Which schools outpace their location and vice versa?

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Anonymous wrote:Probably not Penn, but Philadelphia drags down Drexel and Temple due to their location. Baltimore certainly drags down Johns Hopkins.

Conversely, Boston props up Boston University and Northeastern, while New York props up NYU and Fordham, but not necessarily Columbia.

There are a lot of mid-sized schools in depressing towns in New York and Pennsylvania that would have higher profiles if they were in nicer areas either in New England or the South. Hobart/William Smith, Bucknell, and Washington & Jefferson come to mind.

Have you been to Fordham? It’s in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods of the Bronx. It’s far from the NYC glam that applicants expect. I have friends who live in other areas of the Bronx and try to avoid the area.

I wouldn't say the Fordham area is one of the most dangerous parts of the Bronx, but in any event the NYC location gives Fordham a boost among students from other areas it probably wouldn't otherwise enjoy. Plenty of kids want to go to school in NYC, and Columbia is super-competitive and NYU super-expensive.

When people say they want to go to NYC, they really mean the heart of Manhattan like NYU.
Columbia is right next to Harlem making it's location is more of disadvantage than an advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:Yale-New Haven and Brown-Providence, although both cities are nicer than they used to be.

I can't speak about what Providence used to be like, but it was a major selling point for my kid to choose Brown over Wesleyan (speaking of towns that drag a college down, Middletown was pretty bleak). The areas adjoining campus are great and the downtown - while a little sleepy - is nice.

Providence used to be referred to as the armpit of New England and it was not vibrant or particularly safe. It was revitalized in the 80s and 90s and is much nicer now.

Providence is a small and very manageable city with lots of culture and amazing restaurants. The river through the city is an attraction with the water fire events and even has gondolas cruising up and down the river. Try the grilled pizza at Alforno.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Probably not Penn, but Philadelphia drags down Drexel and Temple due to their location. Baltimore certainly drags down Johns Hopkins.

Conversely, Boston props up Boston University and Northeastern, while New York props up NYU and Fordham, but not necessarily Columbia.

There are a lot of mid-sized schools in depressing towns in New York and Pennsylvania that would have higher profiles if they were in nicer areas either in New England or the South. Hobart/William Smith, Bucknell, and Washington & Jefferson come to mind.

Have you been to Fordham? It’s in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods of the Bronx. It’s far from the NYC glam that applicants expect. I have friends who live in other areas of the Bronx and try to avoid the area.

I wouldn't say the Fordham area is one of the most dangerous parts of the Bronx, but in any event the NYC location gives Fordham a boost among students from other areas it probably wouldn't otherwise enjoy. Plenty of kids want to go to school in NYC, and Columbia is super-competitive and NYU super-expensive.

When people say they want to go to NYC, they really mean the heart of Manhattan like NYU.
Columbia is right next to Harlem making it's location is more of disadvantage than an advantage.

NYU's location was a gigantic drawback for my DC, FWIW. She wanted urban, but a defined campus. NYU is not that.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who went to school in a small Midwest town in the country, the location far removed from most of the chowderheads on DCUM made the location ideal.

WTH is this supposed to mean?

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Anonymous wrote:South Bend drags Notre Dame down.

Signed,
An ND Grad

South Bend is a tiny midwest town with dirt cheap real estate, and Notre Dame is filthy rich. Why can't such a powerful university make REAL changes to its community?

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/business/notre-dame-s-impact-on-the-region-billion-a-year/article_3b2c8dca-ce77-52f1-8f41-17830269106d.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:South Bend drags Notre Dame down.

Signed,
An ND Grad

South Bend is a tiny midwest town with dirt cheap real estate, and Notre Dame is filthy rich. Why can't such a powerful university make REAL changes to its community?

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/business/notre-dame-s-impact-on-the-region-billion-a-year/article_3b2c8dca-ce77-52f1-8f41-17830269106d.html

I was waiting for this...nice comeback.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Probably not Penn, but Philadelphia drags down Drexel and Temple due to their location. Baltimore certainly drags down Johns Hopkins.

Conversely, Boston props up Boston University and Northeastern, while New York props up NYU and Fordham, but not necessarily Columbia.

There are a lot of mid-sized schools in depressing towns in New York and Pennsylvania that would have higher profiles if they were in nicer areas either in New England or the South. Hobart/William Smith, Bucknell, and Washington & Jefferson come to mind.

Have you been to Fordham? It’s in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods of the Bronx. It’s far from the NYC glam that applicants expect. I have friends who live in other areas of the Bronx and try to avoid the area.

I wouldn't say the Fordham area is one of the most dangerous parts of the Bronx, but in any event the NYC location gives Fordham a boost among students from other areas it probably wouldn't otherwise enjoy. Plenty of kids want to go to school in NYC, and Columbia is super-competitive and NYU super-expensive.

That’s exactly it. And for folks not from NY it’s understandable. But the previous poster is right. They are not going to hanging in the city - they are going to be hanging in the Fordham bars and going to White Castle @ 4 am. My DD thought the Fordham location was great because of the adjacent metro north station. Her Mom, born and raised in the Bronx was having no part of it.

[Anonymous]

I feel this way about UConn Storrs - too rural. Put it in Stamford and it would be very desirable. Stanford has a decent downtown and the train is right there for NYC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who went to school in a small Midwest town in the country, the location far removed from most of the chowderheads on DCUM made the location ideal.

WTH is this supposed to mean?

IDK. Simple words...
Maybe if you provincial folks in the DMV didn't diss every location not in the NE or urban, someone might treat you seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Of all the flagship public colleges in the midwest it think its not accident that Ann Arbor (MI) and Madison (WI) have the best location with the rep of a cool midwestern city vibe and enough going on to make it desirable.

Although in the case of Ann Arbor a lot of that is due to the university.

In both cases I think its bc of the university (the city has grown around the university) but IMO both Madiaon and Ann Arbor are better cities than the locations of Nebraska, U Illinios, Iowa or Ohio State, which in turn boosts those colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who went to school in a small Midwest town in the country, the location far removed from most of the chowderheads on DCUM made the location ideal.

WTH is this supposed to mean?

IDK. Simple words...
Maybe if you provincial folks in the DMV didn't diss every location not in the NE or urban, someone might treat you seriously.

Why so angry? You can't explain what you meant? It is not all about you, believe it or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:South Bend drags Notre Dame down.

Signed,
An ND Grad

South Bend is a tiny midwest town with dirt cheap real estate, and Notre Dame is filthy rich. Why can't such a powerful university make REAL changes to its community?

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/business/notre-dame-s-impact-on-the-region-billion-a-year/article_3b2c8dca-ce77-52f1-8f41-17830269106d.html

I was waiting for this...nice comeback.

Is it me, or do most of the people in this photo look alike, if not related? Maybe that is why prospective students are trying to go to college in the the places you so despise, other PP?

[Anonymous]

Of course ND - and all colleges that are not for-profit - are exempt from any property or business taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, some of these more remote areas help the campuses have a distinct feel (compared to urban campuses) and the lower cost-of-living helps their finances.

Yet Notre Dame likes to pretend it is on the same financial level as Georgetown or Boston College (MUCH more expensive cities) and charge equally exorbitant tuition when, yes, of course, cost of living in South Bend is MUCH, much less. Blegh. Get over yourself, ND. (And I'm from a big, multigenerational, ND family.)

Why would the cost of education at a private school be lower in a low COL area aside from housing? You still have the same costs for attracting high caliber faculty (sometimes the only way to draw faculty to live in South Bend is being paid on par or better as faculty in higher COL areas plus other perks), pay for the same services and infrastructure, pay for the same administrative costs, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:South Bend drags Notre Dame down.

Signed,
An ND Grad

South Bend is a tiny midwest town with dirt cheap real estate, and Notre Dame is filthy rich. Why can't such a powerful university make REAL changes to its community?

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/business/notre-dame-s-impact-on-the-region-billion-a-year/article_3b2c8dca-ce77-52f1-8f41-17830269106d.html

I was waiting for this...nice comeback.

Is it me, or do most of the people in this photo look alike, if not related? Maybe that is why prospective students are trying to go to college in the the places you so despise, other PP?

...what?