Appeal Questions
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Anonymous
Agree that NNAT and CogAT appear in relative agreement and not all that high relative to other years or what has been shared this year. Interesting observation that so many parents seem so invested in the GBRS comments but not so much the rating/score. It isn’t clear parents appreciate the GBRS and while I realize it has changed some, it seems to me the score remains the important part be it numerical or alphabetical. There have to be some kind of comments, can’t be blank, and the comments have to be positive. So of course there are positive comments - but how much the teacher observes traits in your child is the key part. |
Anonymous
GBRS 4C is the highest one can get. If WISC comes back higher than CogAT/NNAT, appeal could be successful. |
Anonymous
| If the committee really considered 4 Cs like a 16, the kid should have been admitted. There just seems to be so much inconsistency. |
Anonymous
I don’t necessarily agree. High GBRS is great but those test scores aren’t very high. Plenty of people not eligible last year with similar scores. My child had similar NNAT to this, higher CoGat and 15 GBRS and had to appeal to get in. These aren’t absolute shoe-in scores but great chances on appeal. |
Anonymous
| Its a good chance on appeal IF the committee is looking at 4 Cs like a 16 GBRS, and we just don't know what the deal is with that. |
Anonymous
| Thank you for responses. I think DC will do better with WISC. DC can be very easily distracted in a group setting if not doing what interests DC. By how much, I don't know. Would I want to withhold WISC scores and not submit if not higher than 130? I can see if it is higher than CogAT/NNAT maybe with one of the subsections in 130's, it is worth submitting. Given good GBRS... |
Anonymous
This frustrates me so much. You guys don’t understand that a WISC is an IQ test and the CoGAT is an ability test. They measure different things and can therefore be vastly different. My son bombed the CoGAT but had a very high WISC. |
Anonymous
Sure, but this forum also gives people a distorted idea that a high WISC is likely. Some kids get much higher WISC scores than their CogAT or NNAT, but a lot don't. If people strongly feel that their kid belongs in AAP, and that the CogAT and NNAT aren't accurate reflections of the kid's intelligence, then they should get the WISC done. They just shouldn't go into it expecting that the result will be useful for AAP appeals. |
Anonymous
No, people do understand that. For most kids, the CogAT and NNAT are decent proxies for a childs IQ. They are not perfect but most of the population will have similar scores on the CogAT as the WISC. There are exceptions to the rule, like your child. The reality is that the WISC is a better tool but too expensive and they county needed to find the best approximation. So while the OPs child might crush the WISC, it is more likely that the score will be in the 125-130 range. The real issue is that 125 is still really, really smart but because of this process we lose sight of that because we want scores in the 130-150 range since those scores are more likely to lead to an AAP acceptance. |
Anonymous
| Agree, a 125 IQ is 95th percentile and that would easily get a kid into almost any other county's gifted program. |
Anonymous
I think this child would get in on appeal with 125-130 WISC with GBRS that is 4 consistently marks. If child had 2C 2F, maybe not. It seems like GBRS was given really high weighting this year. CogAT and NNAT are not in pool but not very low either. |
Anonymous
When you heavily prep your child for NNAT and CogAT and their scores are inflated, you might be disappointed at the WISC score which is a truer reflection of their level. |
Anonymous
From what I can tell, they want the Quantitative section to be high. So you could have a high overall score with low Q and not get in. And that goes with what our AART has said in the past that people with language arts issues should not shy away from AAP, but students who struggle with math should rethink it. I also think if the GBRS comments lean more towards Math strength than language arts strengths, it was seen as a good thing. So I would really think you would need a WISC to overcome the lower Q score. |
Anonymous
I thought being placed in advanced math and getting 4s would prove DC can handle AAP math. DC doesn't struggle with it at all. GBRS also has many examples how DC is fast at grasping math concepts. Maybe committee wants to see the additional data point to prove that point further? Or maybe they think DC will be fine with advanced math only because DC wasn't marked "advanced" in Language arts within GBRS. |
Anonymous
My kid is in advanced math and reading, all 4s, great cogat scores, - except Q was a little under 120. Not in. GBRS were good, but only talked about math in one or two points. |