Post going around saying kids don’t need to learn how to read until 10 or 13?

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing posts from parents about letting redshirting their Kindergarteners or letting their Kindergarteners just play during DL. And I’m not sure they realize that taking a year off a six has consequences.

Do you have K'er who is distance learning? If you did, you would realize that it really isn't working for a lot of kids, especially kids on the younger end of K. We are sticking with it (at least for now) and probably won't have him do K again, but I can absolutely understand why someone would wait a year or not worry too much about what someone is doing in DL.

Dl can work really well with an involved parent who also works with their child at home. The issue is most parents don't want to put in the effort.

Nah, the issue is that most parents have to work and produce results or risk being fired in a shit economy. It is not that most parents don't want to be involved or "put in the effort," as you claim... it is just that they cannot put in the amount of effort or be as involved as required for a K student success.

I have mentioned it before here - I have to sit by my K for 95% of her class to help her, direct her, and work with her. Plus I work one on one after class... but I am a SAHM; HOW can a working parent do this? It is impossible.

You hire help, use a day care, or a nanny share pod. We are doing it just fine. We use a shared office but we have also supplemented at home always so its normal for us every day to review and do more.

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Anonymous wrote:With exception of dyslexia or other learning issue, I feel like a fairly smart kid would not be able to help learning to read before 10. I am thinking about some stories I have read about kids kept out of school but not actively homeschooled either, with neglectful or abusive parents. They figured out how to read.

I am just kinda thinking this through now -- ok, so there are illiterate adults. But fewer than ever probably? I am thinking - illiterate parents with kids who only went to a few years of elementary before it was required, and also probably super isolated. I don't really know, but it seems like you'd have to be almost trying to keep a kid from learning to read.

A majority of the population finds reading intuitive. For this reason, many of us do not have a specific memory of learning to read. It was something we just started to do with a little adult guidance, and we learned it before we were old enough to form stable memories. Roughly 30 percent of children need explicit phonics instruction to start reading a develop into stable readers. Some subset of that 30 percent will receive a dyslexia diagnosis. There are a lot of people who are functionally illiterate from this 30 percent group. You may not know them, but I have worked with them, ages 14 to adult.

While children start reading in K-1, they are not expected to be fluent readers who have multi-syllable-word attack skills, stamina, expressiveness and comprehension until grade 3. If a child has received three years of reading instruction and is not yet fluent, then educators usually suspect a learning disability. Since fluency is expected by grade 3, academic standards shift to expecting “reading to learn” instead of “learning to read” at grade 4.

Great info, thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. Maybe they’ll technically catch up in reading, but what have they lost in terms of education in the meantime? Do they not need to read for various subjects in school?

Does this go hand in hand with anti vax homeschoolers- people who don’t trust mainstream society but can’t be bothered to teach their kids?

There are several options. A child who can't read at grade level can use apps which will read the text to them (Learning A-Z has lexiles up to 1360, or college level reading), listen to a friend or family member read, listen to an audio book, or use text-to-speech adaptive technology that people use when they can't see well enough to read a computer screen.

Reading ability doesn't correlate with learning and comprehension, except in public schools that don't offer supports.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s ridiculous. A child won’t be able to do his schoolwork and keep up with lessons, let alone take tests, if he can’t read until that late.

Again, there are options that include oral and adaptive supports.

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Anonymous wrote:We start learning abc’s at 7 when we enter grade 1. The good thing about the late start is that most kids are ready and the whole class can move on together. Expectations are high since kids were able to play-all-day for over 7 years and are more than ready to start schooling.

Who is we?

NP: Mennonites? Kindergarten is rare among them and the Amish. Amish are even less likely to be posting to argumentative internet chat boards, though.

Also, Europeans and other countries.

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Anonymous wrote:We start learning abc’s at 7 when we enter grade 1. The good thing about the late start is that most kids are ready and the whole class can move on together. Expectations are high since kids were able to play-all-day for over 7 years and are more than ready to start schooling.

Who is we?

NP: Mennonites? Kindergarten is rare among them and the Amish. Amish are even less likely to be posting to argumentative internet chat boards, though.

Also, Europeans and other countries.

British students learn to read at 4, earlier than here. But they're not European...

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing posts from parents about letting redshirting their Kindergarteners or letting their Kindergarteners just play during DL. And I’m not sure they realize that taking a year off a six has consequences.

Do you have K'er who is distance learning? If you did, you would realize that it really isn't working for a lot of kids, especially kids on the younger end of K. We are sticking with it (at least for now) and probably won't have him do K again, but I can absolutely understand why someone would wait a year or not worry too much about what someone is doing in DL.

Dl can work really well with an involved parent who also works with their child at home. The issue is most parents don't want to put in the effort.

PP is one person going on every thread saying that no one should complain, they should just be "involved." PP - do you think you are being helpful, or does it make you feel superior to post this?

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I had a friend doing Waldorf inspired homeschooling. Her oldest did not read until about 10, despite being very smart. A lot of "well-meaning" adults made very rude comments about this child and his family, but he was reading Shakespeare two years later. So, I would never do this, but I've seen it work.

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This is my issue with homeschooling. If a school bus failing, there's enough transparency to know that information.

Homeschooling familes often have little to no accountability to properly teach their children

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Anonymous wrote:I had a friend doing Waldorf inspired homeschooling. Her oldest did not read until about 10, despite being very smart. A lot of "well-meaning" adults made very rude comments about this child and his family, but he was reading Shakespeare two years later. So, I would never do this, but I've seen it work.

I guess. My 10 year old was just reading a new book of poetry that I picked up and really enjoyed it. But in the name of a teaching philosophy, he might have not been able to enjoy it for several more years. That sounds like selfishness on the parents' part. Or a learning disability.

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So, what’s my 5 year old supposed to do while her peers take another 5-8 years to learn to read?

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Anonymous wrote:I had a friend doing Waldorf inspired homeschooling. Her oldest did not read until about 10, despite being very smart. A lot of "well-meaning" adults made very rude comments about this child and his family, but he was reading Shakespeare two years later. So, I would never do this, but I've seen it work.

I guess. My 10 year old was just reading a new book of poetry that I picked up and really enjoyed it. But in the name of a teaching philosophy, he might have not been able to enjoy it for several more years. That sounds like selfishness on the parents' part. Or a learning disability.

Nah, he learned lots of poetry and stories before reading himself. It is a certain philosophy. As I said, I wouldn't be comfortable doing this, but you are making the same assumptions that rude people did in shaming this child. He was later accepted to Dartmouth.

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Anonymous wrote:This is my issue with homeschooling. If a school bus failing, there's enough transparency to know that information.

Homeschooling familes often have little to no accountability to properly teach their children

Two things...

1) we know lots of public schools fail, but nothing is done.

2) homeschoolers have a lot more invested in the success of their child than an institution does.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a friend doing Waldorf inspired homeschooling. Her oldest did not read until about 10, despite being very smart. A lot of "well-meaning" adults made very rude comments about this child and his family, but he was reading Shakespeare two years later. So, I would never do this, but I've seen it work.

I guess. My 10 year old was just reading a new book of poetry that I picked up and really enjoyed it. But in the name of a teaching philosophy, he might have not been able to enjoy it for several more years. That sounds like selfishness on the parents' part. Or a learning disability.

Nah, he learned lots of poetry and stories before reading himself. It is a certain philosophy. As I said, I wouldn't be comfortable doing this, but you are making the same assumptions that rude people did in shaming this child. He was later accepted to Dartmouth.

Yes, if I knew a 10 year old who couldn't read at all, I would wonder what the parents were doing about it. Maybe, if they were passionately anti-teaching reading, they would tell me. Otherwise, I would just judge silently rather than ask, since we likely wouldn't be close enough to do so.

Accepted at Dartmouth, good for him. I still feel sorry for him.

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Anonymous wrote:This is my issue with homeschooling. If a school bus failing, there's enough transparency to know that information.

Homeschooling familes often have little to no accountability to properly teach their children

Two things...

1) we know lots of public schools fail, but nothing is done.

2) homeschoolers have a lot more invested in the success of their child than an institution does.

Depends on the family and why they're homeschooling. Some do it for the academics but many do it for different reasons.