If Trump and Christie can lick this...why should I be worried?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They both had access to treatment that the general public does not.

If the hospitals are overwhelmed you’ll be sent home not given A+ treatment like these 2 walking triple risk factors. Christie has the grace to know that and recommend masks. Trump could give a Fuc# if you die. Also if you get this get a pulse Oximeter now to check your oxygen levels the sooner you know you aren’t doing well the better. Seek medical care.
Knowledge is empowerment as Trump and Christie both knew to seek medical attention.

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Anonymous wrote:They get health care at Walter Reed with VIP doctors that the rest of us at Walter Reed cannot get. Many of us cannot even get anything beyond basic primary care, forget specialists. Walter Reed has doctors working on the virus and a vaccine and they have doctors who go between Walter Reed and NIH.

Christie was treated at a regular hospital in NJ.

That hospital is actually in my town and it has many specialized departments, including a critical care unit for respiratory illnesses. People come from other parts of NJ, as well as from PA to go there for treatment for all sorts of conditions.

Sure, but lots of regular people who need specialized care go there. There is no comparison between that and Walter Reed.

[Anonymous]

I must admit I thought this too. Trump and Christie already looked, even to my untrained medical eye, like exceptionally unhealthy people who could die of a stroke at any moment. Look I’m still masking and isolating and distancing, but the fact they ended up fine did give me some pause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I must admit I thought this too. Trump and Christie already looked, even to my untrained medical eye, like exceptionally unhealthy people who could die of a stroke at any moment. Look I’m still masking and isolating and distancing, but the fact they ended up fine did give me some pause.

But that is the weird thing about this virus - Trump & Chrisitue survived it (albeit with 24/7 care and top notch care; more than anybody else would ever receive), but covid also kills that aren't obese. The symptoms are hodge podge. The infections can be hard or easy to combat. Are you a gambling man to take your chances?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The most effective and least expensive treatment is the one that has brought the death rate down exponentially... Remdesivir..that is why fatalities are down among all patients. It is just not that deadly anymore.

Nope.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/health/coronavirus-remdesivir-who.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not just about lethality (and low death rates depend on not having an overwhelming number of people need ICU care at the same time).

A friend of mine, 30s, very fit and athletic, got Covid 12 weeks ago. She was hospitalized 6 days and very nearly vented. She now permanently has asthma and is very fatigued at all times, barely walking let alone running or working out. It’s been 12 weeks. She is nowhere near normal health. And show me the statistics that track that?!?

I’m sorry to hear that. Was she given remdesivir?

I don't know. I'll ask her.

[Anonymous]

1. Mortality rate for even the over-70 set is something like 20%--high, but far from 100%.

2. They got top-shelf, immediate medical care. Trump in particular was also likely being very closely monitored.

3. Treatments overall are much better now, as PPs have mentioned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I must admit I thought this too. Trump and Christie already looked, even to my untrained medical eye, like exceptionally unhealthy people who could die of a stroke at any moment. Look I’m still masking and isolating and distancing, but the fact they ended up fine did give me some pause.

They both had access to experimental antibody drugs that the rest of us don’t have access to, at least not yet. https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/trump-ally-chris-christie-among-the-few-to-get-lilly-covid-19-antibody-drug-60757764

Best case scenario, maybe more people will have access to those treatments by the end of the year, but personally, I’m not counting on my family being important enough to be at the head of the line for the fancy antibody cocktail....even though we’re closer to the front of the line than most others (white, upper income, great health insurance + spouse is a frontline medical provider.)

We’ve already seen at least one of my husband’s coworkers vented in an ICU with COvID. He made it through, but it was a loooooooong haul - I’d very much like for me and mine to be able to stay far, far away from the ICU. Chris Christie also survived, but who knows if he has any long term consequences as a result? A week in the ICU can have pretty serious repercussions in and of itself, not even taking into account any long term consequences from COVID.

Definitely keeping my mask on and keeping up with the social distancing - nowhere near ready to let my guard down on this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I must admit I thought this too. Trump and Christie already looked, even to my untrained medical eye, like exceptionally unhealthy people who could die of a stroke at any moment. Look I’m still masking and isolating and distancing, but the fact they ended up fine did give me some pause.

They both had access to experimental antibody drugs that the rest of us don’t have access to, at least not yet. https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/trump-ally-chris-christie-among-the-few-to-get-lilly-covid-19-antibody-drug-60757764

Best case scenario, maybe more people will have access to those treatments by the end of the year, but personally, I’m not counting on my family being important enough to be at the head of the line for the fancy antibody cocktail....even though we’re closer to the front of the line than most others (white, upper income, great health insurance + spouse is a frontline medical provider.)

We’ve already seen at least one of my husband’s coworkers vented in an ICU with COvID. He made it through, but it was a loooooooong haul - I’d very much like for me and mine to be able to stay far, far away from the ICU. Chris Christie also survived, but who knows if he has any long term consequences as a result? A week in the ICU can have pretty serious repercussions in and of itself, not even taking into account any long term consequences from COVID.

Definitely keeping my mask on and keeping up with the social distancing - nowhere near ready to let my guard down on this!

He was vented? I thought they decided this is terrible. This must have been a long time ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I must admit I thought this too. Trump and Christie already looked, even to my untrained medical eye, like exceptionally unhealthy people who could die of a stroke at any moment. Look I’m still masking and isolating and distancing, but the fact they ended up fine did give me some pause.

But that is the weird thing about this virus - Trump & Chrisitue survived it (albeit with 24/7 care and top notch care; more than anybody else would ever receive), but covid also kills that aren't obese. The symptoms are hodge podge. The infections can be hard or easy to combat. Are you a gambling man to take your chances?

Not really. The vast vast majority of deaths have been to the elderly to those with a serious health condition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My cousin (32, healthy) got it in May. She had a “mild” case (high fever lasting for days, constant, violent coughing fits, prescription inhaler, off work for 3 weeks and could barely get out of bed for the 1st 2 weeks). Months later she still needs an inhaler if she does anything too laborious Like walking upstairs quickly. She had to cut back her hours at work. She needs more sleep than she used to. She has reported depression and mental fog that is starting to gradually lift only in the last month or so. We are hoping the other symptoms will eventually dissipate and that she will be able to be as active as she was before. Right now she says she feels like an old woman.

Not everyone who “recovers” had an easy time.

Why do you say mild? I know several people who had mild symptoms like headache and malaise and recovered without issue. Like thousands of others.

Because my cousin was never hospitalized and never required experimental medication, so she is listed in these types of statistics as “mild.” Like thousands of others. The point is not that nobody gets COVID-19 and recovers quickly and easily. The point is that people who look at the statistics and say “only a small percentage of people die so it’s NBD” are overlooking the many, many people who fall in the gray area between hospitalization/death and NBD.

[Anonymous]

218, 000 didn't survive it and I seriously doubt all of them were obese like Trump and Christie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My cousin (32, healthy) got it in May. She had a “mild” case (high fever lasting for days, constant, violent coughing fits, prescription inhaler, off work for 3 weeks and could barely get out of bed for the 1st 2 weeks). Months later she still needs an inhaler if she does anything too laborious Like walking upstairs quickly. She had to cut back her hours at work. She needs more sleep than she used to. She has reported depression and mental fog that is starting to gradually lift only in the last month or so. We are hoping the other symptoms will eventually dissipate and that she will be able to be as active as she was before. Right now she says she feels like an old woman.

Not everyone who “recovers” had an easy time.

Why do you say mild? I know several people who had mild symptoms like headache and malaise and recovered without issue. Like thousands of others.

Because my cousin was never hospitalized and never required experimental medication, so she is listed in these types of statistics as “mild.” Like thousands of others. The point is not that nobody gets COVID-19 and recovers quickly and easily. The point is that people who look at the statistics and say “only a small percentage of people die so it’s NBD” are overlooking the many, many people who fall in the gray area between hospitalization/death and NBD.

Less people are dying partly to better treatments and we've killed off some of the most unhealthy - old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:218, 000 didn't survive it and I seriously doubt all of them were obese like Trump and Christie.

They aren't that obese.

[Anonymous]

They got an antibody treatment immediately, before the second and potentially deadly stage of the illness. It will be many many months (potentially a year or more?) until the rest of us can get this antibody treatment that early on (we'd also have to be able to be tested immediately).