Ehrlich wants to follow Baltimore‘s lead- more Covid restrictions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the only (or even main) risk for getting covid from eating inside at restaurants is for customers? The people who work in those restaurants are not at risk?

So the maskless diners are not getting COVID, only the workers?? Is that why the numbers read that way?

Occupational exposure is a huge risk, yes.

There may also be a risk for the customers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Shut it ALL down. Close EVERYTHING. All stores. All businesses. All parks. Everything.

Totally support him.

Parks? Why parks?

Because people gather in parks, and that spreads covid.

You don’t need to go for a walk. Stay in your damn house. If people did that when this started, we wouldn’t be in this mess now. I’ve left my home maybe -MAYBE- two dozen times since April. I resupply every 2-3 weeks. Beyond that, I stay inside. It’s not difficult. If I can do it, anyone can.

I'd like to think you are a troll but perhaps not. I suggest you call a psychiatrist ASAP if this is real.

I know a handful of people like this. Just hope everyone is taking vitamin D.

Just dress warmly and sit in your backyard for a bit. You don’t need that much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The worst thing to do is to tell people they cannot work. They will hide COVID for fear of losing their job. Unfortunately, armchair quarterbacks like you never see the bigger picture or need.

To answer your question, I do not know where all the people who work in Bethesda restaurants live. I have not conducted a census. But by your unassailable logic, if all the COVID positive people from Aspen Hill are all working on the Bethesda restaurants, then there should be a very high rated of infection in Bethesda since there are about 180 restaurants.

No, the rates would be high in Aspen Hill, because that's where the people live who work in Bethesda restaurants.

Also, why do you assume that people in Aspen Hill don't wear masks and/or don't know how covid is spread?

Also, hey look:

9 a.m. – 1 p.m. - Wednesday, December 9, 2020
Wheaton Library and Community Recreation Center
11701 Georgia Avenue, Wheaton, MD 20902
Indoor Walk-Up Testing
Appointment recommended - make an appointment online or call the Testing Helpline at 240-777-1755
If appointments are unavailable, you can still walk in/drive in to any testing clinic without an appointment.

The thread is about indoor dining skippy. The rates would be high in Bethesda because that is where unmasked covid super spreading diners are eating in the 180 restaurants. I also know that 180 number has gone down and hundreds of people have lost jobs, but no worries for you since I'm sure your paycheck is just fine with all your nice privilege.

Here is the zip code numbers with the disparities. If you think shutting down significantly reduced indoor dining is going to drive these numbers down, good luck.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/covid19/data/case-counts.html#cases-zip

Thanks for your mad google skills - a whole 4 hours of testing right in the middle of the work day for people who are likely hourly employees who cannot afford to take time off.

Slow.Clap.For.You.

The zip code data is really revealing. I’ve been tracking it daily since Moco set it up. . 9 months into this and we still don’t know how to address the risk from a public health standpoint. In the summer, public health officials spent most of their time on closing non public schools and youth sports outside - which even then the data showed was not the highest risk. Dr Faucci even spoke locally the same week to Walter Reed on this point while our Moco officials were saying something different.

We have real challenges in this county. The zip codes and 180 restaurants in Bethesda don’t point to the highest risk issues. Sure We can shut them down and people lose their jobs but we still will have the same problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The worst thing to do is to tell people they cannot work. They will hide COVID for fear of losing their job. Unfortunately, armchair quarterbacks like you never see the bigger picture or need.

To answer your question, I do not know where all the people who work in Bethesda restaurants live. I have not conducted a census. But by your unassailable logic, if all the COVID positive people from Aspen Hill are all working on the Bethesda restaurants, then there should be a very high rated of infection in Bethesda since there are about 180 restaurants.

No, the rates would be high in Aspen Hill, because that's where the people live who work in Bethesda restaurants.

Also, why do you assume that people in Aspen Hill don't wear masks and/or don't know how covid is spread?

Also, hey look:

9 a.m. – 1 p.m. - Wednesday, December 9, 2020
Wheaton Library and Community Recreation Center
11701 Georgia Avenue, Wheaton, MD 20902
Indoor Walk-Up Testing
Appointment recommended - make an appointment online or call the Testing Helpline at 240-777-1755
If appointments are unavailable, you can still walk in/drive in to any testing clinic without an appointment.

The thread is about indoor dining skippy. The rates would be high in Bethesda because that is where unmasked covid super spreading diners are eating in the 180 restaurants. I also know that 180 number has gone down and hundreds of people have lost jobs, but no worries for you since I'm sure your paycheck is just fine with all your nice privilege.

Here is the zip code numbers with the disparities. If you think shutting down significantly reduced indoor dining is going to drive these numbers down, good luck.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/covid19/data/case-counts.html#cases-zip

Thanks for your mad google skills - a whole 4 hours of testing right in the middle of the work day for people who are likely hourly employees who cannot afford to take time off.

Slow.Clap.For.You.

The zip code data is really revealing. I’ve been tracking it daily since Moco set it up. . 9 months into this and we still don’t know how to address the risk from a public health standpoint. In the summer, public health officials spent most of their time on closing non public schools and youth sports outside - which even then the data showed was not the highest risk. Dr Faucci even spoke locally the same week to Walter Reed on this point while our Moco officials were saying something different.

We have real challenges in this county. The zip codes and 180 restaurants in Bethesda don’t point to the highest risk issues. Sure We can shut them down and people lose their jobs but we still will have the same problems.

PP, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. What are the problems that need to be addressed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The worst thing to do is to tell people they cannot work. They will hide COVID for fear of losing their job. Unfortunately, armchair quarterbacks like you never see the bigger picture or need.

To answer your question, I do not know where all the people who work in Bethesda restaurants live. I have not conducted a census. But by your unassailable logic, if all the COVID positive people from Aspen Hill are all working on the Bethesda restaurants, then there should be a very high rated of infection in Bethesda since there are about 180 restaurants.

No, the rates would be high in Aspen Hill, because that's where the people live who work in Bethesda restaurants.

Also, why do you assume that people in Aspen Hill don't wear masks and/or don't know how covid is spread?

Also, hey look:

9 a.m. – 1 p.m. - Wednesday, December 9, 2020
Wheaton Library and Community Recreation Center
11701 Georgia Avenue, Wheaton, MD 20902
Indoor Walk-Up Testing
Appointment recommended - make an appointment online or call the Testing Helpline at 240-777-1755
If appointments are unavailable, you can still walk in/drive in to any testing clinic without an appointment.

The thread is about indoor dining skippy. The rates would be high in Bethesda because that is where unmasked covid super spreading diners are eating in the 180 restaurants. I also know that 180 number has gone down and hundreds of people have lost jobs, but no worries for you since I'm sure your paycheck is just fine with all your nice privilege.

Here is the zip code numbers with the disparities. If you think shutting down significantly reduced indoor dining is going to drive these numbers down, good luck.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/covid19/data/case-counts.html#cases-zip

Thanks for your mad google skills - a whole 4 hours of testing right in the middle of the work day for people who are likely hourly employees who cannot afford to take time off.

Slow.Clap.For.You.

The zip code data is really revealing. I’ve been tracking it daily since Moco set it up. . 9 months into this and we still don’t know how to address the risk from a public health standpoint. In the summer, public health officials spent most of their time on closing non public schools and youth sports outside - which even then the data showed was not the highest risk. Dr Faucci even spoke locally the same week to Walter Reed on this point while our Moco officials were saying something different.

We have real challenges in this county. The zip codes and 180 restaurants in Bethesda don’t point to the highest risk issues. Sure We can shut them down and people lose their jobs but we still will have the same problems.

PP, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. What are the problems that need to be addressed?

Crowded housing developments and private gatherings. Even not so private- go to Wheaton Regional Park or any large park on the weekend and report back what you see. People are having full-on parties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The worst thing to do is to tell people they cannot work. They will hide COVID for fear of losing their job. Unfortunately, armchair quarterbacks like you never see the bigger picture or need.

To answer your question, I do not know where all the people who work in Bethesda restaurants live. I have not conducted a census. But by your unassailable logic, if all the COVID positive people from Aspen Hill are all working on the Bethesda restaurants, then there should be a very high rated of infection in Bethesda since there are about 180 restaurants.

No, the rates would be high in Aspen Hill, because that's where the people live who work in Bethesda restaurants.

Also, why do you assume that people in Aspen Hill don't wear masks and/or don't know how covid is spread?

Also, hey look:

9 a.m. – 1 p.m. - Wednesday, December 9, 2020
Wheaton Library and Community Recreation Center
11701 Georgia Avenue, Wheaton, MD 20902
Indoor Walk-Up Testing
Appointment recommended - make an appointment online or call the Testing Helpline at 240-777-1755
If appointments are unavailable, you can still walk in/drive in to any testing clinic without an appointment.

The thread is about indoor dining skippy. The rates would be high in Bethesda because that is where unmasked covid super spreading diners are eating in the 180 restaurants. I also know that 180 number has gone down and hundreds of people have lost jobs, but no worries for you since I'm sure your paycheck is just fine with all your nice privilege.

Here is the zip code numbers with the disparities. If you think shutting down significantly reduced indoor dining is going to drive these numbers down, good luck.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/covid19/data/case-counts.html#cases-zip

Thanks for your mad google skills - a whole 4 hours of testing right in the middle of the work day for people who are likely hourly employees who cannot afford to take time off.

Slow.Clap.For.You.

The zip code data is really revealing. I’ve been tracking it daily since Moco set it up. . 9 months into this and we still don’t know how to address the risk from a public health standpoint. In the summer, public health officials spent most of their time on closing non public schools and youth sports outside - which even then the data showed was not the highest risk. Dr Faucci even spoke locally the same week to Walter Reed on this point while our Moco officials were saying something different.

We have real challenges in this county. The zip codes and 180 restaurants in Bethesda don’t point to the highest risk issues. Sure We can shut them down and people lose their jobs but we still will have the same problems.

PP, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. What are the problems that need to be addressed?

Crowded housing developments and private gatherings. Even not so private- go to Wheaton Regional Park or any large park on the weekend and report back what you see. People are having full-on parties.

I understand what you are saying. These problems exist but you aren't allowed to say anything about them. I hope there is and continues to be culturally appropriate outreach to communities disproportionately impacted by this virus. I read an article this week about how Rhode Island became the state with the highest number of new COVID case per capita. Many of the reasons cited would apply in some of the impacted zip codes in Montgomery county- public facing and low paying jobs, lack of paid sick leave or time off for testing, large immigrant population, high density multi-generational housing, pre-existing health conditions in the community, reluctance to interface with the government via testing and contract tracing due to immigration status or other fear of government overreach, and cultural priority placed on extended family and community, which can lead to larger gatherings. You could stack of a bunch of communities throughout the state and find varying levels of compliance versus non-compliance, but with multiple factors leading to worse outcomes, there isn't much wiggle room for some communities. It's not a matter of X community doesn't wear masks, but Y community does. Mask wearing could be equal for X and Y, but lower income essential workers from X are more at risk in high density multi-generational housing than non-compliant mask wearers living and working from 8000 sq. foot homes with only their nuclear families while having their groceries delivered.

There is another thread discussing an article in the Atlantic about public health messaging and family gatherings. The author of the article notes:

" Despite all of the media focus on holiday travel, this pandemic has been shaped more by where people need to be than by where they want to be. While many Americans were busy reprimanding one another for Thanksgiving dinners, people quietly continued to travel for other reasons: Truckers delivered goods around the country; migrant workers kept farms going. The moral outrage about people enjoying themselves during a pandemic is a distraction from where that outrage would be more useful: in pressuring governments to protect the marginalized populations that are most at risk, even when they are less visible—and provoke less indignation—than a crowd of holiday travelers sitting in an airport and hoping for the best."

The people with the fewest protections are the most at risk, which leads to something that is not quite helplessness, but more like passive acceptance of risk. There should not only be more free testing during non-work hours, but also more assurances to targeted communities that testing and contact tracing are safe and won't involve inquiries about immigration status. As the author of the article suggests, harm reduction in the form of small changes to mitigate risk could improve outcomes. I read that in Rhode Island they were doing carpool traffic stops - stopping people who were carpooling to work and urging them to wear masks when carpooling. Maybe outdoor sports aren't going to stop, but there could be mask wearing and distancing after playing. It is all about culturally appropriate outreach, which in no way suggests that the people in a community are less informed or less compliant than any other community. They do, however, deserve more respectful attention, not to mention a better social safety net to address the systemic inequality that puts them at risk.

[Anonymous]

Gee, maybe if people stopped voluntary family gatherings that they do have control over (like for Thanksgiving and Christmas), there would be more resources to address exposure where people don't have control over the exposure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The worst thing to do is to tell people they cannot work. They will hide COVID for fear of losing their job. Unfortunately, armchair quarterbacks like you never see the bigger picture or need.

To answer your question, I do not know where all the people who work in Bethesda restaurants live. I have not conducted a census. But by your unassailable logic, if all the COVID positive people from Aspen Hill are all working on the Bethesda restaurants, then there should be a very high rated of infection in Bethesda since there are about 180 restaurants.

No, the rates would be high in Aspen Hill, because that's where the people live who work in Bethesda restaurants.

Also, why do you assume that people in Aspen Hill don't wear masks and/or don't know how covid is spread?

Also, hey look:

9 a.m. – 1 p.m. - Wednesday, December 9, 2020
Wheaton Library and Community Recreation Center
11701 Georgia Avenue, Wheaton, MD 20902
Indoor Walk-Up Testing
Appointment recommended - make an appointment online or call the Testing Helpline at 240-777-1755
If appointments are unavailable, you can still walk in/drive in to any testing clinic without an appointment.

The thread is about indoor dining skippy. The rates would be high in Bethesda because that is where unmasked covid super spreading diners are eating in the 180 restaurants. I also know that 180 number has gone down and hundreds of people have lost jobs, but no worries for you since I'm sure your paycheck is just fine with all your nice privilege.

Here is the zip code numbers with the disparities. If you think shutting down significantly reduced indoor dining is going to drive these numbers down, good luck.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/covid19/data/case-counts.html#cases-zip

Thanks for your mad google skills - a whole 4 hours of testing right in the middle of the work day for people who are likely hourly employees who cannot afford to take time off.

Slow.Clap.For.You.

The zip code data is really revealing. I’ve been tracking it daily since Moco set it up. . 9 months into this and we still don’t know how to address the risk from a public health standpoint. In the summer, public health officials spent most of their time on closing non public schools and youth sports outside - which even then the data showed was not the highest risk. Dr Faucci even spoke locally the same week to Walter Reed on this point while our Moco officials were saying something different.

We have real challenges in this county. The zip codes and 180 restaurants in Bethesda don’t point to the highest risk issues. Sure We can shut them down and people lose their jobs but we still will have the same problems.

PP, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. What are the problems that need to be addressed?

Crowded housing developments and private gatherings. Even not so private- go to Wheaton Regional Park or any large park on the weekend and report back what you see. People are having full-on parties.

I understand what you are saying. These problems exist but you aren't allowed to say anything about them. I hope there is and continues to be culturally appropriate outreach to communities disproportionately impacted by this virus. I read an article this week about how Rhode Island became the state with the highest number of new COVID case per capita. Many of the reasons cited would apply in some of the impacted zip codes in Montgomery county- public facing and low paying jobs, lack of paid sick leave or time off for testing, large immigrant population, high density multi-generational housing, pre-existing health conditions in the community, reluctance to interface with the government via testing and contract tracing due to immigration status or other fear of government overreach, and cultural priority placed on extended family and community, which can lead to larger gatherings. You could stack of a bunch of communities throughout the state and find varying levels of compliance versus non-compliance, but with multiple factors leading to worse outcomes, there isn't much wiggle room for some communities. It's not a matter of X community doesn't wear masks, but Y community does. Mask wearing could be equal for X and Y, but lower income essential workers from X are more at risk in high density multi-generational housing than non-compliant mask wearers living and working from 8000 sq. foot homes with only their nuclear families while having their groceries delivered.

There is another thread discussing an article in the Atlantic about public health messaging and family gatherings. The author of the article notes:

" Despite all of the media focus on holiday travel, this pandemic has been shaped more by where people need to be than by where they want to be. While many Americans were busy reprimanding one another for Thanksgiving dinners, people quietly continued to travel for other reasons: Truckers delivered goods around the country; migrant workers kept farms going. The moral outrage about people enjoying themselves during a pandemic is a distraction from where that outrage would be more useful: in pressuring governments to protect the marginalized populations that are most at risk, even when they are less visible—and provoke less indignation—than a crowd of holiday travelers sitting in an airport and hoping for the best."

The people with the fewest protections are the most at risk, which leads to something that is not quite helplessness, but more like passive acceptance of risk. There should not only be more free testing during non-work hours, but also more assurances to targeted communities that testing and contact tracing are safe and won't involve inquiries about immigration status. As the author of the article suggests, harm reduction in the form of small changes to mitigate risk could improve outcomes. I read that in Rhode Island they were doing carpool traffic stops - stopping people who were carpooling to work and urging them to wear masks when carpooling. Maybe outdoor sports aren't going to stop, but there could be mask wearing and distancing after playing. It is all about culturally appropriate outreach, which in no way suggests that the people in a community are less informed or less compliant than any other community. They do, however, deserve more respectful attention, not to mention a better social safety net to address the systemic inequality that puts them at risk.

This x1000.

Thank you for recognizing the cultural needs. The fact that Elrich and Dr. Travis Gayles can't remotely conceive of a smart targeted strategy is pathetic. This should have been building for months now instead of the stupid crap they cherry pick to "fix" this. Can't wait to vote Elrich out.

[Anonymous]

I'd also love to see every member of the county executive and county council's paycheck stopped until all Montgomery County residents can go back to work. You know, in solidarity, cause they care so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd also love to see every member of the county executive and county council's paycheck stopped until all Montgomery County residents can go back to work. You know, in solidarity, cause they care so much.

No fair that I can't eat inside in a restaurant in Bethesda just cuz the poors in Aspen Hill are getting covid!

/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd also love to see every member of the county executive and county council's paycheck stopped until all Montgomery County residents can go back to work. You know, in solidarity, cause they care so much.

No fair that I can't eat inside in a restaurant in Bethesda just cuz the poors in Aspen Hill are getting covid!

/s

I don't know what your point is, this is no time for snarkiness. People are legit sick and people are legit out of work. Your comment is completely tone deaf.

[Anonymous]

Seems to me that no one on this thread has any idea what they are talking about. All just a bunch people who are not epidemiologiists, are not public policy or health experts, and have no real idea about life beyond their neighborhood thinking they know what's up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that no one on this thread has any idea what they are talking about. All just a bunch people who are not epidemiologiists, are not public policy or health experts, and have no real idea about life beyond their neighborhood thinking they know what's up.

But the problem is, what you say also applies to our elected leaders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is he planning to shut down childcare too?

Doubtful

There’s something in the new order about the state waiving their ratio and/or capacity restrictions? I didn’t really understand it though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that no one on this thread has any idea what they are talking about. All just a bunch people who are not epidemiologiists, are not public policy or health experts, and have no real idea about life beyond their neighborhood thinking they know what's up.

But the problem is, what you say also applies to our elected leaders.

Elected leaders are asked to listen to expert advice from a variety of sectors and then make a decision based on their best judgment. It is their job to take into account other issues besides public health, while responding to the pandemic.