WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is vertically challenged and would like to be admitted to a top school via the athlete route. Please tell me where I can an accommodation that would force the basketball team to lower the net. My DC is really really good in shooting and make all the baskets - just need the net to be lowered...

+1 or the the starting line for track be closer to the finish line. It's not my DC's fault he is short. He was just born that way.

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Anonymous wrote:No one should get extra time. It is just a scam for the wealthy to push their kids above the others.

In real life you don't get extra time.

at work, I give extra time all the time.

Where do you work? I don't know many professions where you just get extra time. I would be curious

I work for a big contracting firm doing IT project management... time, scope, cost...

time is often extended...

I would rather wait for the best engineer to give me his design then have somebody who I know has the same credentials but is not as good give me his. Of course the best engineers are a little ADHD, maybe Aspie and often OCD.

Often I have to say "good enough" and deal with them being not so happy because it is not perfect.. we don't waterfall we are agile so ...

I don't' care... I want the best design.

Somehow all these tech people who are in the work force now were able to do fairly well without the "adversity" score bump.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, this is why we need the adversity score on the SAT

The Adversity Score, as I understand it, would give a URM millionaire's kid the same Adversity Score as a low income URM's kid simply by virtue of sharing the same zip code. It would give that same URM millionaire's kid a higher Adversity score than an impoverished white kid living in Appalachia simply by virtue of sharing the same zip code.

The millionaire's kid who lives in a grand mountain chalet and has traveled around the world would somehow have the same or higher Adversity score than his/her poorer peers. That doesn't seem right.

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I'd be fine with extra time for all. I don't think it is an issue of the wealthy "gaming" the system. It's an issue of people who are not wealthy lacking the time, money, and resources to get accommodations/diagnoses for kids who need them. The school can call parents and suggest that kids are having issues with particular aspects of schoolwork, but they can't suggest a diagnosis or demand an evaluation.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not give all of the test takers extra time. If they finish early, they can leave. If they need the extra time for whatever reason (maybe undiagnosed LD) they will have it along with the test takers who need the additional time.

Because those with the “true” accomodations don’t want that. They just want their kid to get the extra time to “level” the playing field...

That is not true. Extra time for people who don't need it don't help them.

I can give your child my glasses also.. not biggie. They can also use the ramp at school instead of the stairs.

Yes, we have heard the arguments that extra time for people who don’t need them won’t help them. So why the resistance to give extra time for all?

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Anonymous wrote:Why not give all of the test takers extra time. If they finish early, they can leave. If they need the extra time for whatever reason (maybe undiagnosed LD) they will have it along with the test takers who need the additional time.

I agree, everybody should have extra time... but they can't leave when they are done. They have to sit there until everybody is done. That is how extra time works.

People who don't need extra time don't benefit from extra time. It's a cost issue and scheduling issue.

Who says Rules can’t be changed? Change the rules that the time is now 2 hours and if you finish in one hour, you can leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not give all of the test takers extra time. If they finish early, they can leave. If they need the extra time for whatever reason (maybe undiagnosed LD) they will have it along with the test takers who need the additional time.

I agree with this. Our child needs additional time because of diabetes. They need to measure blood sugar and inject insulin if blood sugar is high or eat/drink something if blood sugar is low. My friend's child gets additional time because of epilepsy: their brain sometimes stops working for a few seconds here and there. Therefore it would be unfair to the truly sick kids to disallow the additional time for all. Everybody should be able to take as much time as they need.

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FBI or a Federal attorney should crack down on parents who abuse testing accommodations opportunity and the psychologists/doctors who sell the diagnoses for money.

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Anonymous wrote:College Board approves 94% of requests??? So there is no real investigation? Who ever said it was difficult to get extra time accommodation is full of hog wash. A 94% approval rate is not an indication that it is difficult to get approval.

College board requires proof of diagnosis for accomodations. Once you have a qualified diagnosis, who is the College Board to say that the kid's diagnosis isn't valid? Getting an evaluation to get a diagnosis is an $$$ multiday process. All of you people implying that parents and kids are faking should count your lucky stars that your kid doesn't have a learning disability or other learning challenges.

So you are saying every person getting extra time truly has a learning disability that requires another hour of time to complete the test?

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Anonymous wrote:Why not give all of the test takers extra time. If they finish early, they can leave. If they need the extra time for whatever reason (maybe undiagnosed LD) they will have it along with the test takers who need the additional time.

Because those with the “true” accomodations don’t want that. They just want their kid to get the extra time to “level” the playing field...

That is not true. Extra time for people who don't need it don't help them.

I can give your child my glasses also.. not biggie. They can also use the ramp at school instead of the stairs.

So....the ones who don't need the extra time leave when they are done and let the others who need extra time have it? Not really seeing the downside there.

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Anonymous wrote:No one should get extra time. It is just a scam for the wealthy to push their kids above the others.

In real life you don't get extra time.

at work, I give extra time all the time.

Where do you work? I don't know many professions where you just get extra time. I would be curious

I’m a lawyer and we get extensions all the time. And there are almost no “quick you only have 3 hours but certainly not 4.5 hours!” drills.

If so many kids need more time, just extend the amount of time the rest takes. It should still be curved to the same distribution.

Good lord, because your clients pay for your extra time!!

So true

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is vertically challenged and would like to be admitted to a top school via the athlete route. Please tell me where I can an accommodation that would force the basketball team to lower the net. My DC is really really good in shooting and make all the baskets - just need the net to be lowered...

They have that, it's called D3.

They now have athletic scholarships and no academic need to get into a D3 sport?

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I know this sounds crazy, but I don't see how extra time helps. I was smart and affluent and always finished early. I'm a fast reader and extra time wouldn't have helped me.

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Anonymous wrote:This is another reason why we need the “adversity score” on the SAT.

This makes it worse for my child. Try being a white student on major financial aid in a college prep school. All the richies and URM's get the good colleges. No one wants smart white kids that need aid. Colleges need money or numbers to check off their list. If you aren't one, you are not getting in.

Wait your child is getting the incredible privilege of a Chanel education on your Walmart budget and you’re STILL bitterly whining about it not being ENOUGH extra privilege for your kid?

Not the PP, but this is EXACTLY what parents say at college level too. Like your money means you deserve a better education than others. You are paying for the poor and they should be satisfied they are even going to that school. When in fact, it is very clear that kids on FA at any level of education are there because they are smarter than the full paying kids and they bring up the stats they love to profess without having private tutors, test prep, legacy, etc... So I think you need to check yourself.

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No time limit. Hand in when you are done. The End