| Those who cut parents out of their lives should be aware they are setting an example for their children. Don't think for a moment they won't have grievances. |
OP's mother calling her a whore = "not perfect"; OP being upset about it = "incredibly judgmental"? ...that is crazy talk. |
Because keeping an abusive parent in your life is a great example to set for your children? You seem bitter. |
I'd bet her mom said she "looks like a whore." Guess what - a young woman with crazy piercings kind of does. Regardless there are two sides to every story. My husband doesn't get along with his parents and his recounts of what they said or did are often a little off from what really happened or was said. Not to mention parenting teenagers is hard, especially teenagers who run off and get piercings without parental permission. It sounds like OP had her own issues growing up and still does. I don't think letting your child know their piercing looks trashy warrants uninviting them from your wedding. Also wasn't this when she was 17? I assume that was at least 10 years ago. Also sounds like her mom has lightened up on teenagers wearing makeup. I'm an only child and my mom was strict about me wearing makeup in high school. Guarantee you if they had another daughter they would have loosened up a bit. Still doesn't seem like a good reason to not invite your mother to your wedding - because she was strict about wearing makeup?! We all have crazy stories from our childhood. I had a fairly good childhood but could tell stories that would make my parents sound awful and have everyone on here telling me to disown them. I'm sure my kids one day could do the same. I just think OP needs to lighten up a bit and move past some of this. She seems to have all kinds of issues and it's not getting her anywhere. She almost sounds to me like she's a lot like her mom. |
This isn't that awful of a thing to ask. I wish my mom had asked me this! I can't imagine even getting upset over my mom questioning something about my wedding. You seem like you take everything your mom says or does the wrong way. Can you talk more about the physical abuse? If this is truly the case then yes, you should cut her out of your life. But I find it weird you take the time to describe these random things your mom said (you're a whore for getting your ears pierced) and kind of gloss over how your mom apparently beat you up? This doesn't make sense. Again, my husband paints a similar picture of his childhood and will even casually mention his mom abused him. But then you press him for details and he can't really tell you what happened. I find it very hard to believe his mother actually beat him up. I'm kind of doubting yours did as well. But if she really did beat you - that is awful and you should be upset over this and not random comments about your wedding. |
| Will your dad and siblings come if mom is not invited? I imagine you want the rest of the family there (sine you mentioned going to Christmas to see them). How will you feel if dad and sibs don't come because mom makes a big deal about not being invited? Which matters more to you, seeing them nor not having her? I also have a horrible parent (not quite as bad as yours) and understand, but I know the other parent would never come with horrible one, so invitations for both always. |
Yeah, you're going to have to give consideration to this. How will you be able to have a relationship with your father/siblings if you don't allow your mother to come. Do you really think she's going to be okay with that and there won't be repercussions for them? I gently suggest you work on fortifying your defenses and ability to establish/maintain boundaries. So what if she's judgemental? So what if she thinks your fat and your dress is hideous? You're still giving her power over you. You need to work on that. Also, I know your dad called you 3 years ago and apologized for not taking your side and not recognizing how bad it was for you. When you have kids and they get to the age you were when you remember the abuse, you may need to haul yourself back to therapy. Many of us are re-traumatized and struggle with inaction of the non-abusive parent. Just a seed. Good luck. |
| Why don't you pay for the wedding and see if your dad will give you the wedding money when you are ready to get a house? |
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If you uninvited your mom, your dad won't be able to come either. do you want no parents at your wedding? It would be an impossible choice and a bad spot to put him in to invite just him. Do you want him to "choose you" over your mom to get revenge for your mom choosing your siblings? He won't because he has to go home and live with your mom.
It sounds from the stories that your mom learned her lesson and lightened up for your siblings and you really resent that. But honestly, that's normal. I was stricter with certain things for my first child because experience teaches you a lot about what hill to die on when it comes to kids, and you let some things go with the subsequent kids. frankly if she is this much in your head you need to just elope. |
As a beginning aside, that's pretty awful that you don't believe your own husband's account of his childhood. My guess is that you have some sort of defensive need to project disbelief on other people's stories about bad childhoods. I wonder why that is. Anyway, I think I fully understand why OP told those stories about the piercing and the makeup, and may have left out details about physical abuse (although it's unclear if this OP actually ever said she suffered from physical abuse -- that was taken from a different thread). First of all, being called a "whore" by your mother is a huge deal in and of itself, and bespeaks an out-of-control and cruel parent. But even more than that, the fact that this parent then did a 180 and allowed the piercing and makeup for a sibling is the mindfuck that is characteristic of dealing with this kind of narcissist/BPD person. I'll bet that when OP asked her mother about why her sister was allowed to get the piercing and wear making, the mother made a HUGE deal denying that she had ever called her a whore or scrubbed off the eyeliner, or else had some sort of elaborate story about why OP deserved it and her sister did not. That's really the toxic part of these kind of people: they treat you abusively and then try to convince you it was your fault or that it never happened, and make you doubt your own sense of reality. OP, if you invite this woman to your wedding she will make a huge scene, there's no doubt. If you uninvite her she'll make your life miserable and probably defame you to all your relatives. So really, you should elope, and then cut off your mother in a more calm and supported way. |
+1 PP seems VERY invested in denying/downplaying abuse. I can't imagine how I would feel if my parent had ever called me a whore or told me I looked like a whore - even if said in anger, that is nasty and cruel. The parent should be the adult in the situation! |
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OP here- I'll just explain everything better here instead of responding to individual posts.
Yes; she was physically abusive. It started around 14 and was the worst around 15-16. She would get angry with me about the littlest things- not vacuuming when I said I would, having my music too loud in my room, etc. I remember when I was 15, I got mad at her for not letting me go to a friends house so as a typical teenager, I went to my room and slammed the door. She came slamming into the room after, screaming in my face. I told her to get out of my face and she grabbed me by the arms and shoved me against the closet door and in exact words said "have fun being grounded all weekend you fat fuck". That is etched in my brain forever. Another time she came in and threw a glass full of water at my head. It shattered on my wall and got all over my bed. Another time she hit me repeatedly with a belt, all over my body. I had welts everywhere. The last thing I remembered around 16 was her punching me in the throat. So no, I did not make these things up. I had a journal as a teenager and I still have it. I brought it with me to a therapy appt last year so he could read it over. I went into many details about what she did and why she was mad at me or angry at the time and it was all petty stuff such as me not cleaning or I got a 78 on a test. When I was 16, I had a friend who lived in the same neighborhood who's dad was the local town cop and after she left welts on me, I ran to her house. Her dad called one of the other cops to come over and he took pictures of the marks on my body and wrote down what happened. He then went over to my parents house to get my moms side and she made up a story and the cop ended up saying "sometimes moms and daughters fight".....so yeah. I truly hate her. I don't care if some of you think I'm dramatic or whatever but it's true. My childhood was miserable because of her. She treated me like absolute shit and there were so many times I wanted to end my life because of her. She constantly made me feel like such a low life worthless piece of shit she made it clear that I was never going to be good enough for her. Once my sister was born when I was 13, she was my moms "do over child". I grew up constantly watching my mom hug and kiss her and constantly say I love you to her when I couldn't even remember the last time she told me she loved me. I was a "whore" for getting my ear pierced. I was trashy for wearing eyeliner. That's what she would tell me. My 16 year old sister wears full faces of makeup and has 3 piercings in each ear and that's okay to my mom. Yes, I'm sure she's "softened" a bit now but still. It doesn't mean I forgot all the things she would say to me when I was my sisters age and yes, it does bother me that she doesn't care that my sister does those things and she's "not a whore" for it but at the same time, I'm glad she doesn't have to deal with that because she gets to have a good childhood and not have to wonder why her mother clearly hates her so much. |
I don't believe him because he's exaggerated and made up similar stories about me. He told someone I beat him up and I never have. |
| Op again- i had flat out asked my dad if he would still come if I didn't have her there and he said he would. Him and my siblings would be their either way but it would make things difficult for him. However, they don't even have the best relationship and I truly feel bad for my dad. He was going to divorce her back in 2013 but she convinced him to make it work. He's miserable in his marriage but sticks it out for my siblings. He knows how I feel towards her and he knows that it's because of the things she's said and done to me so he would support me either way but I know he'd prefer for me to just suck it up and have her there so it'll make things easier. |
Sounds like you should elope so you don't focus so much on your mom. You don't want your mom affecting your big day and I can see how it would be hard to not have her do so. |