What don’t I know about Hamilton that I should?

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The pbs show about the making of hamilton was great.

My daughter read a bio of Eliza and liked it but I didn’t read it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that great. I know, I’m the only one but still it’s not that great.

It’s a decent work of art. It’s just that guilty rich white liberals created a stratospheric and undeserved level of hype around it.

The expert critique offered by users of DCUM. Unless you tell us why exactly you think it's "not that great" as eloquently as Miranda wrote the musical, respectfully STFU.

Yeah, okay. Time to take your meds, sweetie.

OK, sweetie. But you still haven't offered a single reason as to why "it's not so great."

DP. The PP owes you no explanation whatsoever. S/he didn’t like it, end of story. Why are Hamilton fans so rabid and defensive?

Of course it’s fine to not like it. I enjoy opera generally, but I’m not a Wagner fan. That’s different from saying the work is objectively “not great.”

Not really. Opinions are subjective. The PP feels it wasn’t great, and I agree. You are free to disagree, but that doesn’t make you right and us wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that great. I know, I’m the only one but still it’s not that great.

It’s a decent work of art. It’s just that guilty rich white liberals created a stratospheric and undeserved level of hype around it.

The expert critique offered by users of DCUM. Unless you tell us why exactly you think it's "not that great" as eloquently as Miranda wrote the musical, respectfully STFU.

Yeah, okay. Time to take your meds, sweetie.

OK, sweetie. But you still haven't offered a single reason as to why "it's not so great."

DP. The PP owes you no explanation whatsoever. S/he didn’t like it, end of story. Why are Hamilton fans so rabid and defensive?

Because of the sheer ludicrousness of saying Hamilton is “not that great.” That position is as absurd as saying “Trump isn’t that bad as President.”

Not sure what Trump has to do with this, but again - it’s all a matter of opinion. I find it ludicrous that some people fall all over themselves, insisting this is somehow a work of art. For me, it was like nails on a chalkboard - awful. People are allowed to have different tastes, you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s headache inducing. Lin Manuel Miranda is way over his head as a performer.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:The Hamiltons had eight children, and the oldest and youngest were both named Philip (the younger Philip was born after his brother had been killed in the duel).

Angelica sings, "My father has no son so I'm the one who has to social climb for one," but Philip Schuyler had 15 children, eight of whom survived to adulthood, including three sons.

Angelica's husband, John Church (with whom she eloped because her father disapproved of the match, and who became a British MP), also dueled with Aaron Burr, in 1799.

Alexander and Eliza adopted a child so they actually had nine. Her name was Fanny Antil

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Theodosia makes me cry every time I hear it.

Google the story of the loss of Theodosia. It's a fascinating rabbit hole I went down a few years ago, so I won't remember all the details now - she was on a ship from South Carolina to NY that never arrived. There are stories of Burr walking the waterway in NY looking for the ship to come in, and it never did.

There are relatively credible sources that say the ship was boarded by pirates off the outer banks, and varying accounts of her fate if that is true (killed, raped, dropped overboard, taken hostage and lived on in the Outer Banks, etc). It's haunting. There's a credible sighting of a painting that was believed on board the ship in a house on the outer banks.

It could have just been lost at sea, or wrecked along the outer banks and then plundered, but who knows.

It's terribly sad.

+1

Also, Burr appears to have really loved his first wife, and been close to, and respected, his daughter. He believed in and advocated for education for women, and Theodosia received an education similar to what a young man of her class would have received. He was an advocate for women's suffrage, too.

His first wife was married and had five children! When her British husband died she married Burr when she was 35 and he was 25! Burr also had two children by his slave, John Pierre Burr and Louisa Charlotte

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Anonymous wrote:While there are a lot of liberties taken to move the story along, a lot of what was in letters between the characters is incorporated. Like Hamilton did call Eliza "best of wives and best of women" and there was correspondence on whether a misplaced comma indicated something more romantic.

Hamilton and Peggy were very close confidants.

If you watch closely, there are nods to the potential of Hamilton and Laurens being lovers, i.e. "Laurens I like you a lot" and looks between the two actors.

While the musical shows Hamilton raring to go after learning of Laurens death, in actuality he was devastated and inactive in the immediate aftermath.

LMM went to a NESCAC college (Wesleyan) and Hamilton was a founding trustee of a different NESCAC college (Hamilton) though he never set foot on campus.

But they probably were not actually lovers since it was a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that great. I know, I’m the only one but still it’s not that great.

It’s a decent work of art. It’s just that guilty rich white liberals created a stratospheric and undeserved level of hype around it.

The expert critique offered by users of DCUM. Unless you tell us why exactly you think it's "not that great" as eloquently as Miranda wrote the musical, respectfully STFU.

Yeah, okay. Time to take your meds, sweetie.

OK, sweetie. But you still haven't offered a single reason as to why "it's not so great."

DP. The PP owes you no explanation whatsoever. S/he didn’t like it, end of story. Why are Hamilton fans so rabid and defensive?

Np I think in a discussion board the idea is to discuss not to dismiss.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that great. I know, I’m the only one but still it’s not that great.

It’s a decent work of art. It’s just that guilty rich white liberals created a stratospheric and undeserved level of hype around it.

The expert critique offered by users of DCUM. Unless you tell us why exactly you think it's "not that great" as eloquently as Miranda wrote the musical, respectfully STFU.

Yeah, okay. Time to take your meds, sweetie.

OK, sweetie. But you still haven't offered a single reason as to why "it's not so great."

DP. The PP owes you no explanation whatsoever. S/he didn’t like it, end of story. Why are Hamilton fans so rabid and defensive?

Np I think in a discussion board the idea is to discuss not to dismiss.

Or simply to accept that opinions differ and stop challenging anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that great. I know, I’m the only one but still it’s not that great.

It’s a decent work of art. It’s just that guilty rich white liberals created a stratospheric and undeserved level of hype around it.

The expert critique offered by users of DCUM. Unless you tell us why exactly you think it's "not that great" as eloquently as Miranda wrote the musical, respectfully STFU.

Yeah, okay. Time to take your meds, sweetie.

OK, sweetie. But you still haven't offered a single reason as to why "it's not so great."

DP. The PP owes you no explanation whatsoever. S/he didn’t like it, end of story. Why are Hamilton fans so rabid and defensive?

Of course it’s fine to not like it. I enjoy opera generally, but I’m not a Wagner fan. That’s different from saying the work is objectively “not great.”

Not really. Opinions are subjective. The PP feels it wasn’t great, and I agree. You are free to disagree, but that doesn’t make you right and us wrong.

Dp I disagree. If we are rating the musical in it's success both financially and the awards it won both were considerable. So, if you are in the minority you are in fact "wrong". Not saying you have to love it but, maybe you just didn't "get it? Or are one of these people that loves to hate what everyone else loves?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that great. I know, I’m the only one but still it’s not that great.

You are not alone. Hated it.

Yet here you both are, in this thread. So something must have intrigued you.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that great. I know, I’m the only one but still it’s not that great.

It’s a decent work of art. It’s just that guilty rich white liberals created a stratospheric and undeserved level of hype around it.

The expert critique offered by users of DCUM. Unless you tell us why exactly you think it's "not that great" as eloquently as Miranda wrote the musical, respectfully STFU.

Yeah, okay. Time to take your meds, sweetie.

OK, sweetie. But you still haven't offered a single reason as to why "it's not so great."

DP. The PP owes you no explanation whatsoever. S/he didn’t like it, end of story. Why are Hamilton fans so rabid and defensive?

Of course it’s fine to not like it. I enjoy opera generally, but I’m not a Wagner fan. That’s different from saying the work is objectively “not great.”

Not really. Opinions are subjective. The PP feels it wasn’t great, and I agree. You are free to disagree, but that doesn’t make you right and us wrong.

Dp I disagree. If we are rating the musical in it's success both financially and the awards it won both were considerable. So, if you are in the minority you are in fact "wrong". Not saying you have to love it but, maybe you just didn't "get it? Or are one of these people that loves to hate what everyone else loves?

Was it a commercial success? Sure. So was “Titanic” and that was a horrible movie. Just because something makes a lot of money and is popular among the masses doesn’t mean those who hated it “didn’t get it.” I mean, come on.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that great. I know, I’m the only one but still it’s not that great.

You are not alone. Hated it.

Yet here you both are, in this thread. So something must have intrigued you.

Yes, the subject title intrigued me. I wanted to see what kind of things people thought others “needed to know” about Hamilton. Hamilton fans are always entertaining.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that great. I know, I’m the only one but still it’s not that great.

You are not alone. Hated it.

Yet here you both are, in this thread. So something must have intrigued you.

Yes, the subject title intrigued me. I wanted to see what kind of things people thought others “needed to know” about Hamilton. Hamilton fans are always entertaining.

You are a weirdo.