Let's keep the outdoor dining, the streets reserved for walking, and the new bike lanes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alas, people have to get to work again, and not everyone can ride a bike or walk to work.

Maybe we should allow continued teleworking for those whose jobs are suitable - I'm certainly not excited to drive into DC to do the exact same work I'm doing at home now. Win-wim!

The city is soooo much more livable without the commuters’ traffic and annoyance. Keeping my fingers crossed the stay tw!

But you also need a tax base to have a livable city. And you know who doesn’t ride a bike to work? People who make a lot of money. It takes A LOT of non profit workers and GS-9s on bikes to make up for the law firm/lobbyists/financial services folks who support the rest of you. You screw up their commute and this city won’t be so livable. Enjoy your bikes though. And yes, I know you know one high paid lobbyist who rides a bike.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alas, people have to get to work again, and not everyone can ride a bike or walk to work.

Maybe we should allow continued teleworking for those whose jobs are suitable - I'm certainly not excited to drive into DC to do the exact same work I'm doing at home now. Win-wim!

The city is soooo much more livable without the commuters’ traffic and annoyance. Keeping my fingers crossed the stay tw!

But you also need a tax base to have a livable city. And you know who doesn’t ride a bike to work? People who make a lot of money. It takes A LOT of non profit workers and GS-9s on bikes to make up for the law firm/lobbyists/financial services folks who support the rest of you. You screw up their commute and this city won’t be so livable. Enjoy your bikes though. And yes, I know you know one high paid lobbyist who rides a bike.

We have to design the city around the perceived desires of the 1%? Nah.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alas, people have to get to work again, and not everyone can ride a bike or walk to work.

Maybe we should allow continued teleworking for those whose jobs are suitable - I'm certainly not excited to drive into DC to do the exact same work I'm doing at home now. Win-wim!

The city is soooo much more livable without the commuters’ traffic and annoyance. Keeping my fingers crossed the stay tw!

But you also need a tax base to have a livable city. And you know who doesn’t ride a bike to work? People who make a lot of money. It takes A LOT of non profit workers and GS-9s on bikes to make up for the law firm/lobbyists/financial services folks who support the rest of you. You screw up their commute and this city won’t be so livable. Enjoy your bikes though. And yes, I know you know one high paid lobbyist who rides a bike.

We have to design the city around the perceived desires of the 1%? Nah.

It’s not the desires of the 1%. It’s the desire of the City to spend money. The City can’t stay afloat by catering to bike riders that eat at food trucks for lunch in the park. But you do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alas, people have to get to work again, and not everyone can ride a bike or walk to work.

Maybe we should allow continued teleworking for those whose jobs are suitable - I'm certainly not excited to drive into DC to do the exact same work I'm doing at home now. Win-wim!

The city is soooo much more livable without the commuters’ traffic and annoyance. Keeping my fingers crossed the stay tw!

But you also need a tax base to have a livable city. And you know who doesn’t ride a bike to work? People who make a lot of money. It takes A LOT of non profit workers and GS-9s on bikes to make up for the law firm/lobbyists/financial services folks who support the rest of you. You screw up their commute and this city won’t be so livable. Enjoy your bikes though. And yes, I know you know one high paid lobbyist who rides a bike.

I know plenty of high paid lobbyists, law partners etc who ride their bikes to work ... On Saturdays, you can also find us riding MacArthur Blvd to Poolesville and back. Good stuff (and on weekdays, it really is the best way to commute).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things:

If they keep dining in the curb lane on some major streets, they are going to have to do better than Jersey barriers, which are not just ugly, but also very unsafe to motorists without a transition and cushioning barriers. Second, as traffic rebounds, there has to be so,e consideration of road capacity and traffic diversion from the resulting constraints placed on major thoroughfare carrying capacity.

The rationale was to provide outdoor seating space due to indoor dining restrictions. Now that those restrictions have lifted, so has the rationale. I think as the summer goes on we will slowly see things return to pre-pandemic conditions. Otherwise the problem will be that businesses will complain that their customers cannot get there due to traffic jams.

or the lack of street parking, which is significant for restaurants where there are few commercial garages nearby,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things:

If they keep dining in the curb lane on some major streets, they are going to have to do better than Jersey barriers, which are not just ugly, but also very unsafe to motorists without a transition and cushioning barriers. Second, as traffic rebounds, there has to be so,e consideration of road capacity and traffic diversion from the resulting constraints placed on major thoroughfare carrying capacity.

The rationale was to provide outdoor seating space due to indoor dining restrictions. Now that those restrictions have lifted, so has the rationale. I think as the summer goes on we will slowly see things return to pre-pandemic conditions. Otherwise the problem will be that businesses will complain that their customers cannot get there due to traffic jams.

The streeteries sure don't look like the restaurant customers can't get there...

If Jersey barriers are unsafe for motorists on low-speed streets in cities and urbanized suburbs, only imagine how unsafe they must be on high-speed limited-access highways like the Beltway and 270!

The safety issue is not so much where the barriers are completely parallel to the flow of traffic. Where barriers are unsafe is when they present a sharp edge or a perpendicular barrier to a driver that may not notice the sudden transition or does not maintain control of the vehicle at all times. This is why barriers installed at exit ramps typically have sand barrels or other crash guards. DC is so laissez faire about safety that they have let establishments install barriers that suddenly appear in a travel lane on a major arterial. A driver who is not paying attention or driving even a little fast could have a devastating crash in hitting concrete straight on. It's possible that the vehicle could flip up over the barrier, endangering pedestrians and diners. That's why DC needs to figure out a better system, with block-long lane closures, low-impact planters, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things:

If they keep dining in the curb lane on some major streets, they are going to have to do better than Jersey barriers, which are not just ugly, but also very unsafe to motorists without a transition and cushioning barriers. Second, as traffic rebounds, there has to be so,e consideration of road capacity and traffic diversion from the resulting constraints placed on major thoroughfare carrying capacity.

The rationale was to provide outdoor seating space due to indoor dining restrictions. Now that those restrictions have lifted, so has the rationale. I think as the summer goes on we will slowly see things return to pre-pandemic conditions. Otherwise the problem will be that businesses will complain that their customers cannot get there due to traffic jams.

The streeteries sure don't look like the restaurant customers can't get there...

If Jersey barriers are unsafe for motorists on low-speed streets in cities and urbanized suburbs, only imagine how unsafe they must be on high-speed limited-access highways like the Beltway and 270!

The safety issue is not so much where the barriers are completely parallel to the flow of traffic. Where barriers are unsafe is when they present a sharp edge or a perpendicular barrier to a driver that may not notice the sudden transition or does not maintain control of the vehicle at all times. This is why barriers installed at exit ramps typically have sand barrels or other crash guards. DC is so laissez faire about safety that they have let establishments install barriers that suddenly appear in a travel lane on a major arterial. A driver who is not paying attention or driving even a little fast could have a devastating crash in hitting concrete straight on. It's possible that the vehicle could flip up over the barrier, endangering pedestrians and diners. That's why DC needs to figure out a better system, with block-long lane closures, low-impact planters, etc.

Drivers are so unsafe that we should...

...bend over backwards to allow them to continue their reckless carnage?

Or

... Limit their speed (speed governor) and areas of operation to only safe levels. You can just go ahead and skip to a golf cart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things:

If they keep dining in the curb lane on some major streets, they are going to have to do better than Jersey barriers, which are not just ugly, but also very unsafe to motorists without a transition and cushioning barriers. Second, as traffic rebounds, there has to be so,e consideration of road capacity and traffic diversion from the resulting constraints placed on major thoroughfare carrying capacity.

The rationale was to provide outdoor seating space due to indoor dining restrictions. Now that those restrictions have lifted, so has the rationale. I think as the summer goes on we will slowly see things return to pre-pandemic conditions. Otherwise the problem will be that businesses will complain that their customers cannot get there due to traffic jams.

The streeteries sure don't look like the restaurant customers can't get there...

If Jersey barriers are unsafe for motorists on low-speed streets in cities and urbanized suburbs, only imagine how unsafe they must be on high-speed limited-access highways like the Beltway and 270!

The safety issue is not so much where the barriers are completely parallel to the flow of traffic. Where barriers are unsafe is when they present a sharp edge or a perpendicular barrier to a driver that may not notice the sudden transition or does not maintain control of the vehicle at all times. This is why barriers installed at exit ramps typically have sand barrels or other crash guards. DC is so laissez faire about safety that they have let establishments install barriers that suddenly appear in a travel lane on a major arterial. A driver who is not paying attention or driving even a little fast could have a devastating crash in hitting concrete straight on. It's possible that the vehicle could flip up over the barrier, endangering pedestrians and diners. That's why DC needs to figure out a better system, with block-long lane closures, low-impact planters, etc.

OK, 20 mph speed limits on all streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things:

If they keep dining in the curb lane on some major streets, they are going to have to do better than Jersey barriers, which are not just ugly, but also very unsafe to motorists without a transition and cushioning barriers. Second, as traffic rebounds, there has to be so,e consideration of road capacity and traffic diversion from the resulting constraints placed on major thoroughfare carrying capacity.

The rationale was to provide outdoor seating space due to indoor dining restrictions. Now that those restrictions have lifted, so has the rationale. I think as the summer goes on we will slowly see things return to pre-pandemic conditions. Otherwise the problem will be that businesses will complain that their customers cannot get there due to traffic jams.

The streeteries sure don't look like the restaurant customers can't get there...

If Jersey barriers are unsafe for motorists on low-speed streets in cities and urbanized suburbs, only imagine how unsafe they must be on high-speed limited-access highways like the Beltway and 270!

The safety issue is not so much where the barriers are completely parallel to the flow of traffic. Where barriers are unsafe is when they present a sharp edge or a perpendicular barrier to a driver that may not notice the sudden transition or does not maintain control of the vehicle at all times. This is why barriers installed at exit ramps typically have sand barrels or other crash guards. DC is so laissez faire about safety that they have let establishments install barriers that suddenly appear in a travel lane on a major arterial. A driver who is not paying attention or driving even a little fast could have a devastating crash in hitting concrete straight on. It's possible that the vehicle could flip up over the barrier, endangering pedestrians and diners. That's why DC needs to figure out a better system, with block-long lane closures, low-impact planters, etc.

Drivers are so unsafe that we should...

...bend over backwards to allow them to continue their reckless carnage?

Or

... Limit their speed (speed governor) and areas of operation to only safe levels. You can just go ahead and skip to a golf cart.

Serious criminal penalties for careless driving that results in biker deaths

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alas, people have to get to work again, and not everyone can ride a bike or walk to work.

Maybe we should allow continued teleworking for those whose jobs are suitable - I'm certainly not excited to drive into DC to do the exact same work I'm doing at home now. Win-wim!

The city is soooo much more livable without the commuters’ traffic and annoyance. Keeping my fingers crossed the stay tw!

But you also need a tax base to have a livable city. And you know who doesn’t ride a bike to work? People who make a lot of money. It takes A LOT of non profit workers and GS-9s on bikes to make up for the law firm/lobbyists/financial services folks who support the rest of you. You screw up their commute and this city won’t be so livable. Enjoy your bikes though. And yes, I know you know one high paid lobbyist who rides a bike.

We have to design the city around the perceived desires of the 1%? Nah.

It’s not the desires of the 1%. It’s the desire of the City to spend money. The City can’t stay afloat by catering to bike riders that eat at food trucks for lunch in the park. But you do you.

Yeah, it is. You're saying that if the 1% don't get their way (or what you think their way is), they will take their ball and go somewhere else, and then the city will be doomed with just the tax revenue from the 99%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things:

If they keep dining in the curb lane on some major streets, they are going to have to do better than Jersey barriers, which are not just ugly, but also very unsafe to motorists without a transition and cushioning barriers. Second, as traffic rebounds, there has to be so,e consideration of road capacity and traffic diversion from the resulting constraints placed on major thoroughfare carrying capacity.

The rationale was to provide outdoor seating space due to indoor dining restrictions. Now that those restrictions have lifted, so has the rationale. I think as the summer goes on we will slowly see things return to pre-pandemic conditions. Otherwise the problem will be that businesses will complain that their customers cannot get there due to traffic jams.

or the lack of street parking, which is significant for restaurants where there are few commercial garages nearby,

Yup. The biggest advocates for street parking are restaurants and retail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things:

If they keep dining in the curb lane on some major streets, they are going to have to do better than Jersey barriers, which are not just ugly, but also very unsafe to motorists without a transition and cushioning barriers. Second, as traffic rebounds, there has to be so,e consideration of road capacity and traffic diversion from the resulting constraints placed on major thoroughfare carrying capacity.

The rationale was to provide outdoor seating space due to indoor dining restrictions. Now that those restrictions have lifted, so has the rationale. I think as the summer goes on we will slowly see things return to pre-pandemic conditions. Otherwise the problem will be that businesses will complain that their customers cannot get there due to traffic jams.

The streeteries sure don't look like the restaurant customers can't get there...

If Jersey barriers are unsafe for motorists on low-speed streets in cities and urbanized suburbs, only imagine how unsafe they must be on high-speed limited-access highways like the Beltway and 270!

You may want to count the number of tables in the streetery and then go and count the number of empty tables in each of the restaurants on that street.

[Anonymous]

I am not sure why people assume cyclists don't eat at restaurants or spend money on things. I mean, some of those bikes are $15k.

The bottom line is that restaurants are more likely to have cyclists support them than they are the MD commuter in a car trying to zip home to Iiamsville or whatever as quaickly as they can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things:

If they keep dining in the curb lane on some major streets, they are going to have to do better than Jersey barriers, which are not just ugly, but also very unsafe to motorists without a transition and cushioning barriers. Second, as traffic rebounds, there has to be so,e consideration of road capacity and traffic diversion from the resulting constraints placed on major thoroughfare carrying capacity.

The rationale was to provide outdoor seating space due to indoor dining restrictions. Now that those restrictions have lifted, so has the rationale. I think as the summer goes on we will slowly see things return to pre-pandemic conditions. Otherwise the problem will be that businesses will complain that their customers cannot get there due to traffic jams.

The streeteries sure don't look like the restaurant customers can't get there...

If Jersey barriers are unsafe for motorists on low-speed streets in cities and urbanized suburbs, only imagine how unsafe they must be on high-speed limited-access highways like the Beltway and 270!

The safety issue is not so much where the barriers are completely parallel to the flow of traffic. Where barriers are unsafe is when they present a sharp edge or a perpendicular barrier to a driver that may not notice the sudden transition or does not maintain control of the vehicle at all times. This is why barriers installed at exit ramps typically have sand barrels or other crash guards. DC is so laissez faire about safety that they have let establishments install barriers that suddenly appear in a travel lane on a major arterial. A driver who is not paying attention or driving even a little fast could have a devastating crash in hitting concrete straight on. It's possible that the vehicle could flip up over the barrier, endangering pedestrians and diners. That's why DC needs to figure out a better system, with block-long lane closures, low-impact planters, etc.

OK, 20 mph speed limits on all streets.

The problem is people don’t follow the speed limit. People regularly drive 40-50 MPH on the streets around my NW neighborhood, especially a night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why people assume cyclists don't eat at restaurants or spend money on things. I mean, some of those bikes are $15k.

The bottom line is that restaurants are more likely to have cyclists support them than they are the MD commuter in a car trying to zip home to Iiamsville or whatever as quaickly as they can.

Yes! When you're on a bike you're more likely to ride and shop locally. Studies over decade have shown that. The question is how much Amazon shipping is changing that usual narrative. I don't know.