Why can't teachers teach from their classrooms to the online learners and a few in class students?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll say it again..
It's not that science doesn't matter, Covid-19 is also an ethical issue.

Is it ok to send teachers to school knowing it will slightly increase the likelihood of them getting covid and increasing community spread?

You may say yes, it's worth it. But just like abortion people have varying opinions.

When it comes to the choice, if people can they will choose telework. Just like if people live in a state that provides free abortion and they want one, they'll get it.

It's no that teachers are 'special,' it's that they're being given a choice like many other professions are being given.

The ethics of the calculation need to also include the lifelong impact of likely two years of educational loss for many (probably most) children going through DL. There are many DL kids who will never recover from the loss. There are children who will be permanently illiterate because they have lost a critical early learning period. Kids with certain SNs will never recover.

I have a child with severe dyslexia who will (hopefully) come out okay because we are spending thousands of dollars and a lot of time on dyslexia remediation, private school, and educational therapy. That is simply not a feasible or ethical societal model -- it is unethical that the "answer" to covid-19 is that only children with wealthy parents are educated. For the most part the other kids we know with severe dyslexia are suffering terribly. Their parents are frantic with worry, while at the same time the parents are struggling to work two jobs because of covid-19 economic impact. Your ethics post didn't even consider those families who can't immediately spend thousands of dollars and time on educational remediation to make up for profound education loss.

Most other professionals who are working remotely can do their jobs effectively remotely. That isn't true of teaching, and any discussion of ethics needs to take educational loss into account. Is it ethical to accept the educational loss of these kids? To permanently hamstring them?

I agree to an extent. But again it's a matter of ethics educational loss vs. possible death. I think many people would consider prevention of deaths for the greater 'good.'

And I don't consider money as a part of an ethics conversation, this is a national crisis and any family let alone one with children should have an emergency fund.

That's likely why the WTU wants to let teachers choose, if your teacher comes back it was their choice and ceases being an ethical issue.

The issue of lower quality of education through DL is a multi-tier ethical issue and the answer may seem simple (send teachers back) to some parents, however the fact is unlike other cities DC has been able to give all students devices. I think for sped kids the issue is they are protected by law to have FAPE but at the same time FAPE isn't clear on exactly what 'appropriate' means. Kids who aren't protected by FAPE are only entitled to public education, not an appropriate one. But neither is automatically entitled to an excellent one.

lol this is the worst legal take. FAPE applies to everyone. my god, this has been litigated to death. hahahahaha "only SPED kids get appropriate education!" no. FAPE ALSO applies to SPED. I am literally laughing out loud. go read the wikipedia article.

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Unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:It's doable and it's being done by teachers all over the country and by many privates in the DC area.

My daughter went back to her private yesterday and the teacher is teaching to two cohorts: the in-person and via a simple mic (not even a camera) to the kids at home.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

I am a private school teacher, we’re doing this. It definitely doesn’t work as well academically as either all virtual or all in person. So you are paying a price academically for the childcare and socialization. Maybe that price is worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm honestly at a loss as to why teachers are at any more risk than everyone else who's been working this entire pandemic? I just saw a news report that Fairfax High School the teachers are teaching a few students from their classroom and their is a camera pointing at them to teach everyone else at home and they'll slowly add other students if this model goes well. Why can't we do this? We have to learn to live with this pandemic. It's not going away. What is it that makes teachers at a higher risk than the rest of us that have worked the entire time and are taking as much precautions as one can given what we know. Can't they at least try? If it's a disaster then reassess but at least try something. Kids need to get back to school. We can close other things if need be but children's education should be a huge priority to the Mayor and everyone else right now.

I think there are legal issues with recording teachers "live" as well as privacy protections for students with disabilities. I imagine that's jut the tip of the iceberg.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm honestly at a loss as to why teachers are at any more risk than everyone else who's been working this entire pandemic? I just saw a news report that Fairfax High School the teachers are teaching a few students from their classroom and their is a camera pointing at them to teach everyone else at home and they'll slowly add other students if this model goes well. Why can't we do this? We have to learn to live with this pandemic. It's not going away. What is it that makes teachers at a higher risk than the rest of us that have worked the entire time and are taking as much precautions as one can given what we know. Can't they at least try? If it's a disaster then reassess but at least try something. Kids need to get back to school. We can close other things if need be but children's education should be a huge priority to the Mayor and everyone else right now.

I think there are legal issues with recording teachers "live" as well as privacy protections for students with disabilities. I imagine that's jut the tip of the iceberg.

another bullsh*t argument. students/parents already sign waivers to be recorded every year by DCPS. If a teacher refuses to waive they should be fired.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm honestly at a loss as to why teachers are at any more risk than everyone else who's been working this entire pandemic? I just saw a news report that Fairfax High School the teachers are teaching a few students from their classroom and their is a camera pointing at them to teach everyone else at home and they'll slowly add other students if this model goes well. Why can't we do this? We have to learn to live with this pandemic. It's not going away. What is it that makes teachers at a higher risk than the rest of us that have worked the entire time and are taking as much precautions as one can given what we know. Can't they at least try? If it's a disaster then reassess but at least try something. Kids need to get back to school. We can close other things if need be but children's education should be a huge priority to the Mayor and everyone else right now.

I think there are legal issues with recording teachers "live" as well as privacy protections for students with disabilities. I imagine that's jut the tip of the iceberg.

Nah. It's already being done in plenty of places in the US without issue. And there's already a waiver. Teachers also don't have a right to privacy while they are teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The WTU only knows how to say no

It would require WTU to lift a finger. That's a big ask. That's an entire finger.

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Anonymous wrote:It's doable and it's being done by teachers all over the country and by many privates in the DC area.

My daughter went back to her private yesterday and the teacher is teaching to two cohorts: the in-person and via a simple mic (not even a camera) to the kids at home.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

It is much easier in private schools where teachers have far fewer students per class. Also, far fewer special Ed kids. One of my kids is in private and is back to a hybrid model but it is not working all that well. A couple of teachers are fully virtual. The others look exhausted and either ignore the in-person kids or the virtual kids. It is tough to do both in a effective way

DCPS generally does not have huge class sizes. My child’s class has never been bigger than 21.

Maybe at your tiny school. My kid's classes always have 25-28.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm honestly at a loss as to why teachers are at any more risk than everyone else who's been working this entire pandemic? I just saw a news report that Fairfax High School the teachers are teaching a few students from their classroom and their is a camera pointing at them to teach everyone else at home and they'll slowly add other students if this model goes well. Why can't we do this? We have to learn to live with this pandemic. It's not going away. What is it that makes teachers at a higher risk than the rest of us that have worked the entire time and are taking as much precautions as one can given what we know. Can't they at least try? If it's a disaster then reassess but at least try something. Kids need to get back to school. We can close other things if need be but children's education should be a huge priority to the Mayor and everyone else right now.

I think there are legal issues with recording teachers "live" as well as privacy protections for students with disabilities. I imagine that's jut the tip of the iceberg.

another bullsh*t argument. students/parents already sign waivers to be recorded every year by DCPS. If a teacher refuses to waive they should be fired.

It's not BS it is a violation of HIPAA.

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Hahahahahaha no. No no. No. HIPAA does not apply unless the teacher is being asked to teach her medical records in the classroom.

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I too can just make up violations! Teachers being recorded is a violation of the FDA’s HACCP food safety program! It also goes against the 3rd Amendment regarding the quartering of soldiers! And it’s a clear issue with the Endangered Species Act’s prohibition of the malicious destruction of endangered plants!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a college professor. Hybrid is incredibly difficult, clumsy, and inequitable. If you are wondering about this, I encourage you too ask every person if your house to get in the same room and sign on with masks on, and invite 10 more people to sign on from else where. Wear a mask yourself and teach a lesson and let me know how it goes.

I’ve done it and it’s ok but all online or all in person (IMO unconscionable right know) is a thousand times more feasible and serviceable for all. I have colleagues who can’t figure it out.

Ok, you and the teacher who posted above you have actually changed my mind!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm honestly at a loss as to why teachers are at any more risk than everyone else who's been working this entire pandemic? I just saw a news report that Fairfax High School the teachers are teaching a few students from their classroom and their is a camera pointing at them to teach everyone else at home and they'll slowly add other students if this model goes well. Why can't we do this? We have to learn to live with this pandemic. It's not going away. What is it that makes teachers at a higher risk than the rest of us that have worked the entire time and are taking as much precautions as one can given what we know. Can't they at least try? If it's a disaster then reassess but at least try something. Kids need to get back to school. We can close other things if need be but children's education should be a huge priority to the Mayor and everyone else right now.

I think there are legal issues with recording teachers "live" as well as privacy protections for students with disabilities. I imagine that's jut the tip of the iceberg.

another bullsh*t argument. students/parents already sign waivers to be recorded every year by DCPS. If a teacher refuses to waive they should be fired.

It's not BS it is a violation of HIPAA.

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