Why are so many UMC kids "gifted but learning disabled"?

[Anonymous]

Whether or not the designation is accurate, UMC parents can afford private testing plus tutoring and other supports to make 2e work for them. Poor parents can’t. The most 2e kid I ever met was the son of an undocumented nanny. He was severely dyslexic and dysgraphic, but had an astounding vocabulary and memory. He was stuck in self-contained SpEd reading and math classes purely because of how he was coded.

[Anonymous]

UMCs tend to have kids later, especially in DMV.

www.sociologicalscience.com/download/volume%201/april/parental-age-cognitive-disability-among-children.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because no one wants average kids. Everyone around here seems to think there kid is super smart or has SN.

The SN forum is full of people who want neurotypical kids.

OMG this! This is me. What I wouldn't give to have an average neurotypical kid...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether or not the designation is accurate, UMC parents can afford private testing plus tutoring and other supports to make 2e work for them. Poor parents can’t. The most 2e kid I ever met was the son of an undocumented nanny. He was severely dyslexic and dysgraphic, but had an astounding vocabulary and memory. He was stuck in self-contained SpEd reading and math classes purely because of how he was coded.

Actually the rich and poor can afford it, it’s the middle folks who cannot. Medicaid pays for evaluations and therapies, just not tutoring. It is one of the few insurances that does pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because no one wants average kids. Everyone around here seems to think there kid is super smart or has SN.

The SN forum is full of people who want neurotypical kids.

OMG this! This is me. What I wouldn't give to have an average neurotypical kid...

I am happy with the kid I have. I think calling kids neurotypical is offensive. My child has challenges but is not atypical. You make SN sound like a disease that should be avoided.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because no one wants average kids. Everyone around here seems to think there kid is super smart or has SN.

The SN forum is full of people who want neurotypical kids.

+1. This thread is so nasty. My kid has an IQ of over 140, and has wicked ADHD. Would I like to have been able to send him to a regular preschool, and regular camps? Yes! Would I like for him to be able to have playdates without getting that look from the other mom? Yes! Would I like to save the $10-20,000 I spend every year on special therapy and treatments, and all the heartache of wondering if I've got the right treatment plan or am medicating him too much or too little or with the wrong stuff? Yes! Yes! Yes! I'd trade 30 IQ points easily for that, but no one gave me that choice.

Also, it's pretty well acknowledged that the rates of ADHD, ASD and probably other LDs are increasing due to all the chemicals in the environment, many of which are known to be neurotoxic. (And most of which we grew up consuming, so it's stored in our fat tissues and released to the fetus while we gestate or maybe even in our breastmilk.) (There's also interesting research being done linking it to gut flora, so all the antiobiotics we consume in our food is maybe a factor as well.) So if this all bothers you, call your Congressional rep and encourage them to pass stricter laws governing pesticides and other chemicals.

I am on special needs forum a lot. I have two SN kids. Where is this well acknowledged? As for antibiotics, I grew up in Eastern Europe and antibiotics were given so much. Non stop. Cough, cold, sore throat, anything. There was no ADHD diagnosis then in my country at all. LD disabilities, imo, are not increasing due to chemicals, they are increasing because we are denying out children the freedom to grow up and develop their emotional and intellect abilities at the regular pace. This is not all our fault, this is how we live, not everyone is a millionaire that can start environmentally friendly farm and raise their kids range free, most of us can't. Pesticides were all over Eastern Europe when I was growing up. Sister, cousins and I are all high IQ, our children all have something wrong with them... The difference? We grew up "free range," our kids grew up being expected to read at 3 and driven to activities in very urban environment. Out little village became a suburb and just exploded. Same with my US DH, all his siblings are smart and grew up "free range" and not a single diagnosis, kids all have some diagnosis. I mean, come on, you surely see the common thread? And it is not pesticides! Out lifestyle is preventing our children from being children and WE(notice we, not just YOU) are coming up with cover up stories. Media, movies have replaced reading, reading teaches patience, screen does not. Our society is to blame, but not for pesticides, for parental and teaching failures. My DD is hyper social ADHD, and I would trade nothing, nothing for her not be be adhd, because honestly her adhd was just called social, has endless energy kid 30 years ago. Now, she never hurt anyone, if your child is aggressive, I would question the ADHD diagnosis.

Free range means parents are lazy and kids parent themselves. It’s a cop out for I want kids for status but cannot be bothered with them. Parenting means teaching your kids and driving. Not this free range hands off parenting and then complain about how kids are being raised as the lack of parenting is why we have so many kids and teens running wild and behaving as they have and do. You may have replaced reading for electronics but that is not what many of us have done. It’s a justification and assumption when it’s often not the case.

My child has a specific disorder. The school was pushing ASD or adhd so they can get their SN numbers up as they lost special education teachers. They want kids medicated as it’s easier to sedate than teach. Schools put kids on computers far more than parents and push for the SN label as it’s about money. Many parents I know comply as they fear retaliation, which happened to us. It is not as simple as you make it.

Perhaps your definition of free range is different than mine? We played in the orchard, rode our bikes, and then we went to school walking. And then to HS taking a city bus, and we did our own homework. And we answered to our parents if we messed up. My mom and dad were very far from lazy parents, but they knew that kids need to be kids, and that we didn't' need to be driven everywhere. I assure you nobody ran wild. Bad grades warranted consequences, but we were allowed to fail and answer without a parent standing over our head every minute of our day. I thought you might understand, but clearly you are some tiger mom. I think you you are a prime example of parents finding excuses for their kids.

It really depends on the age of the child. I am not a tiger mom, I am a very involved parent. We do not have orchards, there is a huge safety issue when there are lots of cars and crazy people and not a small town. Nothing. Wrong with kids being in structured activities. We do not live near public transportation so no my child is not walking a few miles, especially when we have no sidewalks when I can easily drive them till they can drive themselves. Your childhood is not comparable. We have family in Eastern Europe and that is not at all how they raised their kids nor are the kids being raised. Hands off parents is a huge issue and always has been.

Free range is not hands off parenting. Also, did you read my post above? About how my cousins' kids are not raised the same way anymore? No wonder......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether or not the designation is accurate, UMC parents can afford private testing plus tutoring and other supports to make 2e work for them. Poor parents can’t. The most 2e kid I ever met was the son of an undocumented nanny. He was severely dyslexic and dysgraphic, but had an astounding vocabulary and memory. He was stuck in self-contained SpEd reading and math classes purely because of how he was coded.

Actually the rich and poor can afford it, it’s the middle folks who cannot. Medicaid pays for evaluations and therapies, just not tutoring. It is one of the few insurances that does pay.

Hm, maybe maybe not.

Medicaid is state administered so that may affect policies, but I am aware of situations where state Medicaid has refused to pay for assessments, assistive technology, etc, deemed educational in nature. You also have to get the schools to read AND comprehend assessments, and you have to have good access to other resources for information, be it looking up laws and regs and state guidelines and procedures, stuff it's really hard to do if your internet access consists of a pay as you go smartphone where half the time you have to find a wifi connection to use the phone. Assessments are one thing--translating into services is a whole other game.

[Anonymous]

Not gonna copy the enter PP that mentioned this, but I find it hard to believe schools look for SN labels to get money. They are generally more likely to complain about the excess costs presented by SN kids.

[Anonymous]

14:28 - DP here. You are way over the line, and completely judgmental. Have you ever heard of a thing called Karma? You are just begging for it.

Different children = different parenting. Who knows, your children's need for "extra supervision" might be hereditary, from your side. That does not give you the right to assume that PP's kids need the same extend of "extra supervision". Stay in your own lane, and pay attention to your own kids. Geesus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not gonna copy the enter PP that mentioned this, but I find it hard to believe schools look for SN labels to get money. They are generally more likely to complain about the excess costs presented by SN kids.

The parents seek a DX so that their child will be given extra teaching and attention. ie: overcompensation.

[Anonymous]

"LD disabilities, imo, are not increasing due to chemicals, they are increasing because we are denying out children the freedom to grow up and develop their emotional and intellect abilities at the regular pace."

Sometimes well meaning parents can be their child's very worst disability.

[Anonymous]

Ok some of yall really need to understand science sounds like a bunch of anti-vaxx freaks on here

A poster got it right It's the men trying to have kids at 40+ Autism and other spectrum issues shoot through the roof at that point

DCUM is full of people delaying having children

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not gonna copy the enter PP that mentioned this, but I find it hard to believe schools look for SN labels to get money. They are generally more likely to complain about the excess costs presented by SN kids.

The parents seek a DX so that their child will be given extra teaching and attention. ie: overcompensation.

Yes, but if we are thinking about same pp, she claims that she is getting the looks and always has to apologize for her adhd kid. If this is so, how come they had to come up with a diagnosis at school to get more funding? It sounds like she wanted accommodations for her kid and this was how she got it. I am at loss as to what to think of her post. Is her kid ADHD and why is she always apologetic about her kid's actions, and then school made a phony diagnosis and she has to spend Ks on tutors and therapy? None of it makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how often I hear UMC parents of average students describe their kids this way. Yes, I know it's possible to be both gifted and learning disabled, but I have a hard time believing it's really as prevalent as it seems to be in this area. I suspect that many of these parents just can't accept that their kids don't have above average intelligence and they are looking for ways to explain their kids mediocrity in a way that is more palatable to them.

Given the culture in this area, I don't blame how you feel but the GT/LD kids I have met in real life are extremely bright and you can usually see their "gifts." They are usually at the top of their class for one or more subjects but struggle in some other subject. The real average students are average in most or all subjects.

[Anonymous]

It is because smart people want to screw people that are creative and zany.

ADHD people are way more fun than neurotypical people.

The number is only gonna rise as reallyvsmart people continue to procreate with fun people.