If your flagship had auto-admit for top 6%
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Anonymous
+1, the whole point of this is affirmative action. I am a 2007 UT Grad who got In automatically based on class rank. Back then it was too 10% of the class for UT too. I went to a huge competitive public school in Plano, TX where the academics and competition where pretty high, but most of the people in my class weren’t aiming for UT but for the same Ivies the kids from here are aiming for. I actually was thinking of UT as the safety school, but when it came down to it, the tuition was just so low it didn’t make sense not to go there. As for the other Texas universities, outside of Texas A&M, most of them were not particularly competitive, at least back in the stone ages when I was applying. Also, the UT system schools (UTEP, UTSA, etc) used to have an automatic transfer program to UT if you met certain requirements. |
Anonymous
If you listen to the podcast, the girl who was admitted under the 10% plan to be a math major clearly said she didn't work very much at her high school. |
Anonymous
I think you didn't mean to say "I'll ask Yale for my law degree back tomorrow" but you meant to say "I'll give back my Yale law degree tomorrow" which, if you truly can and do, would be a boost for Yale's reputation. As for the country clubs being taxed in a special category: they are not in the US. The 3 links I provided proved that. The original point, which you are trying desperately to gish-gallop past, is that you have a bee-sting on your butt about colleges and you think that their tax exempt status gives you some right to determine their admissions policy. This is crazy and demonstrates your lack of a basic grasp of civics. Oh, and you clearly are NOT good at this. |
Anonymous
Why in the world won’t you just name the states you are talking about? It is hard to have a discussion without all the facts. |
Anonymous
| You want UVA to take more instate students? Make it larger! |
Anonymous
| Auto admit for top 6% of class with a minimum ACT of 32 or SAT of 1400. |
Anonymous
What does this mean? The point is that the SAT and ACT are inherently discriminatory. There are studies that show that those who perform lower are still able to handle the work when they are admitted. Their graduation rate is a little lower but that is often due to lack of family support or other issues. |
Anonymous
UVA is pathetic, it's one of the smallest flagstate schools in the nation compared to the number of HS students. I don't know why VA residents tolerate it. incoming... UVA booster claiming VA tEch and UVA are basically 1 university. 
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Anonymous
Perhaps UVA could be larger, but at some point you can't just keep stuffing more students into a campus (grounds). UT Austin has grown only slightly since about 1970 since it had already reached nearly 50,000 by that time and it is located in the middle of a large city. The states have to develop alternative campuses. In the case of Texas, Texas A&M, which has a huge amount of land, has grown to be the second largest school in the country with 68,000. Texas has also developed campuses like UT Dallas. |
Anonymous
Dean J has suggested that UVA is not the state’s flagship university. I don’t think VA, per se, claims to have one. VA has a variety of institutions. Everyone can find a place. No need to centralize everything at one school. In California, the UC system is considered the flagship. |
Anonymous
I don't think there is anything that designates UVA as the flagship in the state legislation or constitution. |
Anonymous
Historically, UVA and William and Mary have been considered the most selective options in Virginia. Combined, they have about 23,500 undergraduates, with about 2/3rds of that total, or about 15,500 in state. UNC Chapel Hill would be comparable for the State of North Carolina. It has 19,117 undergraduates, with 82%, or 15,675, coming from in-state. Since NC has about 23% more people than Virginia, you can't say Virginia has a very different model or comparatively few slots. UT Austin has 40,000 undergraduates but a state population 3.4X as large as Virginia. It actually has fewer spots there on a per capita basis than Virginia. |
Anonymous
This is correct. There are plenty of seats for Virginia students of all stripes at Virginia colleges. |
Anonymous
It's an interesting point. What is a flagship? I just googled it and wikipedia has five paragraphs of definitions.
Virginia Tech and Virginia State are land grant. I had never heard of "sea grant" or "space grant." UVA, W&M, Tech, and ODU are both sea grant and space grant. VCU and GMU are sea grant only. Hampton is space grant only. |
Anonymous
Expensive test prep is not the source of advantage on these tests. Studies show that expensive classes make about a 10 point difference and private tutoring makes no difference? That suggests these tests measure something real. Research also shows that high school grades are the single best predictor of college outcomes, but that GPA and test scores together are the best two-variable predictor of academic outcomes. Again, test scores appear to measure something real and unique. The argument over these tests is not about whether they measure something, but what do they measure. These tests are essentially IQ tests. IQ is not raw brain power OR accumulated knowledge; it’s both. Essentially, IQ measures how well one can operate in a cultural environment. So, back to the bias of college entrance tests. The notion is that underprivileged students are just as capable - i.e raw brain power - as privileged students, but they lack good environmental opportunities. For example, they don’t attend quality schools. Thus, the idea is that if underprivileged kids were exposed to great opportunities, they too could score and perform well. Ok, that’s all well and good. But here’s the rub: how is a selective college supposed to makeup for years of poor academic preparation while maintaining standards for kids who already achieve at the college’s standards? |