Just did taxes...annoyed. Other people in the same boat?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm personally suprised by the people who say they are owing even with 0 withholdings. Did you all change to 0 half-way through the year? Are you sure you were actually at 0?

it's the withholding tables that were the problem that payroll based deduction off of. clearly you do not understand how taxes work. Additionally if you have 2 earners and they is a vast discrepancy in earnings, then the tax tables for withholding will be different, but at filing will cause you to owe.

The ignorance on this board sometimes makes me want to smash my head on my computer and then weep for our nation.

Well that's kind of my point - why would the withholding tables be so far off? Previously they were biased in favor of overwithholding. My understanding that the current tweak was aimed to get them closer to 0 liability -- not people owing $1000s, like they are stating here. I'm wondering how the IRS got it so wrong, since I doubt their intent was that people would owe $1000s with 0 exemptions.

No. This was intentional. It was to make people think the tax “cuts” were great and get people to vote for the GOP in the midterms.

I work for the IRS and I can assure there is not grand right wing conspiracy going on. It is too exhausting to explain what is obvious to the masses of conspiracy theorists on here, but all I can say is that there is no conspiracy going on by the executive branch. tax reform was rushed, and as a result the tables were sloppy. But carry on as if this tax season were a episode of X-files.

What is so obvious about it that all of the highly-educated taxpayers on this forum aren’t getting? Please, do enlighten us. Either the IRS is terrible at its primary function, or this was a purposeful move.

[Anonymous]

DP - or sometimes, government is inept.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. It happened to us and you can read our example and those from others in other threads. I’m our case we went from a small refund or just about being even to owing $5700. We didn’t realize the extent of the changes and we are far from stupid.

What is your income bracket?

Most of dc are in the upper 5 to 10% income range that all of dcum wants to pay more taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A vote for republicans is a vote for taking money out of the pockets of the middle class and giving it to millionaires/billionaires

Dcum is not middle class.

Dcum is upper class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's going to happen to a lot of middle class people this year. If you are extremely rich or completely impoverished, the tax changes may have helped you. Otherwise, no.

Dcum is not middle class.

Middle class makes about half of what dcum people make.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm personally suprised by the people who say they are owing even with 0 withholdings. Did you all change to 0 half-way through the year? Are you sure you were actually at 0?

it's the withholding tables that were the problem that payroll based deduction off of. clearly you do not understand how taxes work. Additionally if you have 2 earners and they is a vast discrepancy in earnings, then the tax tables for withholding will be different, but at filing will cause you to owe.

The ignorance on this board sometimes makes me want to smash my head on my computer and then weep for our nation.

Well that's kind of my point - why would the withholding tables be so far off? Previously they were biased in favor of overwithholding. My understanding that the current tweak was aimed to get them closer to 0 liability -- not people owing $1000s, like they are stating here. I'm wondering how the IRS got it so wrong, since I doubt their intent was that people would owe $1000s with 0 exemptions.

No. This was intentional. It was to make people think the tax “cuts” were great and get people to vote for the GOP in the midterms.

I work for the IRS and I can assure there is not grand right wing conspiracy going on. It is too exhausting to explain what is obvious to the masses of conspiracy theorists on here, but all I can say is that there is no conspiracy going on by the executive branch. tax reform was rushed, and as a result the tables were sloppy. But carry on as if this tax season were a episode of X-files.

What is so obvious about it that all of the highly-educated taxpayers on this forum aren’t getting? Please, do enlighten us. Either the IRS is terrible at its primary function, or this was a purposeful move.

Question: "Are you corrupt or stupid?"

[IRS Employee raises hand]: "Stupid! Definitely stupid."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm personally suprised by the people who say they are owing even with 0 withholdings. Did you all change to 0 half-way through the year? Are you sure you were actually at 0?

it's the withholding tables that were the problem that payroll based deduction off of. clearly you do not understand how taxes work. Additionally if you have 2 earners and they is a vast discrepancy in earnings, then the tax tables for withholding will be different, but at filing will cause you to owe.

The ignorance on this board sometimes makes me want to smash my head on my computer and then weep for our nation.

Well that's kind of my point - why would the withholding tables be so far off? Previously they were biased in favor of overwithholding. My understanding that the current tweak was aimed to get them closer to 0 liability -- not people owing $1000s, like they are stating here. I'm wondering how the IRS got it so wrong, since I doubt their intent was that people would owe $1000s with 0 exemptions.

No. This was intentional. It was to make people think the tax “cuts” were great and get people to vote for the GOP in the midterms.

I work for the IRS and I can assure there is not grand right wing conspiracy going on. It is too exhausting to explain what is obvious to the masses of conspiracy theorists on here, but all I can say is that there is no conspiracy going on by the executive branch. tax reform was rushed, and as a result the tables were sloppy. But carry on as if this tax season were a episode of X-files.

What is so obvious about it that all of the highly-educated taxpayers on this forum aren’t getting? Please, do enlighten us. Either the IRS is terrible at its primary function, or this was a purposeful move.

Question: "Are you corrupt or stupid?"

[IRS Employee raises hand]: "Stupid! Definitely stupid."

But isnt it much more fun to imagine a Grand Right Wing Conspiracy? Fits the narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm personally suprised by the people who say they are owing even with 0 withholdings. Did you all change to 0 half-way through the year? Are you sure you were actually at 0?

it's the withholding tables that were the problem that payroll based deduction off of. clearly you do not understand how taxes work. Additionally if you have 2 earners and they is a vast discrepancy in earnings, then the tax tables for withholding will be different, but at filing will cause you to owe.

The ignorance on this board sometimes makes me want to smash my head on my computer and then weep for our nation.

Well that's kind of my point - why would the withholding tables be so far off? Previously they were biased in favor of overwithholding. My understanding that the current tweak was aimed to get them closer to 0 liability -- not people owing $1000s, like they are stating here. I'm wondering how the IRS got it so wrong, since I doubt their intent was that people would owe $1000s with 0 exemptions.

No. This was intentional. It was to make people think the tax “cuts” were great and get people to vote for the GOP in the midterms.

I work for the IRS and I can assure there is not grand right wing conspiracy going on. It is too exhausting to explain what is obvious to the masses of conspiracy theorists on here, but all I can say is that there is no conspiracy going on by the executive branch. tax reform was rushed, and as a result the tables were sloppy. But carry on as if this tax season were a episode of X-files.

What is so obvious about it that all of the highly-educated taxpayers on this forum aren’t getting? Please, do enlighten us. Either the IRS is terrible at its primary function, or this was a purposeful move.

Question: "Are you corrupt or stupid?"

[IRS Employee raises hand]: "Stupid! Definitely stupid."

But isnt it much more fun to imagine a Grand Right Wing Conspiracy? Fits the narrative.

If they are this stupid, they should all be fired. Immediately. This is elementary level stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm personally suprised by the people who say they are owing even with 0 withholdings. Did you all change to 0 half-way through the year? Are you sure you were actually at 0?

I started the thread "2018 Taxes" and I always claim "0". So does my husband (I made him). went from getting 3,000 back in previous years to owing close to 3,000 this year.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm personally suprised by the people who say they are owing even with 0 withholdings. Did you all change to 0 half-way through the year? Are you sure you were actually at 0?

it's the withholding tables that were the problem that payroll based deduction off of. clearly you do not understand how taxes work. Additionally if you have 2 earners and they is a vast discrepancy in earnings, then the tax tables for withholding will be different, but at filing will cause you to owe.

The ignorance on this board sometimes makes me want to smash my head on my computer and then weep for our nation.

Well that's kind of my point - why would the withholding tables be so far off? Previously they were biased in favor of overwithholding. My understanding that the current tweak was aimed to get them closer to 0 liability -- not people owing $1000s, like they are stating here. I'm wondering how the IRS got it so wrong, since I doubt their intent was that people would owe $1000s with 0 exemptions.

No. This was intentional. It was to make people think the tax “cuts” were great and get people to vote for the GOP in the midterms.

I work for the IRS and I can assure there is not grand right wing conspiracy going on. It is too exhausting to explain what is obvious to the masses of conspiracy theorists on here, but all I can say is that there is no conspiracy going on by the executive branch. tax reform was rushed, and as a result the tables were sloppy. But carry on as if this tax season were a episode of X-files.

What is so obvious about it that all of the highly-educated taxpayers on this forum aren’t getting? Please, do enlighten us. Either the IRS is terrible at its primary function, or this was a purposeful move.

Question: "Are you corrupt or stupid?"

[IRS Employee raises hand]: "Stupid! Definitely stupid."

I mean, I work for the government too, and that's usually the explanation....

[Anonymous]

I vote for IRS incompetence. There were news stories at the time that stated that the IRS withholding based on the new tax law was way off. Based on those stories we increased our withholdings and we don’t Owen

[Anonymous]

I typically get about $500-600 back and owe very little or zero in state taxes. This year I was expecting something to change. But it didn't. $535 refund and zero in state taxes. Hmmmm.

[Anonymous]

Just calculated my tax return. It has decreased this year but not dramatically. I consider it lucky we don't owe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just calculated my tax return. It has decreased this year but not dramatically. I consider it lucky we don't owe.

I mean my refund has decreased.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. It happened to us and you can read our example and those from others in other threads. I’m our case we went from a small refund or just about being even to owing $5700. We didn’t realize the extent of the changes and we are far from stupid.

What is your income bracket?

Most of dc are in the upper 5 to 10% income range that all of dcum wants to pay more taxes.

HHI $180k