KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?

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Anonymous wrote:KIPP schools east of the river are some of the best options for families in ward 7 and 8. They have waitlists of hundreds of kids who want a seat. We need more great high schools and Ferebee is just sitting empty. Right now KIPP kids have to travel sometimes for hours to get to their current high school at union market. Having a ward 8 kipp high school would be great for kids and families. I’m unsure why there would be anything other than overwhelming support for this.
Also Kipp’s current high school is one of the only strong non-selective high school options in DC. Replicating the great stuff they’re doing so more kids have access to their curriculum and model is a win for everyone.
Why would anyone be outraged about more good school options?

Because we should be fixing the schools that we already have, rather than undermining them with new openings. Because it is a waste of money to operate so many half-empty schools. Because EOTR is already getting Bard and Latin II.

Do you live EOTR? Have you enrolled your child in a comprehensive high school that isn't Wilson?

My children are too young, sorry. I just don't see how enrollment projections support three new high schools. I am all for quality EOTR but how is Latin and Bard together not enough to meet the need?

Because eventually the current mayor plans to close more dcps schools widening boundaries for right to attend school. Shrinking the current dcps union and its power. Allowing charters to deal with union busting and most of th day to day stuff and political issues that go with it.

This. They want to slowly fade out the neighborhood system and leave the most vulnerable kids at the mercy of charter schools that voters have no control over.

That sounds like defending the castle walls. DCPS has been failing the most vulnerable students for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:KIPP schools east of the river are some of the best options for families in ward 7 and 8. They have waitlists of hundreds of kids who want a seat. We need more great high schools and Ferebee is just sitting empty. Right now KIPP kids have to travel sometimes for hours to get to their current high school at union market. Having a ward 8 kipp high school would be great for kids and families. I’m unsure why there would be anything other than overwhelming support for this.
Also Kipp’s current high school is one of the only strong non-selective high school options in DC. Replicating the great stuff they’re doing so more kids have access to their curriculum and model is a win for everyone.
Why would anyone be outraged about more good school options?

Because we should be fixing the schools that we already have, rather than undermining them with new openings. Because it is a waste of money to operate so many half-empty schools. Because EOTR is already getting Bard and Latin II.

Do you live EOTR? Have you enrolled your child in a comprehensive high school that isn't Wilson?

My children are too young, sorry. I just don't see how enrollment projections support three new high schools. I am all for quality EOTR but how is Latin and Bard together not enough to meet the need?

Because eventually the current mayor plans to close more dcps schools widening boundaries for right to attend school. Shrinking the current dcps union and its power. Allowing charters to deal with union busting and most of th day to day stuff and political issues that go with it.

This. They want to slowly fade out the neighborhood system and leave the most vulnerable kids at the mercy of charter schools that voters have no control over.

That sounds like defending the castle walls. DCPS has been failing the most vulnerable students for decades.

Google "Monument" if you want to know how charters treat them.

Dunbar was once turned over to an outside operator and it went very badly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community

Based on quantitative data like enrollment demand and student academic outcomes, they seem to be at least pulling their weight. When you also factor in the qualitative aspects, expanding further seems like a total no brainer to me. Very happy for tax money to be used/diverted to support these schools.

- smart white conservative

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Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community

Based on quantitative data like enrollment demand and student academic outcomes, they seem to be at least pulling their weight. When you also factor in the qualitative aspects, expanding further seems like a total no brainer to me. Very happy for tax money to be used/diverted to support these schools.

- smart white conservative

They won't do as well if they have to take all kids in a boundary throughout the year. It is much harder than what KIPP is doing, but that is what needs to be done.

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Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community

Based on quantitative data like enrollment demand and student academic outcomes, they seem to be at least pulling their weight. When you also factor in the qualitative aspects, expanding further seems like a total no brainer to me. Very happy for tax money to be used/diverted to support these schools.

- smart white conservative

They won't do as well if they have to take all kids in a boundary throughout the year. It is much harder than what KIPP is doing, but that is what needs to be done.

I actually agree with you - KIPP should be elective based on parent choice. If the parents don't want the best for their children, and aren't prepared to do what they need to do on their end to support that, then tax dollars are way better spent somewhere else. But there are still plenty of parents who fall into the good category who would benefit if they were given the chance/information. Save the kids you can save first.

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Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community

Based on quantitative data like enrollment demand and student academic outcomes, they seem to be at least pulling their weight. When you also factor in the qualitative aspects, expanding further seems like a total no brainer to me. Very happy for tax money to be used/diverted to support these schools.

- smart white conservative

They won't do as well if they have to take all kids in a boundary throughout the year. It is much harder than what KIPP is doing, but that is what needs to be done.

I actually agree with you - KIPP should be elective based on parent choice. If the parents don't want the best for their children, and aren't prepared to do what they need to do on their end to support that, then tax dollars are way better spent somewhere else. But there are still plenty of parents who fall into the good category who would benefit if they were given the chance/information. Save the kids you can save first.

This is abhorrent. Kids with incompetent parents matter too. One KIPP school and one school for the special needs, badly behaved, and new arrivals means the kids in the by-right school get screwed. Don't you care about them?

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Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community

Based on quantitative data like enrollment demand and student academic outcomes, they seem to be at least pulling their weight. When you also factor in the qualitative aspects, expanding further seems like a total no brainer to me. Very happy for tax money to be used/diverted to support these schools.

- smart white conservative

They won't do as well if they have to take all kids in a boundary throughout the year. It is much harder than what KIPP is doing, but that is what needs to be done.

ha that's twice now I've beem misinterperted what my point is you have these dumb white liberals who are anti-charter who have no idea how much of a success KIPP has been for mostly poor black families

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Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community

Based on quantitative data like enrollment demand and student academic outcomes, they seem to be at least pulling their weight. When you also factor in the qualitative aspects, expanding further seems like a total no brainer to me. Very happy for tax money to be used/diverted to support these schools.

- smart white conservative

They won't do as well if they have to take all kids in a boundary throughout the year. It is much harder than what KIPP is doing, but that is what needs to be done.

ha that's twice now I've beem misinterperted what my point is you have these dumb white liberals who are anti-charter who have no idea how much of a success KIPP has been for mostly poor black families

I know all too well. Yes, success for some. Failure and another year of disrupted education for others. KIPP systematically pushes out those with behavioral needs, even if rooted in special needs or childhood trauma. KIPP cherrypicks the easier to serve kids, and it is not an apples-to-apples comparison with DCPS schools that must take by-address admissions all year, in all grades, and serve much greater special needs than KIPP is willing to do. Check out the recent WHYY article if you need an overview.

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Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community

Based on quantitative data like enrollment demand and student academic outcomes, they seem to be at least pulling their weight. When you also factor in the qualitative aspects, expanding further seems like a total no brainer to me. Very happy for tax money to be used/diverted to support these schools.

- smart white conservative

They won't do as well if they have to take all kids in a boundary throughout the year. It is much harder than what KIPP is doing, but that is what needs to be done.

I actually agree with you - KIPP should be elective based on parent choice. If the parents don't want the best for their children, and aren't prepared to do what they need to do on their end to support that, then tax dollars are way better spent somewhere else. But there are still plenty of parents who fall into the good category who would benefit if they were given the chance/information. Save the kids you can save first.

This is abhorrent. Kids with incompetent parents matter too. One KIPP school and one school for the special needs, badly behaved, and new arrivals means the kids in the by-right school get screwed. Don't you care about them?

Of course they matter. But I'm not going to let all the apples on the tree suffer because I can't reach the ones at the very top right now. That's ridiculous. I'll help the ones I can first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community

Based on quantitative data like enrollment demand and student academic outcomes, they seem to be at least pulling their weight. When you also factor in the qualitative aspects, expanding further seems like a total no brainer to me. Very happy for tax money to be used/diverted to support these schools.

- smart white conservative

They won't do as well if they have to take all kids in a boundary throughout the year. It is much harder than what KIPP is doing, but that is what needs to be done.

ha that's twice now I've beem misinterperted what my point is you have these dumb white liberals who are anti-charter who have no idea how much of a success KIPP has been for mostly poor black families

I know all too well. Yes, success for some. Failure and another year of disrupted education for others. KIPP systematically pushes out those with behavioral needs, even if rooted in special needs or childhood trauma. KIPP cherrypicks the easier to serve kids, and it is not an apples-to-apples comparison with DCPS schools that must take by-address admissions all year, in all grades, and serve much greater special needs than KIPP is willing to do. Check out the recent WHYY article if you need an overview.

KIPP has one of the best wraparound comprehensive sped programs in the city. For free. And anyone who gets in off the waitlist is eligible for it. Their “learning center” at the Douglass campus educated kids with special needs who have been unserved or underserved for years at DCPS. Check your facts.

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Anonymous wrote:KIPP is going after another building. This time Ferebee Hope. Where is the protest? Doesn’t anyone care that they are taking over with their militaristic ways of treating kids and parents?

You're crazy.

Maybe there's a KIPP for adults willing to take you in?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community

Based on quantitative data like enrollment demand and student academic outcomes, they seem to be at least pulling their weight. When you also factor in the qualitative aspects, expanding further seems like a total no brainer to me. Very happy for tax money to be used/diverted to support these schools.

- smart white conservative

They won't do as well if they have to take all kids in a boundary throughout the year. It is much harder than what KIPP is doing, but that is what needs to be done.

ha that's twice now I've beem misinterperted what my point is you have these dumb white liberals who are anti-charter who have no idea how much of a success KIPP has been for mostly poor black families

I know all too well. Yes, success for some. Failure and another year of disrupted education for others. KIPP systematically pushes out those with behavioral needs, even if rooted in special needs or childhood trauma. KIPP cherrypicks the easier to serve kids, and it is not an apples-to-apples comparison with DCPS schools that must take by-address admissions all year, in all grades, and serve much greater special needs than KIPP is willing to do. Check out the recent WHYY article if you need an overview.

Please link to the article.

I have a child at KIPP and I personally know MANY students who, based on behavior could have been counseled out, but weren’t. I also know that a few years later they are thriving. I spend a significant amount of time in the school, and am known by all the kids, KIPP can’t serve every kid, but they damn well try their best.

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I would rather see Latin get that building. There are too many Kipps and their kind of aggressive and demeaning schools.

[Anonymous]

KIPP pays people to post nice things about them here.

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Anonymous wrote:KIPP pays people to post nice things about them here.

I’m the KIPP parent on this thread, and I wish I was getting paid to say nice things. I’m not, I’m just happy with the education my child and their classmates are getting.