Anti Racist Thanksgiving book

[Anonymous]

Where can I buy a Thanksgiving is Racist book again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where can I buy a Thanksgiving is Racist book again?

Exactly! Somehow now the fact that the indians taught the pilgrims how to cook turkey and corn is now racist!! Last I heard nothing about a bunch of people sitting around a cornucopia is racist

[Anonymous]

I recommend 1621: A new look at Thanksgiving
https://www.plimoth.com/collections/books-media-1/products/1621-a-new-look-at-thanksgiving

As for present day: Young Water Protectors: A story about Standing Rock
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41541639-young-water-protectors

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a suggestion: stop brainwashing your kids. This ridiculous intersectional anti-racist drivel might make you feel virtuous but all it does is make people think more about race--which is the last thing we need.

There are definitely people who are obsessed with race. Just let people be people!

One more time for the folks in the back.... THIS IS ONLY AN OPTION FOR WHITE PEOPLE!!!! You can't just "be people" as a black person or native American- that's what people see about you first. It affects your life. People being "colorblind" and NOT thinking or talking about race for decades is what got us here. To a boiling point, to a reckoning. Its needed.

And look, I don't even blame white parents in the 70s and 80s for teaching their kids that all people are just people, we should not see color, etc. They were reacting to watching the horrors of the Civil Rights movement in the 60s when they were just kids themselves. My own parents remember the news from when they were 7,8,9,10 years old and where the nice white people who were going to do better for their kids. And in many ways they did. But progress is not linear. As you get more information (like how this actually works for black folks, perception of what color blind means in practice) you adapt, you know better so you do better. So no, its not better to "not think about race" in order to make racism in our institutions go away.

What in the history of humanity has gone away just because you ignore it?

Sorry but the first PP is right. Being anti-racist is neither anti-racist nor helpful, individually or societally.

NP
Isn't affirmative action anti-racist though? You are against that too?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a suggestion: stop brainwashing your kids. This ridiculous intersectional anti-racist drivel might make you feel virtuous but all it does is make people think more about race--which is the last thing we need.

There are definitely people who are obsessed with race. Just let people be people!

One more time for the folks in the back.... THIS IS ONLY AN OPTION FOR WHITE PEOPLE!!!! You can't just "be people" as a black person or native American- that's what people see about you first. It affects your life. People being "colorblind" and NOT thinking or talking about race for decades is what got us here. To a boiling point, to a reckoning. Its needed.

And look, I don't even blame white parents in the 70s and 80s for teaching their kids that all people are just people, we should not see color, etc. They were reacting to watching the horrors of the Civil Rights movement in the 60s when they were just kids themselves. My own parents remember the news from when they were 7,8,9,10 years old and where the nice white people who were going to do better for their kids. And in many ways they did. But progress is not linear. As you get more information (like how this actually works for black folks, perception of what color blind means in practice) you adapt, you know better so you do better. So no, its not better to "not think about race" in order to make racism in our institutions go away.

What in the history of humanity has gone away just because you ignore it?

Sorry but the first PP is right. Being anti-racist is neither anti-racist nor helpful, individually or societally.

NP
Isn't affirmative action anti-racist though? You are against that too?

Not that PP, but if it’s based on race, yes, I am against affirmative action. The government should never be in the business of giving or denying anyone anything based on their skin color. That is ludicrous and that is actually codifying racism.

[Anonymous]

Affirmative action is crap and racist against hard working Asians. So yes. against.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a suggestion: stop brainwashing your kids. This ridiculous intersectional anti-racist drivel might make you feel virtuous but all it does is make people think more about race--which is the last thing we need.

NP. Can you explain?

DP. This is the type of the person who had no problem with legacy or donations helping kids get into college or jobs for hundreds of years but screamed foul at the idea of affirmative action helping people who didn't look like them. The system is all good when white people were benefitting but when the benefits turned to others it's, "oh, no, we must ignore race."

What’s up with this weird conflation between generationally rich people, and white people?

You are aware that the vast majority of white people do not benefit from “legacy or donations helping [them] get into college or jobs”, right?

Sometimes I think most of the people on this board have never left the urban coastal areas, and they really do think that the majority of white Americans grew up just like their old classmates at Sidwell Friends and Exeter and Wellesley and Dartmouth.

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Anonymous wrote:no kid wants to learn about his especially in a book they want turkey and stuffing and dessert, lots of dessert.

Maybe your kid. Mine love everything about books, especially as a way to explore the world around them or the past.

We are American Indian. We read all sorts of Thanksgiving books. Indians aren't a monolith. My kids are still young, but we have a lot of simpler conversations about Indians (teepees vs long houses, views on land and cultural differences). We talk a lot about how Americans took advantage of the Indians.

You mean the NAs that bought sold and kept African slaves? The NAs that sold land to traders and settlers and then reneged and massacred them, or the Iroquois that pushed the Sioux out that pushed the Cheyenne out that pushed out the Kiowa ?

People are people. If you look at the truth you’ll see there are no saints just people and cultures in conflict for survival. The NAs weren’t taken advantage of, they were in conflict and another culture prevailed. Just as the Mayans and Aztecs “took advantage” of their neighbors before any European set foot in America.

There are so many holes in this argument that I don't even know where to start. A different NDN here.

Let me start with what you have correct-- people are people everywhere. Yes, there were conflicts in North America long before Europeans arrived. I despise the 'peaceful, primitive, noble trope' as much as the 'savage, barbaric, animalistic' one.

However, this argument you have made is akin to someone saying, "What slavery? You mean those Africans who were already capturing and enslaving each other? What's the big deal?"

Anyone with half a brain would point out that the Trans-Atlantic slave trade was on an entirely new scale of cruelty and suffering compared to the common practice of slavery throughout the world.

The Europeans and then the American Government regularly cheated and broke the treaties they signed (such as a treaty specifying the sale of land that could be covered in three days time-- with both sides understanding that this means a walk, and then the government hiring someone to run the distance to secure 2-3x the amount of land). It is no wonder that after watching this that the tribes began to fight 'dirty' too.

Please. Just read about the bounties set for the scalps of Indians, that people used to be hired to kill as many Indians (please read this: https://www.history.com/news/californias-little-known-genocide), massacres like the Sand Creek massacre (in case you are not going to click-- it was the massacre of a village that was flying the US flag and a white flag of truce, mostly women, children, and men too old to fight killed in cold blood).

What happened to the tribes went far beyond any justifiable 'war'.

Education. It is a great thing.

What the Mayans and Aztecs did to their fellow NAs was more towards genicide than anything Europeans did.
Jamestown Massacre. Etc. etc.
the point was both sides were in conflict and are guilty, cultural conflicts have winners and losers and villains

NAs were undoubtedly the long term losers of a culture conflict.
Intra or inter tribal cultural conflict - depending on your point of view - exited pre columbian period.
Warfare and slavery were not introduced to NAs or colonists by each other, both were already all too familiar with it all

Education is a great thing indeed. Be careful not to blind oneself with your self righteousness.

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Anonymous wrote:Anti-racism = racism. You r just racist against another group.

EXACTLY! But we are not allowed to say this. Only anonymously.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really bizarre to me that people object so much to someone looking for a kids book that passes along their values. That's part of being a parent. As a Christian, I read to my daughter from the Bible. If I were looking for a kid's Bible, it would be weird to freak out about how I'm trying to deprogram her

You know the Bible is a made up story, right?

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Anonymous wrote:It's really bizarre to me that people object so much to someone looking for a kids book that passes along their values. That's part of being a parent. As a Christian, I read to my daughter from the Bible. If I were looking for a kid's Bible, it would be weird to freak out about how I'm trying to deprogram her

You know the Bible is a made up story, right?

DP. You may definitely believe that. I may believe that it's the inspired Word of God.

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Anonymous wrote:Anti-racism = racism. You r just racist against another group.

EXACTLY! But we are not allowed to say this. Only anonymously.

You can say it all you want. You just don't like that you are now on the side of the wrong old conservatives who have been on the wrong side of history since time began. Black folks can be vitriolic in their orejudit against me, but when I walk into the world it won't effect me one iota. That "racism" doesn't have the power to cause barriers in my life or institutions I need, so that's not racism. It's has no power That's the difference.

[Anonymous]

And this is a primary example why this country is so divided. In one extreme we have rabid racists and xenophobes, and in the other extreme we have rabid woke people who wants "anti racists thanksgiving book" or complain about a non-human witch having only 3 fingers.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a suggestion: stop brainwashing your kids. This ridiculous intersectional anti-racist drivel might make you feel virtuous but all it does is make people think more about race--which is the last thing we need.

There are definitely people who are obsessed with race. Just let people be people!

One more time for the folks in the back.... THIS IS ONLY AN OPTION FOR WHITE PEOPLE!!!! You can't just "be people" as a black person or native American- that's what people see about you first. It affects your life. People being "colorblind" and NOT thinking or talking about race for decades is what got us here. To a boiling point, to a reckoning. Its needed.

And look, I don't even blame white parents in the 70s and 80s for teaching their kids that all people are just people, we should not see color, etc. They were reacting to watching the horrors of the Civil Rights movement in the 60s when they were just kids themselves. My own parents remember the news from when they were 7,8,9,10 years old and where the nice white people who were going to do better for their kids. And in many ways they did. But progress is not linear. As you get more information (like how this actually works for black folks, perception of what color blind means in practice) you adapt, you know better so you do better. So no, its not better to "not think about race" in order to make racism in our institutions go away.

What in the history of humanity has gone away just because you ignore it?

Whenever I hear people say "I don't need to think about race" what they're really saying is "I'm not comfortable acknowledging my role in systemic privilege"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And this is a primary example why this country is so divided. In one extreme we have rabid racists and xenophobes, and in the other extreme we have rabid woke people who wants "anti racists thanksgiving book" or complain about a non-human witch having only 3 fingers.

Imagine being triggered by the idea that we should acknowledge it native Americans were treated by white settlers.