Next step if appeal is denied?

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Anonymous wrote:You take some steps back and try to accept your kid for who she or he is and enjoy your child and do what is best for your child NOT

your EGO. You get some perspective. You understand a kid can be bright, but may be better suited for General ed than AAP. You get over yourself.

That's only if you think the folks in charge of AAP admissions are actually competent enough to identify all kids correctly without even meeting them. Which I don't believe they are. And based on my son's WISC score and GBRS, I know he belongs.

+1. I'm trusting a psychologist who met my child over a committee of public school employees who have not.

Why exactly would a psychologist be particularly well suited to determining whether a kid was considered gifted?

Also, is this a psychologist you were paying and who knew you were seeking an opinion on giftedness? Given that factors a psychologist would "assess" are quite fuzzy, I could certainly see how bias creeps into the "analysis."

A psychologist is more suited because 1. they give an actual IQ test vs an aptitude test 2. they're trained to do so 3. it's 1:1 vs a group test which can scew unfavorably for gifted children and 4. they're objective. That your paying them doesn't matter they care more about their license than your kids. And it's not as if its a repeat use so them given you a false high score gets them nowhere, it's not like you will come back for more. Plenty of people pay them seeking an opinion on giftedness and get a "not gifted" or <130 score. There is nothing fuzzy about a WISC or SB so I have no idea what you think creeps into the analysis.

+100. Whoever said fuzzy and bias with regards to the WISC is a moron.

An anecdotal report with DD shows that, even an IQ test can be biased. My DD has ADD. She was 16 when diagnosed -- as part of a neurosych evaluation. In it, they gave her two distinct IQ tests -- one with 5 minute breaks every 30 mintues and one without them. She scored 25 point higher with the breaks: 110 without, vs 130 with. (we are using this info for the 504).

So, there are circumstances in some kids where the scores can be fuzzy, but they will typically be biased down. Note DD's loss of focus mostly impacted working memory where she went from 38% to 98% between the tests.

I agree that if there is any bias it is always one that ends up lowering the score. However, I would be very careful using any score that was received if they didn't administer the test the way it was intended and designed. They probably invalidated the test if they really gave breaks every 5 min. There is a reason these tests are standardized and administered on thousands of kids. Including special populations like ADHD. They have actually looked at the cognitive profile of these kids: "Children with ADHD demonstrate relatively preserved verbal comprehension and perceptual reasoning scores, with lower performance on auditory working memory and processing speed (Hale et al., 2012; Mayes, Calhoun, Chase, Mink, & Stagg, 2009; Mayes, Calhoun, Mayes, & Molitoris, 2012; Wakkinen, 2008; Wechsler, 2012; Zieman, 2010). These weaknesses are reflected in lower Cognitive Proficiency Index scores in relation to General Ability Index scores, although this discrepancy is also found in other clinical groups (Devena & Watkins, 2012)."

This is what should be highlighted and spoken to them n the report.

The point with my daughter's test was not to get an IQ test, but rather to figure out what was going on. That is why they did what they did. They wanted to see the role mental fatigue has on her. Now, because of this, she will get breaks when taking the SAT's. Suck on that.

If that was the point there was no need to do two IQ tests. They should have done tests of executive function and her NP profile would show this!!

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Anonymous wrote:You take some steps back and try to accept your kid for who she or he is and enjoy your child and do what is best for your child NOT

your EGO. You get some perspective. You understand a kid can be bright, but may be better suited for General ed than AAP. You get over yourself.

That's only if you think the folks in charge of AAP admissions are actually competent enough to identify all kids correctly without even meeting them. Which I don't believe they are. And based on my son's WISC score and GBRS, I know he belongs.

+1. I'm trusting a psychologist who met my child over a committee of public school employees who have not.

Why exactly would a psychologist be particularly well suited to determining whether a kid was considered gifted?

Also, is this a psychologist you were paying and who knew you were seeking an opinion on giftedness? Given that factors a psychologist would "assess" are quite fuzzy, I could certainly see how bias creeps into the "analysis."

A psychologist is more suited because 1. they give an actual IQ test vs an aptitude test 2. they're trained to do so 3. it's 1:1 vs a group test which can scew unfavorably for gifted children and 4. they're objective. That your paying them doesn't matter they care more about their license than your kids. And it's not as if its a repeat use so them given you a false high score gets them nowhere, it's not like you will come back for more. Plenty of people pay them seeking an opinion on giftedness and get a "not gifted" or <130 score. There is nothing fuzzy about a WISC or SB so I have no idea what you think creeps into the analysis.

+100. Whoever said fuzzy and bias with regards to the WISC is a moron.

An anecdotal report with DD shows that, even an IQ test can be biased. My DD has ADD. She was 16 when diagnosed -- as part of a neurosych evaluation. In it, they gave her two distinct IQ tests -- one with 5 minute breaks every 30 mintues and one without them. She scored 25 point higher with the breaks: 110 without, vs 130 with. (we are using this info for the 504).

So, there are circumstances in some kids where the scores can be fuzzy, but they will typically be biased down. Note DD's loss of focus mostly impacted working memory where she went from 38% to 98% between the tests.

I agree that if there is any bias it is always one that ends up lowering the score. However, I would be very careful using any score that was received if they didn't administer the test the way it was intended and designed. They probably invalidated the test if they really gave breaks every 5 min. There is a reason these tests are standardized and administered on thousands of kids. Including special populations like ADHD. They have actually looked at the cognitive profile of these kids: "Children with ADHD demonstrate relatively preserved verbal comprehension and perceptual reasoning scores, with lower performance on auditory working memory and processing speed (Hale et al., 2012; Mayes, Calhoun, Chase, Mink, & Stagg, 2009; Mayes, Calhoun, Mayes, & Molitoris, 2012; Wakkinen, 2008; Wechsler, 2012; Zieman, 2010). These weaknesses are reflected in lower Cognitive Proficiency Index scores in relation to General Ability Index scores, although this discrepancy is also found in other clinical groups (Devena & Watkins, 2012)."

This is what should be highlighted and spoken to them n the report.

The point with my daughter's test was not to get an IQ test, but rather to figure out what was going on. That is why they did what they did. They wanted to see the role mental fatigue has on her. Now, because of this, she will get breaks when taking the SAT's. Suck on that.

If that was the point there was no need to do two IQ tests. They should have done tests of executive function and her NP profile would show this!!

Exactly. So, to the OP, suck on that!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You take some steps back and try to accept your kid for who she or he is and enjoy your child and do what is best for your child NOT your EGO. You get some perspective. You understand a kid can be bright, but may be better suited for General ed than AAP. You get over yourself.

My child has a 140 IQ. So no, my kid is more than bright and not better suited for Gen Ed. So you can get over youself.

No, OP, you can get over YOURself. I feel so sorry for your poor child who is stuck with Tiger Mom and Dad and is never going to be good enough. Been there, done that, and as a child, it SUCKS. Please get over this, your child will be fine in general education. There are just as many GenEd kids in AP classes in high school as AAP kids (if not more).

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Anonymous wrote:You take some steps back and try to accept your kid for who she or he is and enjoy your child and do what is best for your child NOT your EGO. You get some perspective. You understand a kid can be bright, but may be better suited for General ed than AAP. You get over yourself.

My child has a 140 IQ. So no, my kid is more than bright and not better suited for Gen Ed. So you can get over youself.

No, OP, you can get over YOURself. I feel so sorry for your poor child who is stuck with Tiger Mom and Dad and is never going to be good enough. Been there, done that, and as a child, it SUCKS. Please get over this, your child will be fine in general education. There are just as many GenEd kids in AP classes in high school as AAP kids (if not more).

A lot of people don’t want to settle for “just fine” thank you very much. There are a number of reasons why I personally don’t want my kid stuck in gen ed. You’ll never get it.

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Anonymous wrote:You take some steps back and try to accept your kid for who she or he is and enjoy your child and do what is best for your child NOT your EGO. You get some perspective. You understand a kid can be bright, but may be better suited for General ed than AAP. You get over yourself.

My child has a 140 IQ. So no, my kid is more than bright and not better suited for Gen Ed. So you can get over youself.

No, OP, you can get over YOURself. I feel so sorry for your poor child who is stuck with Tiger Mom and Dad and is never going to be good enough. Been there, done that, and as a child, it SUCKS. Please get over this, your child will be fine in general education. There are just as many GenEd kids in AP classes in high school as AAP kids (if not more).

I child with 140 IQ doesn't belong in general Ed and won't be fine. He or she may actually be damaged.

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https://giftedchallenges.blogspot.com/2016/06/intelligence-denied-when-gifted.html?m=1

You can harm a child who is gifted by denying them gifted services and leaving them with the masses

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Anonymous wrote:You take some steps back and try to accept your kid for who she or he is and enjoy your child and do what is best for your child NOT your EGO. You get some perspective. You understand a kid can be bright, but may be better suited for General ed than AAP. You get over yourself.

My child has a 140 IQ. So no, my kid is more than bright and not better suited for Gen Ed. So you can get over youself.

No, OP, you can get over YOURself. I feel so sorry for your poor child who is stuck with Tiger Mom and Dad and is never going to be good enough. Been there, done that, and as a child, it SUCKS. Please get over this, your child will be fine in general education. There are just as many GenEd kids in AP classes in high school as AAP kids (if not more).

I child with 140 IQ doesn't belong in general Ed and won't be fine. He or she may actually be damaged.

IQ is just one part of the picture. High IQ (assuming test done via reputable sources)with poor/mdeicore NNAT/Cogat/GBRS raises concern. Generally children who made in the first round will have high IQ/NNAT/Cogat/GBRS. Most of the kids we though will make to AAP were selected in first round in my DC class. There were 1-2 surprises (but we didn't know the kids that well)

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IQ is just one part of the picture. High IQ (assuming test done via reputable sources)with poor/mediocre NNAT/Cogat/GBRS raises concern. Generally children who made in the first round will have high IQ/NNAT/Cogat/GBRS. Most of the kids we thought will make to AAP were selected in first round in my DC class. There were 1-2 surprises (but we didn't know the kids that well)

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Anonymous wrote:You take some steps back and try to accept your kid for who she or he is and enjoy your child and do what is best for your child NOT your EGO. You get some perspective. You understand a kid can be bright, but may be better suited for General ed than AAP. You get over yourself.

My child has a 140 IQ. So no, my kid is more than bright and not better suited for Gen Ed. So you can get over youself.

No, OP, you can get over YOURself. I feel so sorry for your poor child who is stuck with Tiger Mom and Dad and is never going to be good enough. Been there, done that, and as a child, it SUCKS. Please get over this, your child will be fine in general education. There are just as many GenEd kids in AP classes in high school as AAP kids (if not more).

A lot of people don’t want to settle for “just fine” thank you very much. There are a number of reasons why I personally don’t want my kid stuck in gen ed. You’ll never get it.

Man, if this is OP, you sound like more and more of a b!tch every time you post.

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Anonymous wrote:IQ is just one part of the picture. High IQ (assuming test done via reputable sources)with poor/mediocre NNAT/Cogat/GBRS raises concern. Generally children who made in the first round will have high IQ/NNAT/Cogat/GBRS. Most of the kids we thought will make to AAP were selected in first round in my DC class. There were 1-2 surprises (but we didn't know the kids that well)

This isn't accurate. It's very common for high IQ kids to have mediocre NNAT and or CogAt. And most kids who get in first round don't get IQ tests so you have no idea what their IQs are.

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We will go to private school. We will not put our kid in a large general education classroom. So hopefully with smaller class sizes he can get the differentiated attention he needs.

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Anonymous wrote:IQ is just one part of the picture. High IQ (assuming test done via reputable sources)with poor/mediocre NNAT/Cogat/GBRS raises concern. Generally children who made in the first round will have high IQ/NNAT/Cogat/GBRS. Most of the kids we thought will make to AAP were selected in first round in my DC class. There were 1-2 surprises (but we didn't know the kids that well)

This isn't accurate. It's very common for high IQ kids to have mediocre NNAT and or CogAt. And most kids who get in first round don't get IQ tests so you have no idea what their IQs are.

Exactly! Since when does high IQ “raise concern”?! What an ignorant statement.

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Anonymous wrote:We will go to private school. We will not put our kid in a large general education classroom. So hopefully with smaller class sizes he can get the differentiated attention he needs.

If I had the money, that’s exactly what I would do too.

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Anonymous wrote:You take some steps back and try to accept your kid for who she or he is and enjoy your child and do what is best for your child NOT your EGO. You get some perspective. You understand a kid can be bright, but may be better suited for General ed than AAP. You get over yourself.

My child has a 140 IQ. So no, my kid is more than bright and not better suited for Gen Ed. So you can get over youself.

No, OP, you can get over YOURself. I feel so sorry for your poor child who is stuck with Tiger Mom and Dad and is never going to be good enough. Been there, done that, and as a child, it SUCKS. Please get over this, your child will be fine in general education. There are just as many GenEd kids in AP classes in high school as AAP kids (if not more).

A lot of people don’t want to settle for “just fine” thank you very much. There are a number of reasons why I personally don’t want my kid stuck in gen ed. You’ll never get it.

Man, if this is OP, you sound like more and more of a b!tch every time you post.

Ok, so explaining why I don’t want my kid in gen ed is bitchy? I’m not following the logic. And no, I’m not the OP.

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Anonymous wrote:You take some steps back and try to accept your kid for who she or he is and enjoy your child and do what is best for your child NOT your EGO. You get some perspective. You understand a kid can be bright, but may be better suited for General ed than AAP. You get over yourself.

My child has a 140 IQ. So no, my kid is more than bright and not better suited for Gen Ed. So you can get over youself.

No, OP, you can get over YOURself. I feel so sorry for your poor child who is stuck with Tiger Mom and Dad and is never going to be good enough. Been there, done that, and as a child, it SUCKS. Please get over this, your child will be fine in general education. There are just as many GenEd kids in AP classes in high school as AAP kids (if not more).

A lot of people don’t want to settle for “just fine” thank you very much. There are a number of reasons why I personally don’t want my kid stuck in gen ed. You’ll never get it.

Man, if this is OP, you sound like more and more of a b!tch every time you post.

Ok, so explaining why I don’t want my kid in gen ed is bitchy? I’m not following the logic. And no, I’m not the OP.

I'm with you PP. Telling someone whom you do not know that their kid will be just fine in GenEd while you sit with a glowing eligible letter is about as condescending as it gets.