Stroke and turn Judge at B swim meets

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just hate sports around here. I was on a neighborhood swim team for years in the 80s, through my teens. We didn’t have turn judges and the only DQs I remember were the people who dove before the gun (and even then I think you got at least one false start do-over). People take themselves—or their kids—so seriously here!! Who cares what their kids’ times are? Do you think you have a little michael Phelps? Some of the kids I swam with later swam for Stanford, so I think they somehow managed to learn how to swim without being DQed by turn judges.
This is part of why I don’t let my kids do swim team. So ridiculous.

DQing is not about being competitive, it is about being fair. Why should a kid be rewarded for getting a faster time when they didn't swim a stroke properly?

You don't want your kid doing swim team because because they may get DQd and told they didn't swim a stroke right? Personally, i want my kids to learn how to do it right. So many kids start out in summer swim and later go on to swim for year round competitive teams. Summer swim is one of the highlight of my kids year; they absolutely love it. My son loved it even back during his first season where he got lots of DQs for breast, being on the team and competing was fun to him. He learned from his mistakes and is now a great swimmer who loved the sport.

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Swim folk….keeping it niche. Just the way they want it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Swim folk….keeping it niche. Just the way they want it.

Yes, that’s why our own kids - even those who have been swimming year round for years- dq. Because the system is biased...oh...wait...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The swim parents at our pool like to think they’re laid back and chill but they aren’t. The amount of screaming while
their kids are swimming at meets is terrifying. The kids are underwater— they can’t hear you and I don’t think they want to hear you either. And the amount of time and volunteering the team expects from parents is also not laid-back. Finally, the swim families are so clique-ish. The parents don’t interact with non swim-team families, the kids think the pool belongs to them and not all the families. Finally, the families of top swimmers self-segregate from even the rest of the swim team families!

One...if you’re at a swim meet where people aren’t cheering it’s quiet and weird.

Two...if parents don’t volunteer the meets can’t happen. Period.

Three...maybe your swim team was clique-ish, but ours isn’t. We are a mid-low division MCSL team in a neighborhood with focus schools...maybe the top teams are like that, but most are supportive and fun based on what I’ve heard from other friends.

Nope - our top team is fun with fun parents.

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I don't get how volunteering is a negative. We are happy to volunteer.

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Anonymous wrote:If they get a legal time at a b meet, they might mistakenly be put in an A meet even though they cant swim the stroke legally.

It happened to my DD.

This. You don't want kids who can't swim the stroke legally to displace kids who can. I've seen it happen, especially at time trials, where the S&T judges are either inexperienced or rusty.

+1

Plus part of DQing is knowing what you did wrong so you don’t make the same mistake again and can learn proper form. Any good coach or team rep will let you know why you DQd.

FWIW for the sake of time we often don’t DQ 6 and unders at B meets

Some pools will list the reason for the DQ on the results sheet. I wish they all did this.

8Us DQ a lot on breaststroke.

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My kid finally swam a legal breast and butterfly in the last two weeks. It was his goal for the year. He was DQ'd many times and just kept working at it. I agree we need the judges to point out what a young kid needs to work on. DS is 8U.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they get a legal time at a b meet, they might mistakenly be put in an A meet even though they cant swim the stroke legally.

It happened to my DD.

This. You don't want kids who can't swim the stroke legally to displace kids who can. I've seen it happen, especially at time trials, where the S&T judges are either inexperienced or rusty.

+1

Plus part of DQing is knowing what you did wrong so you don’t make the same mistake again and can learn proper form. Any good coach or team rep will let you know why you DQd.

FWIW for the sake of time we often don’t DQ 6 and unders at B meets

Some pools will list the reason for the DQ on the results sheet. I wish they all did this.

8Us DQ a lot on breaststroke.

They don’t list it on the result sheet but for every DQ the judge fils out a DQ slip. The dq slip states the rule/why they DQ. In order to write the slip the stroke judge must state to the referee the rule that was broken. The slip is given to the team rep who passes it on to the coach. Swimmers should always talk to their coach to find out why they DQd.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh! Seriously? DQing 4 kids in an 8 & under heat of 6? Bragging about, "I'm DQing so many kids, the officials can't keep up!"

Then the crazy swim parents actually justify this nonsense. But what do I know, I refereed Youth, HS and NCAA lacrosse and youth and HS football for a combined 20 yrs of officiating.

In ALL sports except swimming, the expectations from the officials are lessened for younger athletes. If youth hoops were officiated the way that swimming is, the scores would be 0-0 and the refs would be the only people that got to do anything. 20-30 traveling calls and 20-30 double dribble calls.....game over.

And the crazy swim folks wonder why they can't get kids to swim on the team....maybe officiate the way that every other sport in the world is officiated! A kid goes to check their time.....DQ! No time for you, go home, you suck.

And before the trolls strike, my kids have been DQ'd, but none were amoungthe 4/6 heat above.

I don’t get that the stroke and turn judge was bragging. It actually sounds like you’re looking to find fault in his attitude because of the number of dq’s. Swim is no different from any other sport. A kid takes lessons or goes to practice but in any game, he can be fouled, dq’ed, etc. it’s funny you think the crazy swim parents are justifying this. How is this different for your kid getting a math problem wrong or taking too many steps in basketball or using hands in soccer? Would you actually prefer if a kid who did it wrong and didn’t get dq’ed Because of your rainbows and unicorns take on it and falsely beat a better swimmer? You’d be jumping up and down if your kid was the slower but non dq’ed time. My guess is your kid was all excited with the finish and saw she dq’ed. It’s a tough lesson but isn’t that all of life - lessons?

And we don’t wonder why people aren’t signing up for swim. Club teams are packed.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! The crazy swim parents didn't take long.

So please tell referees at your kids' kindergarten basketball games that travelling, double dribbles, 3 seconds etc, must be called. Play with 10 ft hoops on full sized courts...play soccer on full fields, full rosters, with regular goals and the offsides rule. The swim folks have explained it.... ALL RULES MUST BE STRICTLY ADHERED TO BY 6yr OLDS OR THEY"LL NEVER LEARN. Please tell your kid's teachers this as well. Little Timmy misspelled a word on a test in 1st grade.....well, if we don't give him an F, he'll never learn.

Way to grow your sport....or is keeping it small the point?

If you'd been able to make a team in another sport, you'd have understood the officiating analogy. But hey, at least you had swimming.

There are accommodations for little guys in our league. Anyone under age 8 only swims a 25 even though there are no official time standards for 25 of anything. DQ isn’t the end of the world. It happens to everyone. But the person bragging about it is a jack@ss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh! Seriously? DQing 4 kids in an 8 & under heat of 6? Bragging about, "I'm DQing so many kids, the officials can't keep up!"

Then the crazy swim parents actually justify this nonsense. But what do I know, I refereed Youth, HS and NCAA lacrosse and youth and HS football for a combined 20 yrs of officiating.

In ALL sports except swimming, the expectations from the officials are lessened for younger athletes. If youth hoops were officiated the way that swimming is, the scores would be 0-0 and the refs would be the only people that got to do anything. 20-30 traveling calls and 20-30 double dribble calls.....game over.

And the crazy swim folks wonder why they can't get kids to swim on the team....maybe officiate the way that every other sport in the world is officiated! A kid goes to check their time.....DQ! No time for you, go home, you suck.

And before the trolls strike, my kids have been DQ'd, but none were amoungthe 4/6 heat above.

I don’t get that the stroke and turn judge was bragging. It actually sounds like you’re looking to find fault in his attitude because of the number of dq’s. Swim is no different from any other sport. A kid takes lessons or goes to practice but in any game, he can be fouled, dq’ed, etc. it’s funny you think the crazy swim parents are justifying this. How is this different for your kid getting a math problem wrong or taking too many steps in basketball or using hands in soccer? Would you actually prefer if a kid who did it wrong and didn’t get dq’ed Because of your rainbows and unicorns take on it and falsely beat a better swimmer? You’d be jumping up and down if your kid was the slower but non dq’ed time. My guess is your kid was all excited with the finish and saw she dq’ed. It’s a tough lesson but isn’t that all of life - lessons?

And we don’t wonder why people aren’t signing up for swim. Club teams are packed.

People aren't signing up for swim as its a huge commitment and most parent are not willing to put in the effort and cost. Teams like RMSC are always full and tons of kids want to get in and cannot so not sure why you are saying no wonder people don't sign up.

[Anonymous]

This is one of the best things about swimming. Standardization from the bottom to the top.
There's very little subjectivity about it.

[Anonymous]

finally getting legal in breast and fly is a huge deal for the little swimmers. They are working towards that, not so much to win.

Although, I always told my guys at that age, who were very slow swimmers, all you have to do is get across the pool doing the stroke correctly and even if you are the last one to touch the wall, if you are the only one who does it right because you are focusing on doing it right, not fast, you win!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! The crazy swim parents didn't take long.

So please tell referees at your kids' kindergarten basketball games that travelling, double dribbles, 3 seconds etc, must be called. Play with 10 ft hoops on full sized courts...play soccer on full fields, full rosters, with regular goals and the offsides rule. The swim folks have explained it.... ALL RULES MUST BE STRICTLY ADHERED TO BY 6yr OLDS OR THEY"LL NEVER LEARN. Please tell your kid's teachers this as well. Little Timmy misspelled a word on a test in 1st grade.....well, if we don't give him an F, he'll never learn.

Way to grow your sport....or is keeping it small the point?

If you'd been able to make a team in another sport, you'd have understood the officiating analogy. But hey, at least you had swimming.

There are accommodations for little guys in our league. Anyone under age 8 only swims a 25 even though there are no official time standards for 25 of anything. DQ isn’t the end of the world. It happens to everyone. But the person bragging about it is a jack@ss

Where do you swim?
In MCSL, all 8U strokes are 25s, with official times, and for 9/10s, Free is 50 and everything else is 25.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow! The crazy swim parents didn't take long.

So please tell referees at your kids' kindergarten basketball games that travelling, double dribbles, 3 seconds etc, must be called. Play with 10 ft hoops on full sized courts...play soccer on full fields, full rosters, with regular goals and the offsides rule. The swim folks have explained it.... ALL RULES MUST BE STRICTLY ADHERED TO BY 6yr OLDS OR THEY"LL NEVER LEARN. Please tell your kid's teachers this as well. Little Timmy misspelled a word on a test in 1st grade.....well, if we don't give him an F, he'll never learn.

Way to grow your sport....or is keeping it small the point?

If you'd been able to make a team in another sport, you'd have understood the officiating analogy. But hey, at least you had swimming.

There are accommodations for little guys in our league. Anyone under age 8 only swims a 25 even though there are no official time standards for 25 of anything. DQ isn’t the end of the world. It happens to everyone. But the person bragging about it is a jack@ss

Where do you swim?
In MCSL, all 8U strokes are 25s, with official times, and for 9/10s, Free is 50 and everything else is 25.

Sorry, I meant there are no time standards for 25s. They are an accommodation for young swimmers.