MD In-state options beyond College Park

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Anonymous wrote:Our DD did not get into UMD this year. She did not like the feel of UMBC when she visitied. She is okay with Towson, it was better than I expected with lots of new construction. Salisbury was a definite no and she would not even visit Frostburg.

She has received merit aid from several OOS schools that brings the cost down close to in-state, including places like Miami-Ohio and Alabama.

Not too many OOS flagships are going to come close to or under UMD’s instate cost of $23,000. As an example, my DS, who was accepted at UMD this year, got $8000 in merit aid at Pitt but the total OOS cost is still $40,000. He also got $14000 in merit aid at UDel but the total OOS cost is $37,000.

Miami-Ohio is $49,000 OOS. To get close to UMD’s cost, a student would have to receive $26,000 in merit aid. Alabama is $43,000 OOS so would require $20,000 in merit aid. Did your DC really receive that much aid?

UMD costs about $27,000/year all-in, not $23,000.

My DC got $20K from Pitt, taking the cost to about $24,000. Less than UMD-CP for us.

At Miami/Ohio, a student with ACT: 33+/SAT: 1450+ and GPA 3.50+ will get half to full tuition, which would equate to between $15-$30K merit for OOS. That could take the cost to about what UMD-CP would cost, depending on the size of the award.

That maybe but if your DC has one bad semester (which most kids do), you can kiss that money goodbye.

Can you just state facts without the doom and gloom?

My kid's merit aid requires she remain in good standing. It doesn't require heroic efforts every semester. Certainly merit aid can be lost, so choose carefully and read the rules. It really is possible that some other schools are better fits for her than Towson.

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Anonymous wrote:Our DD did not get into UMD this year. She did not like the feel of UMBC when she visitied. She is okay with Towson, it was better than I expected with lots of new construction. Salisbury was a definite no and she would not even visit Frostburg.

She has received merit aid from several OOS schools that brings the cost down close to in-state, including places like Miami-Ohio and Alabama.

Not too many OOS flagships are going to come close to or under UMD’s instate cost of $23,000. As an example, my DS, who was accepted at UMD this year, got $8000 in merit aid at Pitt but the total OOS cost is still $40,000. He also got $14000 in merit aid at UDel but the total OOS cost is $37,000.

Miami-Ohio is $49,000 OOS. To get close to UMD’s cost, a student would have to receive $26,000 in merit aid. Alabama is $43,000 OOS so would require $20,000 in merit aid. Did your DC really receive that much aid?

UMD costs about $27,000/year all-in, not $23,000.

My DC got $20K from Pitt, taking the cost to about $24,000. Less than UMD-CP for us.

At Miami/Ohio, a student with ACT: 33+/SAT: 1450+ and GPA 3.50+ will get half to full tuition, which would equate to between $15-$30K merit for OOS. That could take the cost to about what UMD-CP would cost, depending on the size of the award.

That maybe but if your DC has one bad semester (which most kids do), you can kiss that money goodbye.

A kid who qualifies for the money to begin with is unlikely to have a bad semester that takes the GPA below e.g. 3.0, which is often what is required to maintain the merit scholarship.

Many schools give the student some leeway in any case.

How does it work? 2.95 is okay when 3.0 is required? How about 2.94? Where does it stop and how do you apply fairly??

Each school has its own standards, so you need to check them and determine what is realistic.

My DC has a large ($32K/year) merit scholarship from a LAC. If DC's GPA drops below 3.0, DC has a semester to get it back up. If that doesn't happen, the scholarship is reduced by $5K.

Every school has its own approach.

It’s on school’s website? I have never seen anything like that written.

There are sections of each school's website for continuing students. That is where to look.

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Anonymous wrote:Our DD did not get into UMD this year. She did not like the feel of UMBC when she visitied. She is okay with Towson, it was better than I expected with lots of new construction. Salisbury was a definite no and she would not even visit Frostburg.

She has received merit aid from several OOS schools that brings the cost down close to in-state, including places like Miami-Ohio and Alabama.

Not too many OOS flagships are going to come close to or under UMD’s instate cost of $23,000. As an example, my DS, who was accepted at UMD this year, got $8000 in merit aid at Pitt but the total OOS cost is still $40,000. He also got $14000 in merit aid at UDel but the total OOS cost is $37,000.

Miami-Ohio is $49,000 OOS. To get close to UMD’s cost, a student would have to receive $26,000 in merit aid. Alabama is $43,000 OOS so would require $20,000 in merit aid. Did your DC really receive that much aid?

I said close to in-state, not equal.

(This should have been in response to the above post)

If paying $20K, $15K, or even $5K more for an OOS public is “close” enough for you, then you are very fortunate that money is not an issue for you. I don’t say that with malice but genuinely hope that you and your DC appreciate how lucky you are. But for those families where even $5000 more a year makes all the difference, it is unhelpful of you to say that there are OOS options for Maryland residents that are close to or less than UMD. And for a student that was not accepted at UMD, the merit $ amounts are going to be even lower so I really question how “close” to in state you are talking about.

UMD is $23,000 if you don’t include indirect costs like books. To make an apples to apples comparison, here are the similar costs for the schools being discussed if you only include housing, typical meal plan, and tuition + mandatory fees (no books, no supplies, no other incidental costs which can really vary)

UMD (in state)
Tuition and Fees - $10,595
Housing and Meal Plan - $12,429
Total – $23,024
https://admissions.umd.edu/costs

Miami-Ohio (OOS)
Tuition and Fees - $34,895
Housing and Meal Plan - $13,860
Total – $48,754
https://miamioh.edu/onestop/your-money/tuition-fee...ll-2016/2018-cohort/index.html

U. of Alabama (OOS)
Tuition and Fees - $30,030
Housing and Meal Plan - $13,402
Total – $43,432
https://financialaid.ua.edu/cost/

Pitt (OOS)
Tuition and Fees - $31,102 (this increases for many majors) + $1950 fees (reduces a little bit after freshman year)= $33,052
Housing and Meal Plan - $11,582
Total – $44,634
https://oafa.pitt.edu/financialaid/costs/

U. Delaware (OOS)
Tuition and Fees - $34,310
Housing and Meal Plan - $12,862
Total – $ 47,172
https://www.udel.edu/students/student-financial-services/coa/

You are very obnoxious to keep talking about UMD when the OP started this thread wondering what to do about her kid who didn't get in.

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Anonymous wrote:Our DD did not get into UMD this year. She did not like the feel of UMBC when she visitied. She is okay with Towson, it was better than I expected with lots of new construction. Salisbury was a definite no and she would not even visit Frostburg.

She has received merit aid from several OOS schools that brings the cost down close to in-state, including places like Miami-Ohio and Alabama.

Not too many OOS flagships are going to come close to or under UMD’s instate cost of $23,000. As an example, my DS, who was accepted at UMD this year, got $8000 in merit aid at Pitt but the total OOS cost is still $40,000. He also got $14000 in merit aid at UDel but the total OOS cost is $37,000.

Miami-Ohio is $49,000 OOS. To get close to UMD’s cost, a student would have to receive $26,000 in merit aid. Alabama is $43,000 OOS so would require $20,000 in merit aid. Did your DC really receive that much aid?

UMD costs about $27,000/year all-in, not $23,000.

My DC got $20K from Pitt, taking the cost to about $24,000. Less than UMD-CP for us.

At Miami/Ohio, a student with ACT: 33+/SAT: 1450+ and GPA 3.50+ will get half to full tuition, which would equate to between $15-$30K merit for OOS. That could take the cost to about what UMD-CP would cost, depending on the size of the award.

That maybe but if your DC has one bad semester (which most kids do), you can kiss that money goodbye.

A kid who qualifies for the money to begin with is unlikely to have a bad semester that takes the GPA below e.g. 3.0, which is often what is required to maintain the merit scholarship.

Many schools give the student some leeway in any case.

How does it work? 2.95 is okay when 3.0 is required? How about 2.94? Where does it stop and how do you apply fairly??

Each school has its own standards, so you need to check them and determine what is realistic.

My DC has a large ($32K/year) merit scholarship from a LAC. If DC's GPA drops below 3.0, DC has a semester to get it back up. If that doesn't happen, the scholarship is reduced by $5K.

Every school has its own approach.

It’s on school’s website? I have never seen anything like that written.

Not the previous poster but my child had an offer from ASU and it was clearly written out for you.

https://students.asu.edu/scholarships/renewal

Go to the bottom of the page for academic support, maintenance plan, and appeals.

Every school has this, even if it isn’t listed online. It will be with your merit package or you ask FA to email you a copy.

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Why is everyone talking about out of state schools when OP wanted to know about in-state options in case her DS doesn't get into UMD-CP next year?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone talking about out of state schools when OP wanted to know about in-state options in case her DS doesn't get into UMD-CP next year?

Just some dumb parents with dumb kids bragging. Not good enough for cp kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone talking about out of state schools when OP wanted to know about in-state options in case her DS doesn't get into UMD-CP next year?

Because the other instate options are terrible.

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UMBC is good, especially for science.
St. Mary's, many students like a more rural location, like I did.

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UMBC is making a name for itself. A lot of new buildings, fantastic involved professors, better athletics, and the dorms are much nicer than UMCP.

The only problem is the cost is the same, it has less of a name, and there is still a high commuter feel to the school, especially after freshman year.

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Anonymous wrote:UMBC is making a name for itself. A lot of new buildings, fantastic involved professors, better athletics, and the dorms are much nicer than UMCP.

The only problem is the cost is the same, it has less of a name, and there is still a high commuter feel to the school, especially after freshman year.

UMBC offers great merit aid to many students. A few years ago, my DD with a 28 ACT got about $4000 award. This past year, my DS with a 34 ACT got a $9000 award bringing the total COA to under $15,000 which sounds pretty good to me!

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Anonymous wrote:Our DD did not get into UMD this year. She did not like the feel of UMBC when she visitied. She is okay with Towson, it was better than I expected with lots of new construction. Salisbury was a definite no and she would not even visit Frostburg.

She has received merit aid from several OOS schools that brings the cost down close to in-state, including places like Miami-Ohio and Alabama.

Not too many OOS flagships are going to come close to or under UMD’s instate cost of $23,000. As an example, my DS, who was accepted at UMD this year, got $8000 in merit aid at Pitt but the total OOS cost is still $40,000. He also got $14000 in merit aid at UDel but the total OOS cost is $37,000.

Miami-Ohio is $49,000 OOS. To get close to UMD’s cost, a student would have to receive $26,000 in merit aid. Alabama is $43,000 OOS so would require $20,000 in merit aid. Did your DC really receive that much aid?

UMD costs about $27,000/year all-in, not $23,000.

My DC got $20K from Pitt, taking the cost to about $24,000. Less than UMD-CP for us.

At Miami/Ohio, a student with ACT: 33+/SAT: 1450+ and GPA 3.50+ will get half to full tuition, which would equate to between $15-$30K merit for OOS. That could take the cost to about what UMD-CP would cost, depending on the size of the award.

How is that relevant to this thread that is about students who do not have the numbers for UMD?

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Anonymous wrote:Our DD did not get into UMD this year. She did not like the feel of UMBC when she visitied. She is okay with Towson, it was better than I expected with lots of new construction. Salisbury was a definite no and she would not even visit Frostburg.

She has received merit aid from several OOS schools that brings the cost down close to in-state, including places like Miami-Ohio and Alabama.

Not too many OOS flagships are going to come close to or under UMD’s instate cost of $23,000. As an example, my DS, who was accepted at UMD this year, got $8000 in merit aid at Pitt but the total OOS cost is still $40,000. He also got $14000 in merit aid at UDel but the total OOS cost is $37,000.

Miami-Ohio is $49,000 OOS. To get close to UMD’s cost, a student would have to receive $26,000 in merit aid. Alabama is $43,000 OOS so would require $20,000 in merit aid. Did your DC really receive that much aid?

UMD costs about $27,000/year all-in, not $23,000.

My DC got $20K from Pitt, taking the cost to about $24,000. Less than UMD-CP for us.

At Miami/Ohio, a student with ACT: 33+/SAT: 1450+ and GPA 3.50+ will get half to full tuition, which would equate to between $15-$30K merit for OOS. That could take the cost to about what UMD-CP would cost, depending on the size of the award.

How is that relevant to this thread that is about students who do not have the numbers for UMD?

Because this year, seniors with those stats above are NOT getting into UMCP. I haven't heard one person with a weighted GPA below 4.0 getting in. There are people in other threads around here and on college confidential sayings kids with 32-24 ACT's and 3.8's are not getting in. Straight up rejected. UMCP moved to the new online application and their numbers have soared and their yield is getting higher. Last year they didn't have enough dorms for all the freshman that committed and it was even worse when 2 whole dorm buildings were closed down for a few weeks for mold removal in late September. I am positive UMCP accepted less kids this year.

So kids are now applying to Ohio State, Pitt, Penn, UMass, Rutgers, Delaware, WVU, etc... and getting merit aid for the same scores they are getting rejected to their in-state. Unless the state requires their state colleges to accept a certain % like NC, Florida, Cali, Texas, it is usually must easier to get into a school OOS than in-state. Maryland is allowed and still chooses to accept about 40-45% OOS and international. They make more money. But there are so many well qualified students in the state of MD, which leads to a lot of rejections.

The PP is showing how you shouldn't just look at other in-state options, but look at other OOS options as well. It is a good idea.

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UMD is only 22% OOS students. The 2017-2018 incoming class was 26% OOS.

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My nephew went to UMBC worked for PWhC thento Dartmouth then to Amazon.

Go anywhere for a year then transfer to UMCP.

Apply to UMCP for Spring.

(Spring stats are much lower since they are not reported to USNWR)

Look at the common market. You pay in state for out of state school.

I have a ton of successful friends that went to UMBC and Towson.

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Anonymous wrote:UMD is only 22% OOS students. The 2017-2018 incoming class was 26% OOS.

What about the 10-15% international?