FCPS Poverty Rates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You haven't offered a clear definition of what it means for a school to be "overburdened." Title I schools get extra funds and have smaller classes and more teaching assistants than other schools. In FCPS and other area jurisdictions, many of the best principals and other administrators are assigned to those schools. And FCPS is building more new schools in eastern Fairfax than just about anywhere else in the county (new building at Glasgow, Mason Crest, Bailey's Upper, plans to expand Stuart/Justice, etc.).

And, just where do you think those funds come from? The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?

The SB asked for extra funds from the feds when we had the influx of unaccompanied minors. Nothing extra was given.

Yes, Title I funds come from the feds--that does not mean it is "free." And, FCPS also gives additional funds for extra staffing in Title I schools that comes from our local funding. So, you please tell me, where is it coming from? It is money that is being taken from the rest of the kids.

It's an investment in our future. Your griping is no different from the Protestants who didn't want the Irish, the Italians, and the Jews coming into the county decades ago, or the whites who passed the Chinese Exclusion Act.

[Anonymous]

It's an investment in our future. Your griping is no different from the Protestants who didn't want the Irish, the Italians, and the Jews coming into the county decades ago, or the whites who passed the Chinese Exclusion Act.

That is quite a stretch. And, you do understand that every community in the nation is not absorbing the large increase of needs. FCPS received far more than most places in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's an investment in our future. Your griping is no different from the Protestants who didn't want the Irish, the Italians, and the Jews coming into the county decades ago, or the whites who passed the Chinese Exclusion Act.

That is quite a stretch. And, you do understand that every community in the nation is not absorbing the large increase of needs. FCPS received far more than most places in the US.

It's not a stretch at all. And Fairfax County is large and wealthy enough to absorb more people fleeing poverty and violence. Did you want to send them to Appalachia or Baltimore instead?

[Anonymous]

FARMS rates in major NoVa jurisdictions 2017-18:

Alexandria 58.9%
Prince William 41.9%
Stafford 31.2%
Arlington 30.5%
Fairfax 29.3%
Loudoun 17.6%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are the posters on this board aware that 34% of FCPS schools now have a F/R lunch rate over 40%? 30 schools have a rate greater than 65%. I get the feeling that most posters on this board are living in a bubble away from the poverty or choose to ignore it as long as their school is not impacted.

No, I don't call it a bubble. We might not have noticed because we are busy busting our butts at work. I don't get why OP thinks success a bad thing?

[Anonymous]

Since none of the liberals on this board seem to think there is a burden on the poor FCPS schools, then none of them should be against a massive realignment of the FCPS boundaries.

Simple fact is that the schools in FCPS are very far apart now. Spending a few extra tax dollars on a very poor school with a large number of non-English speakers who had very little if any formal schooling in their native countries does not make these schools comparable. The poor schools are sending out "attendance matters" e-mails/phone calls and trying to teach the unaccompanied minors English. The wealthy schools are wondering how many kids will take AP Calculus and if the robotics team will be competitive.

Liberal policies will continue to import more poverty and they will continue to be concentrated in particular schools. The people at the effected schools would like this to stop. At the very least this burden should be shared in a more equitable fashion.

And I don't blame the immigrants at all - I can see why they want to be here.

[Anonymous]

Where are you getting updated FARMS rates? I don't see them showing up on the school profiles yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since none of the liberals on this board seem to think there is a burden on the poor FCPS schools, then none of them should be against a massive realignment of the FCPS boundaries.

Simple fact is that the schools in FCPS are very far apart now. Spending a few extra tax dollars on a very poor school with a large number of non-English speakers who had very little if any formal schooling in their native countries does not make these schools comparable. The poor schools are sending out "attendance matters" e-mails/phone calls and trying to teach the unaccompanied minors English. The wealthy schools are wondering how many kids will take AP Calculus and if the robotics team will be competitive.

Liberal policies will continue to import more poverty and they will continue to be concentrated in particular schools. The people at the effected schools would like this to stop. At the very least this burden should be shared in a more equitable fashion.

And I don't blame the immigrants at all - I can see why they want to be here.

The conservatives in Clifton, Fairfax Station, Great Falls and West Springfield would be the first to object to a major realignment of FCPS boundaries (which under your scenario presumably would send kids from West Springfield to Lee, from Robinson to Centreville, from Langley to Herndon, etc.).

[Anonymous]

A prior poster hit the nail on the head. There really are 2 fairfaxes.

I do think liberals are more full of hypocrisy though do as I say not as I do and all

I feel bad for Annandale that high school has really gone down hill. Blame the SBOE and the poor redistricting they did

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since none of the liberals on this board seem to think there is a burden on the poor FCPS schools, then none of them should be against a massive realignment of the FCPS boundaries.

Simple fact is that the schools in FCPS are very far apart now. Spending a few extra tax dollars on a very poor school with a large number of non-English speakers who had very little if any formal schooling in their native countries does not make these schools comparable. The poor schools are sending out "attendance matters" e-mails/phone calls and trying to teach the unaccompanied minors English. The wealthy schools are wondering how many kids will take AP Calculus and if the robotics team will be competitive.

Liberal policies will continue to import more poverty and they will continue to be concentrated in particular schools. The people at the effected schools would like this to stop. At the very least this burden should be shared in a more equitable fashion.

And I don't blame the immigrants at all - I can see why they want to be here.

The conservatives in Clifton, Fairfax Station, Great Falls and West Springfield would be the first to object to a major realignment of FCPS boundaries (which under your scenario presumably would send kids from West Springfield to Lee, from Robinson to Centreville, from Langley to Herndon, etc.).

Perhaps they would complain, but they wouldn't be the hypocrites that the liberals are. Conservatives are also in short supply in Fairfax now. Look at the Board of Supervisors and the School Board. I think there are 4 Conservatives total on the two boards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since none of the liberals on this board seem to think there is a burden on the poor FCPS schools, then none of them should be against a massive realignment of the FCPS boundaries.

Simple fact is that the schools in FCPS are very far apart now. Spending a few extra tax dollars on a very poor school with a large number of non-English speakers who had very little if any formal schooling in their native countries does not make these schools comparable. The poor schools are sending out "attendance matters" e-mails/phone calls and trying to teach the unaccompanied minors English. The wealthy schools are wondering how many kids will take AP Calculus and if the robotics team will be competitive.

Liberal policies will continue to import more poverty and they will continue to be concentrated in particular schools. The people at the effected schools would like this to stop. At the very least this burden should be shared in a more equitable fashion.

And I don't blame the immigrants at all - I can see why they want to be here.

The conservatives in Clifton, Fairfax Station, Great Falls and West Springfield would be the first to object to a major realignment of FCPS boundaries (which under your scenario presumably would send kids from West Springfield to Lee, from Robinson to Centreville, from Langley to Herndon, etc.).

Perhaps they would complain, but they wouldn't be the hypocrites that the liberals are. Conservatives are also in short supply in Fairfax now. Look at the Board of Supervisors and the School Board. I think there are 4 Conservatives total on the two boards.

Right. But the zoning that resulted in the concentration of affordable market-rate housing in your school district (which you apparently find so upsetting) is a legacy of decisions made by the BOS when it was controlled by conservative Republicans. Don’t blame liberals because you can’t afford to be with your people in Clifton or Great Falls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since none of the liberals on this board seem to think there is a burden on the poor FCPS schools, then none of them should be against a massive realignment of the FCPS boundaries.

Simple fact is that the schools in FCPS are very far apart now. Spending a few extra tax dollars on a very poor school with a large number of non-English speakers who had very little if any formal schooling in their native countries does not make these schools comparable. The poor schools are sending out "attendance matters" e-mails/phone calls and trying to teach the unaccompanied minors English. The wealthy schools are wondering how many kids will take AP Calculus and if the robotics team will be competitive.

Liberal policies will continue to import more poverty and they will continue to be concentrated in particular schools. The people at the effected schools would like this to stop. At the very least this burden should be shared in a more equitable fashion.

And I don't blame the immigrants at all - I can see why they want to be here.

The conservatives in Clifton, Fairfax Station, Great Falls and West Springfield would be the first to object to a major realignment of FCPS boundaries (which under your scenario presumably would send kids from West Springfield to Lee, from Robinson to Centreville, from Langley to Herndon, etc.).

Perhaps they would complain, but they wouldn't be the hypocrites that the liberals are. Conservatives are also in short supply in Fairfax now. Look at the Board of Supervisors and the School Board. I think there are 4 Conservatives total on the two boards.

Right. But the zoning that resulted in the concentration of affordable market-rate housing in your school district (which you apparently find so upsetting) is a legacy of decisions made by the BOS when it was controlled by conservative Republicans. Don’t blame liberals because you can’t afford to be with your people in Clifton or Great Falls.

Nope. The schools I am talking about have been screwed over by a liberal school board. And my people certainly aren't those of Great Falls or Clifton.

[Anonymous]

In theory, the One Fairfax policy should start to address this with boudary changes. Who thinks the liberal School Board will actually take any real meaningful action?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since none of the liberals on this board seem to think there is a burden on the poor FCPS schools, then none of them should be against a massive realignment of the FCPS boundaries.

Simple fact is that the schools in FCPS are very far apart now. Spending a few extra tax dollars on a very poor school with a large number of non-English speakers who had very little if any formal schooling in their native countries does not make these schools comparable. The poor schools are sending out "attendance matters" e-mails/phone calls and trying to teach the unaccompanied minors English. The wealthy schools are wondering how many kids will take AP Calculus and if the robotics team will be competitive.

Liberal policies will continue to import more poverty and they will continue to be concentrated in particular schools. The people at the effected schools would like this to stop. At the very least this burden should be shared in a more equitable fashion.

And I don't blame the immigrants at all - I can see why they want to be here.

It doesn't seem like it would be difficult to rearrange boundaries here in Herndon where Carson and all its glory is only about 4 miles from Herndon Middle where only 59% of students are passing math. If you look at 7th grade only 28% are passing. There are 2 elementaries within 2-3 miles of another one with 85% poverty and the other with 15%. Blows my mind as to why this is okay.

[Anonymous]

Right. But the zoning that resulted in the concentration of affordable market-rate housing in your school district (which you apparently find so upsetting) is a legacy of decisions made by the BOS when it was controlled by conservative Republicans. Don’t blame liberals because you can’t afford to be with your people in Clifton or Great Falls.

And, it is not the BOS who decides where to build schools or makes boundary decisions. And, it has been a looooong time since our BOS was controlled by conservative Republicans. And, our SB has never been controlled by the GOP since it went to elected positions.

Look no further than the hypocrisy of former SB member Kathy Smith on this issue. She sent the trailer park to her neighborhood school in order to get full day K for the neighborhood school. As soon as all schools got full day K, she moved the trailer park out. Fact.