Since people are now redshirting spring bday kids

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I am 45 and in the midwest where I lived for awhile as a kid, most kids did not start kindergarten until they were 6. I was a year young than almost every kid in my class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eh, my brother was red shirted and he got a PHD and now is working on a cancer cure at NIH. Not really convinced we should feel sorry for redshirters.

Maybe he would have found a cure by now had he not squandered a year of his adult life by prolonging pre-K by a year.

[Anonymous]

My friend redshirted her march girls

[Anonymous]

Who cares? Do what you think is best for your kid. You sound really immature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Do what you think is best for your kid. You sound really immature.

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I honestly wonder how most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters manage to get through their days. They remind me of anti-vaxxers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Do what you think is best for your kid. You sound really immature.

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I honestly wonder how most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters manage to get through their days. They remind me of anti-vaxxers.

How are people who send their kids to school according to the rules/recommendations similar to those who flout them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Do what you think is best for your kid. You sound really immature.

+1

I honestly wonder how most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters manage to get through their days. They remind me of anti-vaxxers.

How are people who send their kids to school according to the rules/recommendations similar to those who flout them?

Do you want me to seriously respond? In my experience, DCUMs anti-redshirt posters aren't very rational and I don't really feel like writing up something that asks for critical thought from an anti-redshirt poster.

[Anonymous]

My March son is the YOUNGEST in his private K class in a suburban Virginia class. It blew my mind when the teacher said that at the parent teacher conference.

At a middle school teacher, I see the negative side of red shirting. A 15 year old 8th grader isn't hanging out with middle schoolers...they're finding high school kids who have high school opportunities to be involved in. Not all, of course, but many get involved dating high schoolers in 8th grade and it's generally not the most upstanding high schoolers.

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Anonymous wrote:My March son is the YOUNGEST in his private K class in a suburban Virginia class. It blew my mind when the teacher said that at the parent teacher conference.

At a middle school teacher, I see the negative side of red shirting. A 15 year old 8th grader isn't hanging out with middle schoolers...they're finding high school kids who have high school opportunities to be involved in. Not all, of course, but many get involved dating high schoolers in 8th grade and it's generally not the most upstanding high schoolers.

A redshirted kid is 14 in 8th grade. If redshirted in the spring he/she will only be 15 for a month or two. My redshirted girl won’t turn 15 until the beginning of 9th grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My March son is the YOUNGEST in his private K class in a suburban Virginia class. It blew my mind when the teacher said that at the parent teacher conference.

At a middle school teacher, I see the negative side of red shirting. A 15 year old 8th grader isn't hanging out with middle schoolers...they're finding high school kids who have high school opportunities to be involved in. Not all, of course, but many get involved dating high schoolers in 8th grade and it's generally not the most upstanding high schoolers.

Do you understand how private school admissions work?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My March son is the YOUNGEST in his private K class in a suburban Virginia class. It blew my mind when the teacher said that at the parent teacher conference.

At a middle school teacher, I see the negative side of red shirting. A 15 year old 8th grader isn't hanging out with middle schoolers...they're finding high school kids who have high school opportunities to be involved in. Not all, of course, but many get involved dating high schoolers in 8th grade and it's generally not the most upstanding high schoolers.

A redshirted kid is 14 in 8th grade. If redshirted in the spring he/she will only be 15 for a month or two. My redshirted girl won’t turn 15 until the beginning of 9th grade

*born* not *redshirted* ... sorry it’s late and I should probably be sleeping already...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Do what you think is best for your kid. You sound really immature.

+1

I honestly wonder how most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters manage to get through their days. They remind me of anti-vaxxers.

How are people who send their kids to school according to the rules/recommendations similar to those who flout them?

Do you want me to seriously respond? In my experience, DCUMs anti-redshirt posters aren't very rational and I don't really feel like writing up something that asks for critical thought from an anti-redshirt poster.

Yes, you made the statement; I'm simply asking you to defend it. My take is that there seem to be more similarities between parents who redshirt, and anti-vaxxers. Both flout the rules/recommendations for the perceived benefit of their own kids, even if others are disadvantaged as a result (e.g., teachers having to work to differentiate to account for an 18-month spread, kids who started on time may get fewer opportunities to excel in school or sports vs. those that are older).

So again, how specifically do you think parents who don't like rampant redshirting are similar to anti-vaxxers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Do what you think is best for your kid. You sound really immature.

+1

I honestly wonder how most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters manage to get through their days. They remind me of anti-vaxxers.

How are people who send their kids to school according to the rules/recommendations similar to those who flout them?

Do you want me to seriously respond? In my experience, DCUMs anti-redshirt posters aren't very rational and I don't really feel like writing up something that asks for critical thought from an anti-redshirt poster.

Yes, you made the statement; I'm simply asking you to defend it. My take is that there seem to be more similarities between parents who redshirt, and anti-vaxxers. Both flout the rules/recommendations for the perceived benefit of their own kids, even if others are disadvantaged as a result (e.g., teachers having to work to differentiate to account for an 18-month spread, kids who started on time may get fewer opportunities to excel in school or sports vs. those that are older).

So again, how specifically do you think parents who don't like rampant redshirting are similar to anti-vaxxers?

Okay, I'll answer you. Here is my serious response as to why I think DCUM's anti-redshirt posters are like anti-vaxxers, based off of years of reading posts from them:

1. DCUM anti-redshirt posters believe in something fervently with little solid scientific evidence to support it. They are convinced of their rightness, but there isn't solid research that's been replicated and meets scientific standards to support that feeling of rightness. This is similar to how anti-vaxxers operate. Both groups have passionate feelings over something without an accompanying body of scientific evidence to support the depth of their feelings.

2. DCUM anti-redshirt posters will twist themselves in knots congratulating themselves on how they "followed the rules." Never mind that these are rules that they've largely decided in their own heads. (Schools set admissions policies, not parents; there are no rules being broken by parents who redshirt when allowed into schools that permit it, by definition.) This is particularly true of the people who rant about private schools and redshirting, which is astonishing to me in the lack of understanding that shows. I think there are posters on DCUM who do not understand how private school admissions work at a basic level. This is reminiscent of anti-vaxxers, who construct an imaginary worldview in their heads and are puzzled when the real world doesn't match the worldview in their heads.

3. Like anti-vaxxers, DCUM's anti-redshirt posters tend not to be very self-reflective. They'll engage with the educational system to advantage themselves and their children but if they think that somebody else has a perceived advantage that they didn't use, they throw a fit. DCUM's anti-redshirt posters are often wealthy parents who are engaging tutors and using private schools. This disadvantages kids who don't have access to those resources (and that is well-documented), but you don't see those posters too worried about that. I'm convinced the majority of DCUM's anti-redshirt posters spend more time ranting about redshirting on DCUM than they've ever spent thinking about educational inequities and how they contribute to those, let alone doing anything about it. There are likely some exceptions to that general rule, but given how many of DCUM's anti-redshirt posters are complaining about private school admissions policies, probably not many. This reminds me of anti-vaxxers in the lack of self-reflection.

4. They are logically inconsistent. They will simultaneously argue that redshirting offers no advantage while at the same time arguing that it's a huge advantage. If it's not an advantage, then it doesn't matter that other people redshirt. If it is an advantage, then the logical answer is to move towards flexible admissions policies, not rigid ones, so that the advantage is more widely available.

5. They talk about how they are nasty to other people's children and how they encourage their children to be nasty. I have seen posts in which they brag about how their kids gossip and laugh about other people's older children, or how they gossip with other parents about those older kids. This is similar to anti-vaxxer behavior: if you lurk in their forums (which I have, God help me), you'll see similarly worded posts saying horrid things about vaccinated children, and how they encourage their kids to mock vaccinated kids.

6. They can't do basic math and don't grasp statistics. I can't tell you how many times I've seen posts from anti-redshirt posters that have demonstrated that they can't add, or show a lack of understanding of statistical analysis.

I could go on, but this is long enough. You asked for an answer, and so I'm giving it to you. If you want to know what I think should happen as far as policies go, I think we should have flexible age ranges, and trust parental judgment and preschool/school recommendations with respect to the maturity and kindergarten readiness of children. I think there should be a transitional kindergarten available for "young fives" but at the same time, "young fives" who are ready to go to K should go. Kids develop at different rates, and I think the educational system should adapt to that. I think rigid cutoffs haven't been shown to show much educational benefit and I don't understand why some DCUM posters cling to them. That's a different post, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Do what you think is best for your kid. You sound really immature.

+1

I honestly wonder how most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters manage to get through their days. They remind me of anti-vaxxers.

How are people who send their kids to school according to the rules/recommendations similar to those who flout them?

Do you want me to seriously respond? In my experience, DCUMs anti-redshirt posters aren't very rational and I don't really feel like writing up something that asks for critical thought from an anti-redshirt poster.

Yes, you made the statement; I'm simply asking you to defend it. My take is that there seem to be more similarities between parents who redshirt, and anti-vaxxers. Both flout the rules/recommendations for the perceived benefit of their own kids, even if others are disadvantaged as a result (e.g., teachers having to work to differentiate to account for an 18-month spread, kids who started on time may get fewer opportunities to excel in school or sports vs. those that are older).

So again, how specifically do you think parents who don't like rampant redshirting are similar to anti-vaxxers?

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Agreed. She did respond with a lot of faux definitive nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Do what you think is best for your kid. You sound really immature.

+1

I honestly wonder how most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters manage to get through their days. They remind me of anti-vaxxers.

How are people who send their kids to school according to the rules/recommendations similar to those who flout them?

Do you want me to seriously respond? In my experience, DCUMs anti-redshirt posters aren't very rational and I don't really feel like writing up something that asks for critical thought from an anti-redshirt poster.

Yes, you made the statement; I'm simply asking you to defend it. My take is that there seem to be more similarities between parents who redshirt, and anti-vaxxers. Both flout the rules/recommendations for the perceived benefit of their own kids, even if others are disadvantaged as a result (e.g., teachers having to work to differentiate to account for an 18-month spread, kids who started on time may get fewer opportunities to excel in school or sports vs. those that are older).

So again, how specifically do you think parents who don't like rampant redshirting are similar to anti-vaxxers?

Okay, I'll answer you. Here is my serious response as to why I think DCUM's anti-redshirt posters are like anti-vaxxers, based off of years of reading posts from them:

1. DCUM anti-redshirt posters believe in something fervently with little solid scientific evidence to support it. They are convinced of their rightness, but there isn't solid research that's been replicated and meets scientific standards to support that feeling of rightness. This is similar to how anti-vaxxers operate. Both groups have passionate feelings over something without an accompanying body of scientific evidence to support the depth of their feelings.

2. DCUM anti-redshirt posters will twist themselves in knots congratulating themselves on how they "followed the rules." Never mind that these are rules that they've largely decided in their own heads. (Schools set admissions policies, not parents; there are no rules being broken by parents who redshirt when allowed into schools that permit it, by definition.) This is particularly true of the people who rant about private schools and redshirting, which is astonishing to me in the lack of understanding that shows. I think there are posters on DCUM who do not understand how private school admissions work at a basic level. This is reminiscent of anti-vaxxers, who construct an imaginary worldview in their heads and are puzzled when the real world doesn't match the worldview in their heads.

3. Like anti-vaxxers, DCUM's anti-redshirt posters tend not to be very self-reflective. They'll engage with the educational system to advantage themselves and their children but if they think that somebody else has a perceived advantage that they didn't use, they throw a fit. DCUM's anti-redshirt posters are often wealthy parents who are engaging tutors and using private schools. This disadvantages kids who don't have access to those resources (and that is well-documented), but you don't see those posters too worried about that. I'm convinced the majority of DCUM's anti-redshirt posters spend more time ranting about redshirting on DCUM than they've ever spent thinking about educational inequities and how they contribute to those, let alone doing anything about it. There are likely some exceptions to that general rule, but given how many of DCUM's anti-redshirt posters are complaining about private school admissions policies, probably not many. This reminds me of anti-vaxxers in the lack of self-reflection.

4. They are logically inconsistent. They will simultaneously argue that redshirting offers no advantage while at the same time arguing that it's a huge advantage. If it's not an advantage, then it doesn't matter that other people redshirt. If it is an advantage, then the logical answer is to move towards flexible admissions policies, not rigid ones, so that the advantage is more widely available.

5. They talk about how they are nasty to other people's children and how they encourage their children to be nasty. I have seen posts in which they brag about how their kids gossip and laugh about other people's older children, or how they gossip with other parents about those older kids. This is similar to anti-vaxxer behavior: if you lurk in their forums (which I have, God help me), you'll see similarly worded posts saying horrid things about vaccinated children, and how they encourage their kids to mock vaccinated kids.

6. They can't do basic math and don't grasp statistics. I can't tell you how many times I've seen posts from anti-redshirt posters that have demonstrated that they can't add, or show a lack of understanding of statistical analysis.

I could go on, but this is long enough. You asked for an answer, and so I'm giving it to you. If you want to know what I think should happen as far as policies go, I think we should have flexible age ranges, and trust parental judgment and preschool/school recommendations with respect to the maturity and kindergarten readiness of children. I think there should be a transitional kindergarten available for "young fives" but at the same time, "young fives" who are ready to go to K should go. Kids develop at different rates, and I think the educational system should adapt to that. I think rigid cutoffs haven't been shown to show much educational benefit and I don't understand why some DCUM posters cling to them. That's a different post, though.

Oh don’t get on your high horse about science. It’s hard proven that pro redshirt is good.