McKinley stop hiding - The numbers show you are the ideal option school :

[Anonymous]

If you really start looking at the numbers and the map...Ashlawn families should be worried. Once you take away the Ballston corridor and students are needed for McKinley and Reed. Not much is left for Ashlawn. With a capacity of 684 and optimized to 876...these are the families that should really be concerned.

[Anonymous]

Wow ATS could expand nicely there and it is even closer to South Arlington than McKinley. Ashlawn is a hidden gem.

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Anonymous wrote:APS's enrollment forecast will be useless as long as Chadwick is involved with them. Ask McKinley.

Chadwick isn't involved anymore. They moved projections over to Lisa Stengle's area, and supposedly they are working more closely with County housing staff now to have one consistent set of population projections that reflects where they expect housing growth based on construction projects in the pipeline. The spring projection spreadsheet doesn't usually come out until mid-April, so it isn't late yet. The updated fall projections came out on Dec. 12, 2017 and are available here: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FallProjections18-27_Official_Web.pdf

You can see from the spreadsheet above that they have big problems with the ASFS/Key area. I don't see how they can avoid making both of those buildings neighborhood schools with those population numbers. My guess is the Key immersion program moves to the ATS building and the ATS program moves to Nottingham-- but all that doesn't happen until Reed opens in 2021.

In the meantime, Campbell program moves to Claremont, Claremont program to Carlin Springs, and Carlin Springs program to Campbell-- and that can all happen much more quickly (when Fleet opens) because it doesn't require the new seats at Reed to make it work.

They are not going to put four of the five choice programs in the western half of the county, it would make it impossible to manage capacity. Using choice programs to manage capacity only works if the programs are dispersed throughout the county

Not PP, but Carlin Springs isn't a program.

PP proposed putting option programs at Claremont, Carlin Springs, Nottingham and ATS. Those sites are all in the western part of the county.

APS staff made the same proposal, exactly, using only busing/efficiency as the determining factor. Not sure whether other considerations will mean not all of those are left in the "option"category.

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Anonymous wrote:APS's enrollment forecast will be useless as long as Chadwick is involved with them. Ask McKinley.

Chadwick isn't involved anymore. They moved projections over to Lisa Stengle's area, and supposedly they are working more closely with County housing staff now to have one consistent set of population projections that reflects where they expect housing growth based on construction projects in the pipeline. The spring projection spreadsheet doesn't usually come out until mid-April, so it isn't late yet. The updated fall projections came out on Dec. 12, 2017 and are available here: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FallProjections18-27_Official_Web.pdf

You can see from the spreadsheet above that they have big problems with the ASFS/Key area. I don't see how they can avoid making both of those buildings neighborhood schools with those population numbers. My guess is the Key immersion program moves to the ATS building and the ATS program moves to Nottingham-- but all that doesn't happen until Reed opens in 2021.

In the meantime, Campbell program moves to Claremont, Claremont program to Carlin Springs, and Carlin Springs program to Campbell-- and that can all happen much more quickly (when Fleet opens) because it doesn't require the new seats at Reed to make it work.

They are not going to put four of the five choice programs in the western half of the county, it would make it impossible to manage capacity. Using choice programs to manage capacity only works if the programs are dispersed throughout the county

Not PP, but Carlin Springs isn't a program.

PP proposed putting option programs at Claremont, Carlin Springs, Nottingham and ATS. Those sites are all in the western part of the county.

APS staff made the same proposal, exactly, using only busing/efficiency as the determining factor. Not sure whether other considerations will mean not all of those are left in the "option"category.

Staff also had ASFS in the mix. The staff identified five potential sites for four schools. Don't be disingenuous and pretend the staff recommended putting all four option school in the western part of the county.

[Anonymous]

Didn't staff also say that option families were more willing to be in trailers and go further out of their way? Benefits of self selection...

[Anonymous]

Yes. Option families (except ATS of course) are generally willing to accommodate trailers. Not ATS. They won't move or grow. Ever notice that they don't even post here. They spend their time with staff and SB. They have direct lines to get whatever they want.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Option families (except ATS of course) are generally willing to accommodate trailers. Not ATS. They won't move or grow. Ever notice that they don't even post here. They spend their time with staff and SB. They have direct lines to get whatever they want.

How does this happen? Can’t we all go to office hours and SB meetings and talk to them?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Option families (except ATS of course) are generally willing to accommodate trailers. Not ATS. They won't move or grow. Ever notice that they don't even post here. They spend their time with staff and SB. They have direct lines to get whatever they want.

How does this happen? Can’t we all go to office hours and SB meetings and talk to them?

If there was a major uprising of families pointing out the inefficiencies and lack of differentiated program at ATS, they would take it up. It would have to be a huge push by non-ATS families. People should realize how much ATS screws the rest of us. They have no reason to be where they are. They are the easiest program to move. And they refuse to share in the over crowding. They cry they are already overcrowded and have like two trailers on that huge lot!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Option families (except ATS of course) are generally willing to accommodate trailers. Not ATS. They won't move or grow. Ever notice that they don't even post here. They spend their time with staff and SB. They have direct lines to get whatever they want.

First, I think they do post here. But why would they post on an anonymous forum to make change? Serious question. I post here (not ATS) because I hope to discuss, possibly persuade. But not to influence elected officials or staff. If I want to influence, I send emails, call, show up to meetings, speak at SB meetings, etc. Anyone can do the same. There's no magic to it. But you do have to be willing to speak publicly.

Anyway, not sure if you're keeping up, but they are going to have to grow. And since there's no money in the budget for additions, it will be with trailers. They inherited a small building. And the community rejected putting an addition on a few years ago, so we are where we are with capacity at that site. Would you prefer to move a bunch of neighborhood kids to a small building, and push them up to preferred utilization with many trailers and no hope of an addition?

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Anonymous wrote:If ATS went to McKinley, all the McKinley kids not going to Reed could fit in the old ATS building. So you decrease the neighborhood seats in NW with the least disruption.

ATS magically has 800 kids per year? You don't pull one of the largest elementary schools out of the densest part of the county to protect schools with smaller footprints.

Or McKinley kids could come to Ashlawn and the Ashlawn kids that are East of Harrison could go to the old ATS location.
I’m located between Ashlawn, McKinley and Reed, zoned for Ashlawn, my oldest starts in 2020. I don’t care which of those schools we end up at.