Smaller NOVA clubs

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:Does anyone think that the number of "home game" fields could be an indicator of how big/small a club may be? (Sure, the total number of teams would be a "more obvious" indicator.)

Since FPYC only fields travel teams in NCSL, I can see that we list seven fields (<== link) used for competition. Two of those fields are at Oak Marr RECenter and Oakton High School, so I really don't consider them to be exclusive to the club. That page also indicates that we're fielding a total of 16 soccer teams. I know that the remaining five fields are also used by Fairfax High School and well as other FPYC sports (football, lacrosse).

Somehow, FPYC has made the field scheduling for outdoor practices work, but I don't envy whomever has that task. I couldn't imagine what would happen if every NCSL team within FPYC also tried to schedule indoor venues for winter/futsal practices. (I also won't mention that I haven't 'cracked the code' for some FPYC teams gaining access to fields/courts at GMU on any consistent basis. Surely, there are spaces available in January when the bulk of the student body isn't around!)

For comparison, our closest neighbor to the north, Vienna Youth Soccer, (<==link) lists 18 fields for home matches for 45 NCSL teams. I believe VYS has teams in VPL as well. Another FPYC neighbor (to the east), Braddock Road Youth Club (<== link) lists 15 game venues (yes, some are duplicates) for 26 NCSL teams, before taking ENCL, CCL, and other leagues into account.

Oak Marr is shared by FPYC and Vienna.

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:Does anyone think that the number of "home game" fields could be an indicator of how big/small a club may be? (Sure, the total number of teams would be a "more obvious" indicator.)

Since FPYC only fields travel teams in NCSL, I can see that we list seven fields (<== link) used for competition. Two of those fields are at Oak Marr RECenter and Oakton High School, so I really don't consider them to be exclusive to the club. That page also indicates that we're fielding a total of 16 soccer teams. I know that the remaining five fields are also used by Fairfax High School and well as other FPYC sports (football, lacrosse).

Somehow, FPYC has made the field scheduling for outdoor practices work, but I don't envy whomever has that task. I couldn't imagine what would happen if every NCSL team within FPYC also tried to schedule indoor venues for winter/futsal practices. (I also won't mention that I haven't 'cracked the code' for some FPYC teams gaining access to fields/courts at GMU on any consistent basis. Surely, there are spaces available in January when the bulk of the student body isn't around!)

For comparison, our closest neighbor to the north, Vienna Youth Soccer, (<==link) lists 18 fields for home matches for 45 NCSL teams. I believe VYS has teams in VPL as well. Another FPYC neighbor (to the east), Braddock Road Youth Club (<== link) lists 15 game venues (yes, some are duplicates) for 26 NCSL teams, before taking ENCL, CCL, and other leagues into account.

Another metric that could be used is how much the club brings in annually. Since most are non-profits, it's publicly reported. The only issue you would have is breaking down the clubs that soccer only such as CYA which has a variety of sports.

[Anonymous]

i have two kids at different clubs. One a small club and one on a top team at a big club. I will say in part to look at your child and assess where your child is in their soccer development and their other interests as well as personality. Try outs at smaller clubs are less intense and often you basically get a spot on the team next year if yo uare doing what you are supposed to be doing. At larger clubs, they are always searching for the next shiny thing so try outs are stressful and intense. They are often short. Certainly not for all kids. My one child would have quit soccer years ago if he were not at a smaller club. I have also found our smaller club to be more lenient about missing practice. the world would come to an end if my older son at a big club missed anything.

[Anonymous]

I have three kids at two different clubs, one big and one small. My kids are strong, consistent players but not superstars.

I much prefer the smaller club, not in every way, but almost every way. The attention to the kids, the atmosphere, the parents, the price, and also, most definitely, the training is far superior at the small club. I think it is probably because at the small club the coaches have been around for years and are committed to and consistent about the club's training philosophy. At the bigger club, coaches come and go.

The one negative about the small club is that the level of play varies enormously among age groups and there is a huge gap between A and B teams. What I mean is: in local big club, you pretty much know what the level is going to be on an A team from year to year. Of course it can be variable but not as much as in the smaller club. At the small club, some of the age groups have an excellent first team and some have a very weak first team. I have had some luck, I guess, in this respect and my two small club kids are on two competitive teams. They are very happy on their teams and getting excellent training, very successful in the best tournaments, and having a great experience of moving along with roughly the same group of kids.

It is my kid with the overall weaker age group who has ended up being better off at the big club. Big club has an easier job placing kids on the appropriate-level team and teams at the appropriate level of competition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


I have three kids at two different clubs, one big and one small. My kids are strong, consistent players but not superstars.

I much prefer the smaller club, not in every way, but almost every way. The attention to the kids, the atmosphere, the parents, the price, and also, most definitely, the training is far superior at the small club. I think it is probably because at the small club the coaches have been around for years and are committed to and consistent about the club's training philosophy. At the bigger club, coaches come and go.

The one negative about the small club is that the level of play varies enormously among age groups and there is a huge gap between A and B teams. What I mean is: in local big club, you pretty much know what the level is going to be on an A team from year to year. Of course it can be variable but not as much as in the smaller club. At the small club, some of the age groups have an excellent first team and some have a very weak first team. I have had some luck, I guess, in this respect and my two small club kids are on two competitive teams. They are very happy on their teams and getting excellent training, very successful in the best tournaments, and having a great experience of moving along with roughly the same group of kids.

It is my kid with the overall weaker age group who has ended up being better off at the big club. Big club has an easier job placing kids on the appropriate-level team and teams at the appropriate level of competition.

This is an excellent post and my experience with kids at both big and small clubs has been similar. If you can find the right coach and group of kids, and the club has good field access, the small club experience can be special.

One thing I would caution you about as your kids age up is the other disadvantage to the small club is team stability. At a big club with a deep talent pool, the A team can afford to lost a few top players, move kids up from the B team, and it's not the end of the world. At a small club though, once the dominoes start falling, sometimes that's it.
Other parents start to worry whether the team will be competitive at all, or even have enough left to field a team, and then a couple hit the panic button and bail, and it becomes reality for the rest. Just something to keep in mind for the future. It can be really hard for small clubs to keep their very best players as they get into middle and high school years. As with everything else in life though, enjoy it while it lasts. Carpe diem and all that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I have three kids at two different clubs, one big and one small. My kids are strong, consistent players but not superstars.

I much prefer the smaller club, not in every way, but almost every way. The attention to the kids, the atmosphere, the parents, the price, and also, most definitely, the training is far superior at the small club. I think it is probably because at the small club the coaches have been around for years and are committed to and consistent about the club's training philosophy. At the bigger club, coaches come and go.

The one negative about the small club is that the level of play varies enormously among age groups and there is a huge gap between A and B teams. What I mean is: in local big club, you pretty much know what the level is going to be on an A team from year to year. Of course it can be variable but not as much as in the smaller club. At the small club, some of the age groups have an excellent first team and some have a very weak first team. I have had some luck, I guess, in this respect and my two small club kids are on two competitive teams. They are very happy on their teams and getting excellent training, very successful in the best tournaments, and having a great experience of moving along with roughly the same group of kids.

It is my kid with the overall weaker age group who has ended up being better off at the big club. Big club has an easier job placing kids on the appropriate-level team and teams at the appropriate level of competition.

This is an excellent post and my experience with kids at both big and small clubs has been similar. If you can find the right coach and group of kids, and the club has good field access, the small club experience can be special.

One thing I would caution you about as your kids age up is the other disadvantage to the small club is team stability. At a big club with a deep talent pool, the A team can afford to lost a few top players, move kids up from the B team, and it's not the end of the world. At a small club though, once the dominoes start falling, sometimes that's it.
Other parents start to worry whether the team will be competitive at all, or even have enough left to field a team, and then a couple hit the panic button and bail, and it becomes reality for the rest. Just something to keep in mind for the future. It can be really hard for small clubs to keep their very best players as they get into middle and high school years. As with everything else in life though, enjoy it while it lasts. Carpe diem and all that.

I wonder if these club size dynamics exist in Europe. Your post illustrates the fact that it's not all about the development environment, the competitiveness of the team is important to players. Parents get scolded repeatedly in the US for being too win oriented. "It's player development that matters" they say. But nobody likes to lose. Over and over again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I have three kids at two different clubs, one big and one small. My kids are strong, consistent players but not superstars.

I much prefer the smaller club, not in every way, but almost every way. The attention to the kids, the atmosphere, the parents, the price, and also, most definitely, the training is far superior at the small club. I think it is probably because at the small club the coaches have been around for years and are committed to and consistent about the club's training philosophy. At the bigger club, coaches come and go.

The one negative about the small club is that the level of play varies enormously among age groups and there is a huge gap between A and B teams. What I mean is: in local big club, you pretty much know what the level is going to be on an A team from year to year. Of course it can be variable but not as much as in the smaller club. At the small club, some of the age groups have an excellent first team and some have a very weak first team. I have had some luck, I guess, in this respect and my two small club kids are on two competitive teams. They are very happy on their teams and getting excellent training, very successful in the best tournaments, and having a great experience of moving along with roughly the same group of kids.

It is my kid with the overall weaker age group who has ended up being better off at the big club. Big club has an easier job placing kids on the appropriate-level team and teams at the appropriate level of competition.

This is an excellent post and my experience with kids at both big and small clubs has been similar. If you can find the right coach and group of kids, and the club has good field access, the small club experience can be special.

One thing I would caution you about as your kids age up is the other disadvantage to the small club is team stability. At a big club with a deep talent pool, the A team can afford to lost a few top players, move kids up from the B team, and it's not the end of the world. At a small club though, once the dominoes start falling, sometimes that's it.
Other parents start to worry whether the team will be competitive at all, or even have enough left to field a team, and then a couple hit the panic button and bail, and it becomes reality for the rest. Just something to keep in mind for the future. It can be really hard for small clubs to keep their very best players as they get into middle and high school years. As with everything else in life though, enjoy it while it lasts. Carpe diem and all that.

I have seen smaller club unable to field teams in some year groups because they do not get enough kids trying out. Also many times the team will have a small roster. I have seen tournaments where the small club will have one or no subs. It’s hard to play that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I have three kids at two different clubs, one big and one small. My kids are strong, consistent players but not superstars.

I much prefer the smaller club, not in every way, but almost every way. The attention to the kids, the atmosphere, the parents, the price, and also, most definitely, the training is far superior at the small club. I think it is probably because at the small club the coaches have been around for years and are committed to and consistent about the club's training philosophy. At the bigger club, coaches come and go.

The one negative about the small club is that the level of play varies enormously among age groups and there is a huge gap between A and B teams. What I mean is: in local big club, you pretty much know what the level is going to be on an A team from year to year. Of course it can be variable but not as much as in the smaller club. At the small club, some of the age groups have an excellent first team and some have a very weak first team. I have had some luck, I guess, in this respect and my two small club kids are on two competitive teams. They are very happy on their teams and getting excellent training, very successful in the best tournaments, and having a great experience of moving along with roughly the same group of kids.

It is my kid with the overall weaker age group who has ended up being better off at the big club. Big club has an easier job placing kids on the appropriate-level team and teams at the appropriate level of competition.

This is an excellent post and my experience with kids at both big and small clubs has been similar. If you can find the right coach and group of kids, and the club has good field access, the small club experience can be special.

One thing I would caution you about as your kids age up is the other disadvantage to the small club is team stability. At a big club with a deep talent pool, the A team can afford to lost a few top players, move kids up from the B team, and it's not the end of the world. At a small club though, once the dominoes start falling, sometimes that's it.
Other parents start to worry whether the team will be competitive at all, or even have enough left to field a team, and then a couple hit the panic button and bail, and it becomes reality for the rest. Just something to keep in mind for the future. It can be really hard for small clubs to keep their very best players as they get into middle and high school years. As with everything else in life though, enjoy it while it lasts. Carpe diem and all that.

I wonder if these club size dynamics exist in Europe. Your post illustrates the fact that it's not all about the development environment, the competitiveness of the team is important to players. Parents get scolded repeatedly in the US for being too win oriented. "It's player development that matters" they say. But nobody likes to lose. Over and over again.

Completely different situation in Europe. Players are either in an academy (affiliated with a first team), or they are just playing recreational in their local community sports club. Most professional and even amateur clubs have youth academies, even down to the lower divisions. I don't think the academies are ever short on finding enough players to field a team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I have three kids at two different clubs, one big and one small. My kids are strong, consistent players but not superstars.

I much prefer the smaller club, not in every way, but almost every way. The attention to the kids, the atmosphere, the parents, the price, and also, most definitely, the training is far superior at the small club. I think it is probably because at the small club the coaches have been around for years and are committed to and consistent about the club's training philosophy. At the bigger club, coaches come and go.

The one negative about the small club is that the level of play varies enormously among age groups and there is a huge gap between A and B teams. What I mean is: in local big club, you pretty much know what the level is going to be on an A team from year to year. Of course it can be variable but not as much as in the smaller club. At the small club, some of the age groups have an excellent first team and some have a very weak first team. I have had some luck, I guess, in this respect and my two small club kids are on two competitive teams. They are very happy on their teams and getting excellent training, very successful in the best tournaments, and having a great experience of moving along with roughly the same group of kids.

It is my kid with the overall weaker age group who has ended up being better off at the big club. Big club has an easier job placing kids on the appropriate-level team and teams at the appropriate level of competition.

This is an excellent post and my experience with kids at both big and small clubs has been similar. If you can find the right coach and group of kids, and the club has good field access, the small club experience can be special.

One thing I would caution you about as your kids age up is the other disadvantage to the small club is team stability. At a big club with a deep talent pool, the A team can afford to lost a few top players, move kids up from the B team, and it's not the end of the world. At a small club though, once the dominoes start falling, sometimes that's it.
Other parents start to worry whether the team will be competitive at all, or even have enough left to field a team, and then a couple hit the panic button and bail, and it becomes reality for the rest. Just something to keep in mind for the future. It can be really hard for small clubs to keep their very best players as they get into middle and high school years. As with everything else in life though, enjoy it while it lasts. Carpe diem and all that.

I wonder if these club size dynamics exist in Europe. Your post illustrates the fact that it's not all about the development environment, the competitiveness of the team is important to players. Parents get scolded repeatedly in the US for being too win oriented. "It's player development that matters" they say. But nobody likes to lose. Over and over again.

I think you are right that it's hard to lose again and again. But also, if you are losing again and again, most likely something is off. Either the team has not been placed appropriately or there is a huge drop in talent level. (These can be very frustrating in a team sport--even if my individual player is developing nicely.) Both of these can happen anywhere but are more likely to happen when the player pool is small. That said, when there is some consistency to the playing level, appropriate competition, and so on, I definitely prefer the small club experience.