plus 30% URM and Wp% first Gen on their website (which they do), there is going to be pressure to admit every URM with even a chance of succeeding. Because UrM and low income are metrics rankers and parents and kids (and sometime the state legislature for state schools) consider. Amd it’s easier to admit a 3.8 not SAT than a 3.8 1200 sAT, especially for SLAC, where a few low SATs can throw off the whole average— again used by USNWR.

It’s not a secret that URM needs 100 points lower than a white student and 100 plus points more than URM. If you can not report the score, your average goes up. Look now further than what Vat has been up to lately.

Colleges want holistic admissions. Well, that’s how the game is played with holistic admissions when USNWR. Colleges can admit the kids they want/need to design the perfect class— and not worry about keeping SAT average up.

No one is stopping these schools from going race blind. That would be my preference. But, that’s not reality.

Besides, the biggest winner of not having to post an SAT score is legacies (white) and athletics (often predominately white, except the football team).

The only basketball team I can think of that is predominately white is Iowa.

Incorrect
https://hawkeyesports.com/sports/mbball/roster/

Wow, that's quite a change from last year's (2020-21) roster! I stand corrected on Iowa specifically--but I will say that now Iowa is more consistent with most Div 1 basketball teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't colleges just look at overall GPA? I don't think they have time to weed through every detail from 9th on...
I believe every school has a minimum GPA and if you have it you have a chance.

UVA says that they don’t look at GPA and instead look at each year separately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the op touched a nerve in someone who is 100% hoping for elite admissions without test scores.

Actually, sounds like exactly the opposite. The OP clearly has a striver kid who is gunning for the Ivies. OP seems extremely threatened by anyone going test optional and possibly *gasp* getting admitted over her snowflake.

Eh...there is a different poster on this thread that seems very defensive of their test optional stance and very offended by any suggestion that the best strategy is to submit test scores

There are also a couple of posters who keep repeating things like “now you have no excuse not to test,” etc. - as if any excuse is needed. Some very good students simply don’t test well, period. Glad there is an option not to submit scores.

Sure, but if the test is offered for free during school, refusing to report the score is like reporting a P instead of a grade in a core class. Colleges assume the unreported grade is a D and the unreported SAT score is 25% or worse.