are we really supposed to pay for 3 months of a daycare we can't use?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

By “afford it when you were using it” you mean during normal economic times when people weren’t under constant fear of pay cuts/job loss/contracting an illness that could requires weeks-long hospitalization and the government had not passed expanded unemployment benefits and forgiveable payroll loans.

What people could afford a few months ago is not remotely comparable to now. And people may have been more willing to stretch their budget for a service they really needed because they felt confident in their paycheck to live stretched to their means. You sound like some childcare provider troll trying to money grab. It’s gross. Go file for unemployment or take out a loan that everyone’s taxes are covering instead of putting this on the backs of your customers to keep you employed.

[Anonymous]

I could afford to pay my daycare but decided not to. Not only do I need to stockpile cash in case it's needed but I don't trust private companies to pay their workers or not run off with the money before declaring bankruptcy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

Are you paying attention to the news? Even if you didn't lose a job, a lot has changed--salary cuts, lost work hours, *much* lower pay for people who rely primarily on commissions, profit-sharing, or other such models of compensation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I could afford to pay my daycare but decided not to. Not only do I need to stockpile cash in case it's needed but I don't trust private companies to pay their workers or not run off with the money before declaring bankruptcy.

Same here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this whole convo makes me regret nothing about having DW be a full time mom for our 3 kids. wow.

I tell people .... "yeah, they go to a nice small in-home daycare. right downstairs"

You’ve sold your wife short. What a pity. I bet she had bigger dreams for herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

Are you paying attention to the news? Even if you didn't lose a job, a lot has changed--salary cuts, lost work hours, *much* lower pay for people who rely primarily on commissions, profit-sharing, or other such models of compensation.

What that proves is... you actually couldn't afford it before, but you were paying for it anyway. You were living beyond your means and lacked any cushion for emergencies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

By “afford it when you were using it” you mean during normal economic times when people weren’t under constant fear of pay cuts/job loss/contracting an illness that could requires weeks-long hospitalization and the government had not passed expanded unemployment benefits and forgiveable payroll loans.

[If you take an economic hit then yes you should pull the plug because you have to. But that's not really the scenario here. The PP just doesn't want to pay for something she's not getting even though she can afford to pay for it..]

What people could afford a few months ago is not remotely comparable to now. [Unless you were actually laid off, wrong.]

And people may have been more willing to stretch their budget for a service they really needed because they felt confident in their paycheck to live stretched to their means.
[That says they actually couldn't afford it before. If you weren't living beyond your means before then you can still afford it now.]

You sound like some childcare provider troll trying to money grab. It’s gross. Go file for unemployment or take out a loan that everyone’s taxes are covering instead of putting this on the backs of your customers to keep you employed. [You sound like an extremely poorly educated troll who thinks it is good argumentation to attack the motives of another person. It's gross. Go take an online course in rhetoric and learn how to avoid logical fallacies in the future.]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

Are you paying attention to the news? Even if you didn't lose a job, a lot has changed--salary cuts, lost work hours, *much* lower pay for people who rely primarily on commissions, profit-sharing, or other such models of compensation.

What that proves is... you actually couldn't afford it before, but you were paying for it anyway. You were living beyond your means and lacked any cushion for emergencies.

NP. Yes. Shockingly daycare isn’t actually affordable for many families who scrape by in the daycare years. This is not news. It’s really, really freaking expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

Are you paying attention to the news? Even if you didn't lose a job, a lot has changed--salary cuts, lost work hours, *much* lower pay for people who rely primarily on commissions, profit-sharing, or other such models of compensation.

What that proves is... you actually couldn't afford it before, but you were paying for it anyway. You were living beyond your means and lacked any cushion for emergencies.

DP lol so much wrong with this response. As though daycare fees are a mortgage you commit to pay for 30 years. No. The whole point of daycare it to allow parents to work. What they can't work, they stop paying for daycare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

Are you paying attention to the news? Even if you didn't lose a job, a lot has changed--salary cuts, lost work hours, *much* lower pay for people who rely primarily on commissions, profit-sharing, or other such models of compensation.

What that proves is... you actually couldn't afford it before, but you were paying for it anyway. You were living beyond your means and lacked any cushion for emergencies.

Np. Or it could mean they can’t pay for two. I’m still working so I need somebody to watch my special needs kid. I had to find someone else to come in my home and watch my kid. I’m not going to continue to pay for care from a provider that is not providing care, plus pay another provider that is providing care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this whole convo makes me regret nothing about having DW be a full time mom for our 3 kids. wow.

I tell people .... "yeah, they go to a nice small in-home daycare. right downstairs"

Trust me, us “part time moms” are more than happy not to have you in our circle. Take care.

+1

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

By “afford it when you were using it” you mean during normal economic times when people weren’t under constant fear of pay cuts/job loss/contracting an illness that could requires weeks-long hospitalization and the government had not passed expanded unemployment benefits and forgiveable payroll loans.

[If you take an economic hit then yes you should pull the plug because you have to. But that's not really the scenario here. The PP just doesn't want to pay for something she's not getting even though she can afford to pay for it..]

What people could afford a few months ago is not remotely comparable to now. [Unless you were actually laid off, wrong.]

And people may have been more willing to stretch their budget for a service they really needed because they felt confident in their paycheck to live stretched to their means.
[That says they actually couldn't afford it before. If you weren't living beyond your means before then you can still afford it now.]

You sound like some childcare provider troll trying to money grab. It’s gross. Go file for unemployment or take out a loan that everyone’s taxes are covering instead of putting this on the backs of your customers to keep you employed. [You sound like an extremely poorly educated troll who thinks it is good argumentation to attack the motives of another person. It's gross. Go take an online course in rhetoric and learn how to avoid logical fallacies in the future.]

Hahah okay daycare operator. So people should only pull the cord on paying if they actually lose their job, not just if they’re in fear of losing it? I’m sure the loyalty will go both ways right? If a parent loses their job then the daycare will refund all that money back right? ... oh wait, no the daycare will keep all that money and tell the families too bad, so sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

By “afford it when you were using it” you mean during normal economic times when people weren’t under constant fear of pay cuts/job loss/contracting an illness that could requires weeks-long hospitalization and the government had not passed expanded unemployment benefits and forgiveable payroll loans.

[If you take an economic hit then yes you should pull the plug because you have to. But that's not really the scenario here. The PP just doesn't want to pay for something she's not getting even though she can afford to pay for it..]

What people could afford a few months ago is not remotely comparable to now. [Unless you were actually laid off, wrong.]

And people may have been more willing to stretch their budget for a service they really needed because they felt confident in their paycheck to live stretched to their means.
[That says they actually couldn't afford it before. If you weren't living beyond your means before then you can still afford it now.]

You sound like some childcare provider troll trying to money grab. It’s gross. Go file for unemployment or take out a loan that everyone’s taxes are covering instead of putting this on the backs of your customers to keep you employed. [You sound like an extremely poorly educated troll who thinks it is good argumentation to attack the motives of another person. It's gross. Go take an online course in rhetoric and learn how to avoid logical fallacies in the future.]

Sorry bolder poster, but multiple people are calling you out on your poor reasoning skills. Stop money grubbing for tuition payments as if the preschool/daycare industry is the ONLY one affected by this pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I realize that many preschools run on very thin margins, but so are many families. What "sacrifice" means for you, may not mean the same for others. Nobody wants their childcare providers to go out of business, but that doesn't mean that families who choose to pull their children out of should be guilted into paying outrageous amounts of money. And yes, to many many working families, $4k is outrageous. As far as established environments and familiar surroundings, perhaps your children are very different, but I can guarantee that mine will be starting over regardless what school she goes to after staying home for 3 months. I agree that paying your childcare is a kind thing to do if you can afford it, but please don't make the rest of us seem heartless because we chose our family financial survival over someone else's

If you could afford it when you were using it, you can afford it even though you're not using it.

By “afford it when you were using it” you mean during normal economic times when people weren’t under constant fear of pay cuts/job loss/contracting an illness that could requires weeks-long hospitalization and the government had not passed expanded unemployment benefits and forgiveable payroll loans.

[If you take an economic hit then yes you should pull the plug because you have to. But that's not really the scenario here. The PP just doesn't want to pay for something she's not getting even though she can afford to pay for it..]

What people could afford a few months ago is not remotely comparable to now. [Unless you were actually laid off, wrong.]

And people may have been more willing to stretch their budget for a service they really needed because they felt confident in their paycheck to live stretched to their means.
[That says they actually couldn't afford it before. If you weren't living beyond your means before then you can still afford it now.]

You sound like some childcare provider troll trying to money grab. It’s gross. Go file for unemployment or take out a loan that everyone’s taxes are covering instead of putting this on the backs of your customers to keep you employed. [You sound like an extremely poorly educated troll who thinks it is good argumentation to attack the motives of another person. It's gross. Go take an online course in rhetoric and learn how to avoid logical fallacies in the future.]

Sorry bolder poster, but multiple people are calling you out on your poor reasoning skills. Stop money grubbing for tuition payments as if the preschool/daycare industry is the ONLY one affected by this pandemic.

+1 this PP is actually just demonstrating how insane daycare providers are that are charging full tuition while they are closed. No perspective whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those still paying during closure, how long are you willing to do so? Are you willing/able to pay through summer into the fall if things can’t reopen until then? Or if your center reopens before things seem fully safe again, would you still send your child? If not, would you still pay while you voluntarily keep your kid(s) at home?

We’ve paid for half of March and all of April, but salaries are being cut at DH’s office and my hours are reduced due to lack of childcare. If I thought things would mostly be back to “normal” by June, I’d probably also pay for May.

But I’m thinking it will be awhile until we feel comfortable sending them back and we need to be careful with our money due to salary cuts. Anyone else unenrolling if your center expects full price ongoing? For us it’s nearly 4K, which stretches us financially even in good times and our center is unwilling to work with us despite our salary cut.

We paid March and April. We'll probably pay May. But then, IDK, as my spouse's job is not stable. Some people at his work are already out of work they can do. It's very week by week.