Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.

Just look at the demographics at TJ if there's any doubt about this.

Um, whut? Do you think TJ demographics prove that TJ "just doesn't like" Black and Latino kids?

What TJ demographics prove is that ability to pass the TJ entrance exam and interest in attending TJ is Asian > white > black/Hispanic.

What is the jew/goy mix of tj whites?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The author is overplaying the "only rich kids can afford it" idea. We are not "rich". Far from it, we are upper middle class. We are still spending about $5,000 a year on travel lacrosse. That is well within the reach of parents who earn even significantly less than we do.

and your kid was recruited to an Ivy league school?

Too soon to tell. He's in 6th grade. =)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The author is overplaying the "only rich kids can afford it" idea. We are not "rich". Far from it, we are upper middle class. We are still spending about $5,000 a year on travel lacrosse. That is well within the reach of parents who earn even significantly less than we do.

and your kid was recruited to an Ivy league school?

Too soon to tell. He's in 6th grade. =)

So very likely you will be paying $12k/yr on sports by HS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The author is overplaying the "only rich kids can afford it" idea. We are not "rich". Far from it, we are upper middle class. We are still spending about $5,000 a year on travel lacrosse. That is well within the reach of parents who earn even significantly less than we do.

and your kid was recruited to an Ivy league school?

Too soon to tell. He's in 6th grade. =)

So very likely you will be paying $12k/yr on sports by HS.

Not sure why lax would be more than twice as expensive then. He's already on a travel team and getting private coaching. Do high school teams go to a lot more tournaments?

[Anonymous]

$12K is not necessary or the norm for plenty of lax players.

DS plays HS lax and D1 looks highly likely. A gifted all-around athlete can play club close to home. He started lax around 6th grade, did some club lax with minimal travel in middle school, no summer camps etc.

In 9th started HS lax and a more serious club team in the summer between 9th and 10th. Club for the year is $2K plus about 5-6 hotel nights, gas and some food plus gear. Another $125-150 for a few events (UnderArmour) and a few tournaments so probably closer to $6K. There are families that probably spend at least $12K especially if they live outside the East Coast or have the drive/funds and feel the need to go to summer camps, but it's not necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lower quartile of test scores/grades getting into elite colleges are comprised of athletes, full pays, legacies and URMs.

this is totally false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.

Just look at the demographics at TJ if there's any doubt about this.

Um, whut? Do you think TJ demographics prove that TJ "just doesn't like" Black and Latino kids?

What TJ demographics prove is that ability to pass the TJ entrance exam and interest in attending TJ is Asian > white > black/Hispanic.

And that the folks at TJ have no problem attending a school with zero diversity.

[Anonymous]

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By the National Collegiate Athletic Association’s own estimate, 61 percent of student athletes last year were white.

58% of all college students are white (non-Hispanic). 61% is not out of line with this, and hardly demonstrates a racist advantage for whites.

When it comes to college athletics, football and basketball command the most public attention, but in the background is a phalanx of lower-profile sports favored by white kids, which often cost a small fortune for a student participating at a top level. Ivy League sports like sailing, golf, water polo, fencing, and lacrosse aren’t typically staples of urban high schools with big nonwhite populations; they have entrenched reputations as suburban, country-club sports.

These "lower profile" sports, put together, represent a trivial number of high school and college athletes. And every Ivy league school does not even offer these sports. Basically, this is not an impressive claim when you consider that the overwhelming majority of athletes are in football, basketball, baseball, and soccer, sports in which blacks and Hispanics have plenty of opportunity and in which they excel.

One in five families of an elite high-school athlete spend $1,000 a month on sports—the average family of a lacrosse player spends nearly $8,000 a year.

The author is overplaying the "only rich kids can afford it" idea. We are not "rich". Far from it, we are upper middle class. We are still spending about $5,000 a year on travel lacrosse. That is well within the reach of parents who earn even significantly less than we do.

and your kid was recruited to an Ivy league school?

Different poster, but why is that relevant? My kid is being recruited by several ivies for a sport and PP's comments make sense to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.

Just look at the demographics at TJ if there's any doubt about this.

Um, whut? Do you think TJ demographics prove that TJ "just doesn't like" Black and Latino kids?

What TJ demographics prove is that ability to pass the TJ entrance exam and interest in attending TJ is Asian > white > black/Hispanic.

What is the jew/goy mix of tj whites?

What is the relevance of the question? If Jews were over- or under-represented, so what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.

Just look at the demographics at TJ if there's any doubt about this.

Um, whut? Do you think TJ demographics prove that TJ "just doesn't like" Black and Latino kids?

What TJ demographics prove is that ability to pass the TJ entrance exam and interest in attending TJ is Asian > white > black/Hispanic.

And that the folks at TJ have no problem attending a school with zero diversity.

TJ is 25% white non-Hispanic. So they are 75% diverse, not 0% diverse. (Do you even math?) Yeah, they must hate hate hate diversity! Oh wait, I forgot, Asian diversity is the "wrong" kind of diversity according to white liberal racists, and it doesn't count. Too bad!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Athletic scholarships should be abolished. They only serve to perpetuate racism. College is about academics, period.

Nope. College is also about selecting and developing future leaders. Athletes (especially in team sports) have demonstrated leadership potential. "Good students" are very often shitty leaders.

This is such an overstatement. Some great athletes are great leaders. You have a very simplistic view of leadership.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The lower quartile of test scores/grades getting into elite colleges are comprised of athletes, full pays, legacies and URMs.

this is totally false.

Do tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.

Just look at the demographics at TJ if there's any doubt about this.

Um, whut? Do you think TJ demographics prove that TJ "just doesn't like" Black and Latino kids?

What TJ demographics prove is that ability to pass the TJ entrance exam and interest in attending TJ is Asian > white > black/Hispanic.

And that the folks at TJ have no problem attending a school with zero diversity.

TJ is 25% white non-Hispanic. So they are 75% diverse, not 0% diverse. (Do you even math?) Yeah, they must hate hate hate diversity! Oh wait, I forgot, Asian diversity is the "wrong" kind of diversity according to white liberal racists, and it doesn't count. Too bad!

DP. How are you defining diversity? How is 75% of one category diverse?

Generally, diversity is defined as having a variety or mix of different types of whatever is being considered. So, if you were counting M&Ms, for instance, and found that 75% of the candies in the bag you just bought were blue and 25% were green, when you were expecting a mix of blue, green, yellow, red, purple, and brown, would you consider that bag of candy to have a diverse mix of colors or a mix that is not as diverse as it could have been?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a swimmer and a high school senior who has been going through the recruiting process, with Ivy league and flagship public colleges. As she met with coaches and teams we noticed that the Ivies teams have a significant number of Asian student on their rosters.

As a swim mom I would attest to my personal observation that over the 8-10 years DD has been swimming competitively in the Mid-Atlantic region that there are an increasing number of Asian parents in the stands and swimmers competing. For the record I think diversity is always welcome. My point is that I think Asian students who aspire to the Ivy league are pursuing all the paths to enrollment, including sports.

As ppl have mentioned that Ivy teams need to have a minimum academic average across the team. DD ended up going with the flagship program over the Ivy bc she is deeply committed to her swimming and the flagship is a top 15 program nationally. The Ivy she did not choose announced an Asian swimmer with comparable times in the same events as DD. My point is the Asian students are not there with mediocre times and good GPAs. These kids excel in the pool.

swimming, tennis, fencing... yes we know... Asians.

Lots of Asians on top lacrosse teams too. My DD is at Holton (ranked high school top 20 team) and many of our starting players are Asian with commitments to Ivies and similar. We also had a Stanford commit last year who was AA. All of these girls, and their white teammates, are excellent students and qualified for Ivy/NESCAC schools both academically and athletically which is why they are sought after. And Holton is not alone of course (it's just more diverse on the lacrosse front). Other top schools in this area have the same thing going on with girls' lacrosse, I think that's why college coaches tend to come back to the same high school programs when looking for athletes. Either way, having seen the process students go through when seeking offers to play at a high level, I don't think it's the easy path that this article suggests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.

Just look at the demographics at TJ if there's any doubt about this.

Um, whut? Do you think TJ demographics prove that TJ "just doesn't like" Black and Latino kids?

What TJ demographics prove is that ability to pass the TJ entrance exam and interest in attending TJ is Asian > white > black/Hispanic.

And that the folks at TJ have no problem attending a school with zero diversity.

TJ is 25% white non-Hispanic. So they are 75% diverse, not 0% diverse. (Do you even math?) Yeah, they must hate hate hate diversity! Oh wait, I forgot, Asian diversity is the "wrong" kind of diversity according to white liberal racists, and it doesn't count. Too bad!

DP. How are you defining diversity? How is 75% of one category diverse?

Generally, diversity is defined as having a variety or mix of different types of whatever is being considered. So, if you were counting M&Ms, for instance, and found that 75% of the candies in the bag you just bought were blue and 25% were green, when you were expecting a mix of blue, green, yellow, red, purple, and brown, would you consider that bag of candy to have a diverse mix of colors or a mix that is not as diverse as it could have been?

Cut the shit. You know very well that neither colleges nor TJ defines "diversity" like that. "Diversity" is the Democrat code-word for "black or Hispanic", and they would consider a school with 75% (or even 100%) blacks to be "diverse". Democrats despise Asians as boring grade-grubbers and therefore they don't count for "diversity" purposes.