Country Not as Divided as Seems

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

They don’t need a reason. They just are angry and hateful. That’s what they do.

Oh, I don't know. Perhaps being called a "rape apologist" when defending a man who was presumed guilty by so many of you, with absolutely no evidence or corroboration. Or maybe being called "Nazis, racists, Russian trolls, and bots" because we're against illegal immigration?

Silly, right? Why would anyone be angry about those things? You really need to stop feigning innocence and own your part in all of this.

Your party controls all levers of government. Why hasn't your side proposed any intelligent solutions, unless all they know is how to blame others?

We have - a physical barrier. Won’t work? Take all the locks off your windows and doors please

A national border is not a house, honey. If that's all you can come up with then please take a seat and let the adults talk.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

They don’t need a reason. They just are angry and hateful. That’s what they do.

Oh, I don't know. Perhaps being called a "rape apologist" when defending a man who was presumed guilty by so many of you, with absolutely no evidence or corroboration. Or maybe being called "Nazis, racists, Russian trolls, and bots" because we're against illegal immigration?

Silly, right? Why would anyone be angry about those things? You really need to stop feigning innocence and own your part in all of this.

Your party controls all levers of government. Why hasn't your side proposed any intelligent solutions, unless all they know is how to blame others?

We have - a physical barrier. Won’t work? Take all the locks off your windows and doors please

A national border is not a house, honey. If that's all you can come up with then please take a seat and let the adults talk.

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It’s childish, magical thinking.

And a quick reminder - twice we’ve come up with comprehensive immigration reform and twice the GOP has killed it.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

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Not as divided? So was the former Yugoslavia. There were always ethnic tensions over hundreds of years but in Bosnia, people of different religions would share birthdays and festivals with neighbors. It is the leaders who always screw things up. Milosevic, Tujman, etc. got all the nothings riled up.

And it is that way in the United States. Where are the moderate Republicans an Blue Dog Democrats who got things done.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

Sounds good to me. But you know this wouldn't move the needle on the deficit problem, right?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

This actually sounds reasonable. So why are elected Republicans trying to build a wall?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

What about the Bully-in-Chief? Where are your complaints about him. Absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

+1,000,000

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

+1,000,000

What's with the +1,000,000? You're one person, unless you're posting from Wyoming where your vote counts disproportionately.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

They don’t need a reason. They just are angry and hateful. That’s what they do.

Oh, I don't know. Perhaps being called a "rape apologist" when defending a man who was presumed guilty by so many of you, with absolutely no evidence or corroboration. Or maybe being called "Nazis, racists, Russian trolls, and bots" because we're against illegal immigration?

Silly, right? Why would anyone be angry about those things? You really need to stop feigning innocence and own your part in all of this.

Your party controls all levers of government. Why hasn't your side proposed any intelligent solutions, unless all they know is how to blame others?

We have - a physical barrier. Won’t work? Take all the locks off your windows and doors please

A national border is not a house, honey. If that's all you can come up with then please take a seat and let the adults talk.

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It’s childish, magical thinking.

And a quick reminder - twice we’ve come up with comprehensive immigration reform and twice the GOP has killed it.

Because today's GOP doesn't actually care about policy. They don't really have a position that they aren't willing to change 180 if it suits them. As long as the rich stay rich, which is nearly impossible to prevent, and as long as they stay in power, they don't actually care about the underlying policy. What they care about is winning the argument, winning the fight, defeating whatever the other side wants to do. If you are on the 'other side' and you start agreeing with them, they will change their position.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

Those are not the kind of changes I meant. There are social and economic changes that come with bringing in large numbers of immigrants. Conservatives find this threatening. You aren't wrong, it's a national challenge to absorb a lot of low skill immigrants at once. Your policy changes on immigration are meant to slow down and reduce the impact of immigration.

Also, the changes on civility are something I think a lot of people on both sides can agree with, but they are just changes back to how things were a few years ago.

And there are other differences between conservatives and liberals as well. Some conservatives are authoritarian and want there to be more rules to keep people in line -i.e. no welfare cheats, no free riders. Liberals tend to think there aren't a lot of people on welfare who actually could work. There might be some, but they'd accept a few if that means others won't starve. Conservatives call those liberals, "bleeding hearts." Conservatives are necessarily wrong about that.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

Those are not the kind of changes I meant. There are social and economic changes that come with bringing in large numbers of immigrants. Conservatives find this threatening. You aren't wrong, it's a national challenge to absorb a lot of low skill immigrants at once. Your policy changes on immigration are meant to slow down and reduce the impact of immigration.

Also, the changes on civility are something I think a lot of people on both sides can agree with, but they are just changes back to how things were a few years ago.

And there are other differences between conservatives and liberals as well. Some conservatives are authoritarian and want there to be more rules to keep people in line -i.e. no welfare cheats, no free riders. Liberals tend to think there aren't a lot of people on welfare who actually could work. There might be some, but they'd accept a few if that means others won't starve. Conservatives call those liberals, "bleeding hearts." Conservatives are necessarily wrong about that.

Last sentence.should read "NOT necessarily wrong about that." In other words, some liberals actually are bleeding hearts.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

This actually sounds reasonable. So why are elected Republicans trying to build a wall?

Wow! Did a liberal actually call my proposals re immigration "reasonable"? You see? If liberals would stop calling conservatives racists and a-holes and actually listen to us, they'd find most of us are quite reasonable. (That's why my first grouping was regarding civility.)

As far as the wall, I'm not a big proponent. It might slow the tide, but it won't solve the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no “both sides” to this, there’s no polarization from the left. Whatever your politics, you sound like an angry conservative,

Liberal here. I see a lot of polarization on the left. Both sides are angry right now.

Not a rhetorical question- What the heck do the Republicans have to be mad about? Can a real Republican please explain it to me like I'm 5?

I'm not a Republican, but my view is that the country is changing too fast for them. Conservatives are more uncomfortable with rapid change than liberals are. They may even think it's dangerous. I am not saying they are wrong, it's a psychological disposition. Liberals are more inclined to accept change and believe change is necessary to solve new problems.

There's a difference between "changing too fast" and "changing for the worse." I'd be delighted with fast change - IF it were for the good.

What would “good” change look like to you?

Well.....I could write an entire book on what good change looks like, but let's start with some easy ones:

1) Democrats will stop calling for incivility until they are returned to power.
2) Democrats will stop calling everyone who disagrees with them an asshole, racist, or idiot.
3) People will stop physically attacking those who support the opposite political party.
4) Republicans will be allowed to eat a meal with their families without being harrassed or thrown out.

And a couple of harder ones, focusing on immigration:

1) Immigration will be based on merit, which means that adults over 18 must have a high school diploma and a marketable skill.
2) Immigrants who sponsor their elderly parents (bringing them over when they're 70+ and therefore will not work or pay taxes) will not be able to sign them up for any taxpayer benefits.....EVER.
3) Children of illegal immigrants still get an education, but their parents pay a fee for each child in ESOL classes.
3) We abolish the birthright citizenship law.

And to help finance our government programs:

1) The minimum AMT will be restored for everyone earning over $25,000 to equal 1% of their income, so a rich person earning $1 million pays $10,000 and a working class person pays $250. The only people who get completely free rides will be the working poor.
2) Parents in welfare (or whatever the term is these days) with at least one child over 13 must work or be enrolled in a training program in order to continue benefits. The young teen can babysit younger siblings.

Well, those are a few off the top of my head.

Those are not the kind of changes I meant. There are social and economic changes that come with bringing in large numbers of immigrants. Conservatives find this threatening. You aren't wrong, it's a national challenge to absorb a lot of low skill immigrants at once. Your policy changes on immigration are meant to slow down and reduce the impact of immigration.

Also, the changes on civility are something I think a lot of people on both sides can agree with, but they are just changes back to how things were a few years ago.

And there are other differences between conservatives and liberals as well. Some conservatives are authoritarian and want there to be more rules to keep people in line -i.e. no welfare cheats, no free riders. Liberals tend to think there aren't a lot of people on welfare who actually could work. There might be some, but they'd accept a few if that means others won't starve. Conservatives call those liberals, "bleeding hearts." Conservatives are necessarily wrong about that.

Well first of all, you asked me what changes sound "good" to me, so my answer reflects my focus on the areas we can change via policies, and immigration is front and center.

As for economic and social changes that come with bringing in large groups of people, these changes are minimized if we allow in people based on meet, which in my opinion are people who have the minimal education/skill level to support themselves and their families. (Exceptions would still be in place for asylum cases.)

I also wonder if what you have in mind re "social change" is related to diversity, but that's where I see a difference betweem conservatives and liberals. Liberals seem to think that diversity is a good end goal in and of itself, such as we have with that diversity lottery (or whatever they call it). I don't think we need more brown people, or yellow people, or whatever-color people to immigrate here as an end goal. I think we need GOOD people, regardless of color, and by that I mean law-abiding people who have a basic education, a job skill, and who support their families without govt assistance.