Shepherd vs Eaton

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, all of those responses were someone identifying themselves as OP. And OP never popped up at the time and said 'someone is impersonating me here.'

this poster did not identify themselves as OP (the website thing):

I don't assume anything.
-According to DCPS data, Shepherd and Eaton have a similar percentage of students exceeding expectations in both Math and ELA.

-Eaton has more students meeting expectations than Shepherd in Math and ELA (E: 56% & 54% vs S: 39% & 44%) because it has significantly less students who are NOT meeting expectations.

-Eaton lists a far more robust set of offerings for programs compared to Shepherd.

-Eaton is clear with a statement (albeit short) on the school's values regarding inclusion and diversity.

-Eaton reports more than double the minutes per week children spend outdoors.

Of course, it's been hard to ascertain either school's culture amid COVID quarantine. So, some of this is gleaned through reading, talking, and through their websites. Oh, one more:
-Eaton's website is superior and way more transparent than Shepherd's.

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, all of those responses were someone identifying themselves as OP. And OP never popped up at the time and said 'someone is impersonating me here.'

this poster did not identify themselves as OP (the website thing):

I don't assume anything.
-According to DCPS data, Shepherd and Eaton have a similar percentage of students exceeding expectations in both Math and ELA.

-Eaton has more students meeting expectations than Shepherd in Math and ELA (E: 56% & 54% vs S: 39% & 44%) because it has significantly less students who are NOT meeting expectations.

-Eaton lists a far more robust set of offerings for programs compared to Shepherd.

-Eaton is clear with a statement (albeit short) on the school's values regarding inclusion and diversity.

-Eaton reports more than double the minutes per week children spend outdoors.

Of course, it's been hard to ascertain either school's culture amid COVID quarantine. So, some of this is gleaned through reading, talking, and through their websites. Oh, one more:
-Eaton's website is superior and way more transparent than Shepherd's.

Thanks!

DP. That quote was a response on why people assume white = better performing which is why she’s saying she doesn’t assume. She then followed up and said “yeah she was looking at raw scores.” She also says she was psyching herself up to be okay with Shepherd. I’m just curious why the need to psych oneself up for Shepherd vs Eaton. I have no dog in this “fight” but agree that Shepherd seems like the obvious choice for many reasons. I’m curious to know why OP is having to psych as well.

OP, I know someone mentioned you were somewhere like Lowell, but you also say that your kid’s current school is more diverse than Eaton. I am very curious where you’re coming from as it can’t be private if it’s more diverse. Reason I ask is it could cast your net wider in better, more detailed responses. Also, the gender roles...I wouldn’t be too concerned. Outside of a private preschool, you’re likely to get varying responses based on individual teachers and not so much school cultures. My kid is at an EOTP DCPS and the kids easily dress in costume and play with toys that are not gender specific with no issues. As a whole, DCPS is pretty progressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, all of those responses were someone identifying themselves as OP. And OP never popped up at the time and said 'someone is impersonating me here.'

this poster did not identify themselves as OP (the website thing):

I don't assume anything.
-According to DCPS data, Shepherd and Eaton have a similar percentage of students exceeding expectations in both Math and ELA.

-Eaton has more students meeting expectations than Shepherd in Math and ELA (E: 56% & 54% vs S: 39% & 44%) because it has significantly less students who are NOT meeting expectations.

-Eaton lists a far more robust set of offerings for programs compared to Shepherd.

-Eaton is clear with a statement (albeit short) on the school's values regarding inclusion and diversity.

-Eaton reports more than double the minutes per week children spend outdoors.

Of course, it's been hard to ascertain either school's culture amid COVID quarantine. So, some of this is gleaned through reading, talking, and through their websites. Oh, one more:
-Eaton's website is superior and way more transparent than Shepherd's.

Thanks!

That's the OP. The person who posted this thread trying to figure out whether to go to Shepherd or Eaton. She's the one using raw data, investigating, going to the websites. It's the same freaking person.

Except now, she's always only wanted Shepherd, obviously!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, all of those responses were someone identifying themselves as OP. And OP never popped up at the time and said 'someone is impersonating me here.'

this poster did not identify themselves as OP (the website thing):

I don't assume anything.
-According to DCPS data, Shepherd and Eaton have a similar percentage of students exceeding expectations in both Math and ELA.

-Eaton has more students meeting expectations than Shepherd in Math and ELA (E: 56% & 54% vs S: 39% & 44%) because it has significantly less students who are NOT meeting expectations.

-Eaton lists a far more robust set of offerings for programs compared to Shepherd.

-Eaton is clear with a statement (albeit short) on the school's values regarding inclusion and diversity.

-Eaton reports more than double the minutes per week children spend outdoors.

Of course, it's been hard to ascertain either school's culture amid COVID quarantine. So, some of this is gleaned through reading, talking, and through their websites. Oh, one more:
-Eaton's website is superior and way more transparent than Shepherd's.

Thanks!

DP. That quote was a response on why people assume white = better performing which is why she’s saying she doesn’t assume. She then followed up and said “yeah she was looking at raw scores.” She also says she was psyching herself up to be okay with Shepherd. I’m just curious why the need to psych oneself up for Shepherd vs Eaton. I have no dog in this “fight” but agree that Shepherd seems like the obvious choice for many reasons. I’m curious to know why OP is having to psych as well.

OP, I know someone mentioned you were somewhere like Lowell, but you also say that your kid’s current school is more diverse than Eaton. I am very curious where you’re coming from as it can’t be private if it’s more diverse. Reason I ask is it could cast your net wider in better, more detailed responses. Also, the gender roles...I wouldn’t be too concerned. Outside of a private preschool, you’re likely to get varying responses based on individual teachers and not so much school cultures. My kid is at an EOTP DCPS and the kids easily dress in costume and play with toys that are not gender specific with no issues. As a whole, DCPS is pretty progressive.

Where did you get this idea? Many private schools actually have a ton of racial diversity -- more than most public schools WOTP.

--- former private school teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, all of those responses were someone identifying themselves as OP. And OP never popped up at the time and said 'someone is impersonating me here.'

this poster did not identify themselves as OP (the website thing):

I don't assume anything.
-According to DCPS data, Shepherd and Eaton have a similar percentage of students exceeding expectations in both Math and ELA.

-Eaton has more students meeting expectations than Shepherd in Math and ELA (E: 56% & 54% vs S: 39% & 44%) because it has significantly less students who are NOT meeting expectations.

-Eaton lists a far more robust set of offerings for programs compared to Shepherd.

-Eaton is clear with a statement (albeit short) on the school's values regarding inclusion and diversity.

-Eaton reports more than double the minutes per week children spend outdoors.

Of course, it's been hard to ascertain either school's culture amid COVID quarantine. So, some of this is gleaned through reading, talking, and through their websites. Oh, one more:
-Eaton's website is superior and way more transparent than Shepherd's.

Thanks!

DP. That quote was a response on why people assume white = better performing which is why she’s saying she doesn’t assume. She then followed up and said “yeah she was looking at raw scores.” She also says she was psyching herself up to be okay with Shepherd. I’m just curious why the need to psych oneself up for Shepherd vs Eaton. I have no dog in this “fight” but agree that Shepherd seems like the obvious choice for many reasons. I’m curious to know why OP is having to psych as well.

OP, I know someone mentioned you were somewhere like Lowell, but you also say that your kid’s current school is more diverse than Eaton. I am very curious where you’re coming from as it can’t be private if it’s more diverse. Reason I ask is it could cast your net wider in better, more detailed responses. Also, the gender roles...I wouldn’t be too concerned. Outside of a private preschool, you’re likely to get varying responses based on individual teachers and not so much school cultures. My kid is at an EOTP DCPS and the kids easily dress in costume and play with toys that are not gender specific with no issues. As a whole, DCPS is pretty progressive.

Where did you get this idea? Many private schools actually have a ton of racial diversity -- more than most public schools WOTP.

--- former private school teacher

Private school "diversity" in DC private schools means, more or less, American white kids are joined by European white kids, Asian kids and Indian kids. 90 percent come from obscene wealth. Probably 95 percent.

There's more socioeconomic diversity in DCPS. Even WOTP.

-- former private school teacher, now DCPS teacher

[Anonymous]

Are you nuts? DC and DC area private schools are only diverse visually. Scratch the surface and you find an empty shell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, all of those responses were someone identifying themselves as OP. And OP never popped up at the time and said 'someone is impersonating me here.'

this poster did not identify themselves as OP (the website thing):

I don't assume anything.
-According to DCPS data, Shepherd and Eaton have a similar percentage of students exceeding expectations in both Math and ELA.

-Eaton has more students meeting expectations than Shepherd in Math and ELA (E: 56% & 54% vs S: 39% & 44%) because it has significantly less students who are NOT meeting expectations.

-Eaton lists a far more robust set of offerings for programs compared to Shepherd.

-Eaton is clear with a statement (albeit short) on the school's values regarding inclusion and diversity.

-Eaton reports more than double the minutes per week children spend outdoors.

Of course, it's been hard to ascertain either school's culture amid COVID quarantine. So, some of this is gleaned through reading, talking, and through their websites. Oh, one more:
-Eaton's website is superior and way more transparent than Shepherd's.

Thanks!

DP. That quote was a response on why people assume white = better performing which is why she’s saying she doesn’t assume. She then followed up and said “yeah she was looking at raw scores.” She also says she was psyching herself up to be okay with Shepherd. I’m just curious why the need to psych oneself up for Shepherd vs Eaton. I have no dog in this “fight” but agree that Shepherd seems like the obvious choice for many reasons. I’m curious to know why OP is having to psych as well.

OP, I know someone mentioned you were somewhere like Lowell, but you also say that your kid’s current school is more diverse than Eaton. I am very curious where you’re coming from as it can’t be private if it’s more diverse. Reason I ask is it could cast your net wider in better, more detailed responses. Also, the gender roles...I wouldn’t be too concerned. Outside of a private preschool, you’re likely to get varying responses based on individual teachers and not so much school cultures. My kid is at an EOTP DCPS and the kids easily dress in costume and play with toys that are not gender specific with no issues. As a whole, DCPS is pretty progressive.

Where did you get this idea? Many private schools actually have a ton of racial diversity -- more than most public schools WOTP.

--- former private school teacher

What private is more diverse than Eaton (what OP said)?

50% white
20% black
14% Hispanic
6% Asian
13% low income
11% English language learner

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d stick with the Deal/Wilson feed. Even if boundaries change, you should be good with grandfathering.

Yeah, Deal middle seems to be better performing than Hardy middle. But Eaton seems to be better than Shepherd, and Deal seems to have higher parent satisfaction. But I hear you. It will be my kids first time in DCPS.

Where do you get that Eaton seems better than Shepherd?

Eaton scores 72% on DC school report card
Shepherd scores 76%

Eaton black kids on report card: 65%
Shepherd:74%

Eaton white kids on report card: 71%
Shepherd: 96%

Eaton at risk: 73%
Shepherd: 83%

Eaton kids with disabilities: 50%
Shepherd: 62%

Eaton ELL: 72%
Shepherd: 70%

Shepherd also scores higher in ECE.

Why do people on this forum always assume more white kids = better performing?

Because historically people always think “white” is right. I have a black son and I want him with black kids seeing black male teachers. So his sense of self is strengthened and never has to question who is his as black boy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d stick with the Deal/Wilson feed. Even if boundaries change, you should be good with grandfathering.

Yeah, Deal middle seems to be better performing than Hardy middle. But Eaton seems to be better than Shepherd, and Deal seems to have higher parent satisfaction. But I hear you. It will be my kids first time in DCPS.

Where do you get that Eaton seems better than Shepherd?

Eaton scores 72% on DC school report card
Shepherd scores 76%

Eaton black kids on report card: 65%
Shepherd:74%

Eaton white kids on report card: 71%
Shepherd: 96%

Eaton at risk: 73%
Shepherd: 83%

Eaton kids with disabilities: 50%
Shepherd: 62%

Eaton ELL: 72%
Shepherd: 70%

Shepherd also scores higher in ECE.

Why do people on this forum always assume more white kids = better performing?

This. Also, I know it's probably a small sample size and there may be year by year fluctuations, but white kids seem to be doing really well at Shepherd.

How do other DCPS schools compare to Shepherd on this metric, for both black and white kids?

I think that 96% for white students on report card is the highest I’ve seen in DC. But do know the sample size is small so not sure how much weight to give it.

Off hand, I’d say that score for black students is top 5-10 in DC also.

Small sample size? You’re grasping at straws. That score reflects the school and learning environment. It is a wonderful environment! I think the DCUM crowd has a very racist outlook towards students East of the Park. I keep reading here that black students have behavioral problems and Hispanic ELL students will hold back your gifted brilliant white child from a high income family. You may support BLM but you’re still a racist when it comes to schooling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, all of those responses were someone identifying themselves as OP. And OP never popped up at the time and said 'someone is impersonating me here.'

this poster did not identify themselves as OP (the website thing):

I don't assume anything.
-According to DCPS data, Shepherd and Eaton have a similar percentage of students exceeding expectations in both Math and ELA.

-Eaton has more students meeting expectations than Shepherd in Math and ELA (E: 56% & 54% vs S: 39% & 44%) because it has significantly less students who are NOT meeting expectations.

-Eaton lists a far more robust set of offerings for programs compared to Shepherd.

-Eaton is clear with a statement (albeit short) on the school's values regarding inclusion and diversity.

-Eaton reports more than double the minutes per week children spend outdoors.

Of course, it's been hard to ascertain either school's culture amid COVID quarantine. So, some of this is gleaned through reading, talking, and through their websites. Oh, one more:
-Eaton's website is superior and way more transparent than Shepherd's.

Thanks!

DP. That quote was a response on why people assume white = better performing which is why she’s saying she doesn’t assume. She then followed up and said “yeah she was looking at raw scores.” She also says she was psyching herself up to be okay with Shepherd. I’m just curious why the need to psych oneself up for Shepherd vs Eaton. I have no dog in this “fight” but agree that Shepherd seems like the obvious choice for many reasons. I’m curious to know why OP is having to psych as well.

OP, I know someone mentioned you were somewhere like Lowell, but you also say that your kid’s current school is more diverse than Eaton. I am very curious where you’re coming from as it can’t be private if it’s more diverse. Reason I ask is it could cast your net wider in better, more detailed responses. Also, the gender roles...I wouldn’t be too concerned. Outside of a private preschool, you’re likely to get varying responses based on individual teachers and not so much school cultures. My kid is at an EOTP DCPS and the kids easily dress in costume and play with toys that are not gender specific with no issues. As a whole, DCPS is pretty progressive.

Where did you get this idea? Many private schools actually have a ton of racial diversity -- more than most public schools WOTP.

--- former private school teacher

Private school "diversity" in DC private schools means, more or less, American white kids are joined by European white kids, Asian kids and Indian kids. 90 percent come from obscene wealth. Probably 95 percent.

There's more socioeconomic diversity in DCPS. Even WOTP.

-- former private school teacher, now DCPS teacher

This matched our experience. Also public handles differentiation far better and more broadly than private.