$14k net HHI - Budget Input

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So how much total debt are you in?

Student loans?
Cars?
Investment property?
Mortgage?
Others?


Not concerned about debt as all are at low interest rates

Student loans? $6k left (originally $38k)
Cars? $13k on audi, other car is leased
Investment property? $300k mortgage, $430k current value. DH had this property before I met him (lived there) and was only paying interest for years so has taken a while to get into the principal.
Mortgage? $550k mortgage, $750k current value (purchased at $650k)


What are your assets?

Retirement savings?
College fund?
Emergency fund?
Other investments?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The cars alone are clearly a problem. What's the story there?


2011 Audi A5 - Close to being paid off ($500 per month)
2015 Mercedes SUV - $700 per month

Does seem like a waste of money once I see the total on paper...


Hope you're planning to drive that Auidi until the wheels fall off. And go trade in the Mercedes SUV. You have no business driving those cars when you're not even maxing out your retirement. You guys are all flash, no cash. How much is left on the student loans?


+1

Big hat, no cattle.

There is a huge loss of opportunity here, OP. At your ages you could be socking away a lot and still living very comfortably, so that you don't have to work forever.
Anonymous
^^^Also - have you not started saving for college? Because you will definitely not get financial aid.

Do you want your child to be burdened with lots of student loans because you felt the need to drive those cars and use Hello Fresh?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We are struggling to not overspend each month on a take home HHI of $14k per month (after retirement/taxes). I feel like (i know) this is ridiculous, so I'm looking for input from those with similar incomes on where we are spending more than average. And would also love to know how you cut back to spend less in those areas.

The way our average spending is coming in now we're in the hole about $600 more than we take in each month without savings (other than automatic to retirement), travel and any unexpected expenses. So something has to give. Obviously I know we could cut out things like the house cleaner that are optional. But I feel there must be other areas we're spending more than the norm we need to cut back on to get things under control.

Here is our average monthly spending by category - What looks out of whack to you with HHI of $14k per month?

Nanny/PT Preschool for one child - $3k per month
Mortgage - $3100 per month
HOA Fee - $200 per month
Investment Property - $750 per month (what rent doesn't cover)
Home Insurance - $125 per month
Car Payments - $1200 per month (2 cars)
Car Insurance - $110 per month (2 cars)
Gas - $200 per month
Tolls - $35 per month
Groceries - $1k per month, family of 3 plus nanny (weekdays breakfast & lunch for her). Includes wine/beer and hello fresh for weeknight meals
Restaurants/Take Out - $500 per month (normally one 'nice' date night dinner and the rest inexpensive)
Home Supplies - $650 per month (all the basics like toilet paper, paper towels, cat food/litter, shampoo, OTC meds, cosmetics, diapers, baby supplies, blah blah)
Student Loans - $350 per month
Personal Care - $350 per month (hair cuts/color, waxing, nails)
House Cleaner - $300 per month
Lawn Care - $135 per month
Shopping (Clothing/Accessories/Home Decor) - $500 per month
Gifts - $200 per month
Work Lunch - $150 per month
Entertaining - $200 per month (having guests over/parties)
Kid's Activities/Lessons - $200 per month (swim class, music class, outings)
Doctor/Dentist - $150 per month
Pharmacy/Medications - $100 per month
Water Bill - $100 ($300 every 3 months)
Gas Bill - $140 (in winter, much less in summer months)
Electric Bill - $200
Cell Phones - $200
Pets - $100 earmarked per month for vet visits, meds etc every few months
Entertainment - $150 per month (going out for drinks/movies/etc)
Cash - $200
TOTAL ~ $14,600

The investment property seems like an obvious thing to cut but Husband wants to keep the investment property as we should be able to refinance that and charge more rent to have that monthly cost go away in the very near future. And all of that $$ we're paying is going towards principal on the mortgage for that property, and it's in a great location in arlington so will hold/increase value.


We bring in around $13k net after maxing retirement, so I fit the bill of people you're looking for responses from. The things that are out of whack, IMO, are bolded above.

The good news is, your mortgage is really a good amount for your income, and you make enough to cover almost anything you could want in life. But not everything-everything, which is where you seem to be running into problems. I know some people really like cars, but maybe cut back to one awesome car and one perfectly reasonable Honda/Toyota/not-luxury-boat? $1200/month on car notes is the craziest thing in your budget, as far as I can tell. You're spending a heck of a lot on take-out/restaurants for people who pay for HelloFresh for weeknight meals -- can you cut back to going out half as much? Additionally, you've got $1100/month earmarked as what amounts to "miscellaneous". You're not spending $650/month on toilet paper and soap, I promise. Nor do you need $500/month of home décor and clothes. This is going to be the easiest place for you to cut: instead of buying whatever catches your eye (no judgment; I've been there myself), consider putting it in your cart and switching to another screen. If you come back to it a couple of hours/days later and still feel like you want to make the purchase, go for it. Also, check your email because the store has probably sent a coupon to entice you into buying it. But much, much, much more often than you might believe, you will no longer care about whatever it is. Putting things on wishlists instead of buying when the urge strikes saves me thousands a month.

Your medical bills seem pretty high to me, but the fact that your prescription meds have a line item makes me think that might not be somewhere you can make changes.
Anonymous
I echo a lot of PPs about the waste that is in your monthly expenses - and the "$200 cash" is just icing on the cake - so I won't repeat.

I do want to suggest bringing down the mortgage payment (I didn't see anyone suggest this) and consider re-financing. Do your homework/shop around and keep an eye out on the interest rates.

All the other wastefulness makes me cringe.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are struggling to not overspend each month on a take home HHI of $14k per month (after retirement/taxes). I feel like (i know) this is ridiculous, so I'm looking for input from those with similar incomes on where we are spending more than average. And would also love to know how you cut back to spend less in those areas.

The way our average spending is coming in now we're in the hole about $600 more than we take in each month without savings (other than automatic to retirement), travel and any unexpected expenses. So something has to give. Obviously I know we could cut out things like the house cleaner that are optional. But I feel there must be other areas we're spending more than the norm we need to cut back on to get things under control.

Here is our average monthly spending by category - What looks out of whack to you with HHI of $14k per month?

Nanny/PT Preschool for one child - $3k per month
Mortgage - $3100 per month
HOA Fee - $200 per month
Investment Property - $750 per month (what rent doesn't cover)
Home Insurance - $125 per month
Car Payments - $1200 per month (2 cars)
Car Insurance - $110 per month (2 cars)
Gas - $200 per month
Tolls - $35 per month
Groceries - $1k per month, family of 3 plus nanny (weekdays breakfast & lunch for her). Includes wine/beer and hello fresh for weeknight meals
Restaurants/Take Out - $500 per month (normally one 'nice' date night dinner and the rest inexpensive)
Home Supplies - $650 per month (all the basics like toilet paper, paper towels, cat food/litter, shampoo, OTC meds, cosmetics, diapers, baby supplies, blah blah)
Student Loans - $350 per month
Personal Care - $350 per month (hair cuts/color, waxing, nails)
House Cleaner - $300 per month
Lawn Care - $135 per month
Shopping (Clothing/Accessories/Home Decor) - $500 per month
Gifts - $200 per month
Work Lunch - $150 per month
Entertaining - $200 per month (having guests over/parties)
Kid's Activities/Lessons - $200 per month (swim class, music class, outings)
Doctor/Dentist - $150 per month
Pharmacy/Medications - $100 per month
Water Bill - $100 ($300 every 3 months)
Gas Bill - $140 (in winter, much less in summer months)
Electric Bill - $200
Cell Phones - $200
Pets - $100 earmarked per month for vet visits, meds etc every few months
Entertainment - $150 per month (going out for drinks/movies/etc)
Cash - $200
TOTAL ~ $14,600

The investment property seems like an obvious thing to cut but Husband wants to keep the investment property as we should be able to refinance that and charge more rent to have that monthly cost go away in the very near future. And all of that $$ we're paying is going towards principal on the mortgage for that property, and it's in a great location in arlington so will hold/increase value.


We bring in around $13k net after maxing retirement, so I fit the bill of people you're looking for responses from. The things that are out of whack, IMO, are bolded above.

The good news is, your mortgage is really a good amount for your income, and you make enough to cover almost anything you could want in life. But not everything-everything, which is where you seem to be running into problems. I know some people really like cars, but maybe cut back to one awesome car and one perfectly reasonable Honda/Toyota/not-luxury-boat? $1200/month on car notes is the craziest thing in your budget, as far as I can tell. You're spending a heck of a lot on take-out/restaurants for people who pay for HelloFresh for weeknight meals -- can you cut back to going out half as much? Additionally, you've got $1100/month earmarked as what amounts to "miscellaneous". You're not spending $650/month on toilet paper and soap, I promise. Nor do you need $500/month of home décor and clothes. This is going to be the easiest place for you to cut: instead of buying whatever catches your eye (no judgment; I've been there myself), consider putting it in your cart and switching to another screen. If you come back to it a couple of hours/days later and still feel like you want to make the purchase, go for it. Also, check your email because the store has probably sent a coupon to entice you into buying it. But much, much, much more often than you might believe, you will no longer care about whatever it is. Putting things on wishlists instead of buying when the urge strikes saves me thousands a month.

Your medical bills seem pretty high to me, but the fact that your prescription meds have a line item makes me think that might not be somewhere you can make changes.


This is great feedback - thank you. Appreciate your time and tips. Helpful to hear feedback from someone with a similar income.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We are struggling to not overspend each month on a take home HHI of $14k per month (after retirement/taxes). I feel like (i know) this is ridiculous, so I'm looking for input from those with similar incomes on where we are spending more than average. And would also love to know how you cut back to spend less in those areas.

The way our average spending is coming in now we're in the hole about $600 more than we take in each month without savings (other than automatic to retirement), travel and any unexpected expenses. So something has to give. Obviously I know we could cut out things like the house cleaner that are optional. But I feel there must be other areas we're spending more than the norm we need to cut back on to get things under control.

Here is our average monthly spending by category - What looks out of whack to you with HHI of $14k per month?

Nanny/PT Preschool for one child - $3k per month - This is high, could cut the PT preschool for now. Also, could look into daycare though I understand if you prefer to keep nanny.
Mortgage - $3100 per month - ok
HOA Fee - $200 per month - ok
Investment Property - $750 per month (what rent doesn't cover) - This is not an investment. This is a moneypit. Why keep it if you can't cover cash flow costs? If refinancing and charging more rent are real options, why haven't you already done so?
Home Insurance - $125 per month - ok
Car Payments - $1200 per month (2 cars) - This line is very high.
Car Insurance - $110 per month (2 cars) - ok, goes with expensive cars
Gas - $200 per month - ok
Tolls - $35 per month - ok
Groceries - $1k per month, family of 3 plus nanny (weekdays breakfast & lunch for her). Includes wine/beer and hello fresh for weeknight meals
Restaurants/Take Out - $500 per month (normally one 'nice' date night dinner and the rest inexpensive)
Home Supplies - $650 per month (all the basics like toilet paper, paper towels, cat food/litter, shampoo, OTC meds, cosmetics, diapers, baby supplies, blah blah)
- These three together are very slushy. You should figure out what you're actually spending the money on.
Student Loans - $350 per month - ok
Personal Care - $350 per month (hair cuts/color, waxing, nails) - This seems pretty high. How often are you getting your hair/nails/etc done?
House Cleaner - $300 per month - obv a luxury, but not crazy
Lawn Care - $135 per month - don't know going cost for this
Shopping (Clothing/Accessories/Home Decor) - $500 per month - Seems high.
Gifts - $200 per month - Who are you buying all these presents for? This annualizes to $2,400 per year.
Work Lunch - $150 per month - another indulgence, but not actually that bad
Entertaining - $200 per month (having guests over/parties) - ok, if this has it's own line item, what are all the grocery and household items above spent on?
Kid's Activities/Lessons - $200 per month (swim class, music class, outings) - Cut them, unless it's something that you personally really enjoy
Doctor/Dentist - $150 per month - ok, though not sure why so high if you have insurance
Pharmacy/Medications - $100 per month - ok
Water Bill - $100 ($300 every 3 months) - ok
Gas Bill - $140 (in winter, much less in summer months)
Electric Bill - $200
- The combination of these seems high. Electric should be lower if heat is through gas, but I don't know how big your house is.
Cell Phones - $200 - could be a little lower, but whatever
Pets - $100 earmarked per month for vet visits, meds etc every few months - ok
Entertainment - $150 per month (going out for drinks/movies/etc) - ok, though again another food line
Cash - $200- slushy, what is this?
TOTAL ~ $14,600

The investment property seems like an obvious thing to cut but Husband wants to keep the investment property as we should be able to refinance that and charge more rent to have that monthly cost go away in the very near future. And all of that $$ we're paying is going towards principal on the mortgage for that property, and it's in a great location in arlington so will hold/increase value.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:^^^Also - have you not started saving for college? Because you will definitely not get financial aid.

Do you want your child to be burdened with lots of student loans because you felt the need to drive those cars and use Hello Fresh?


There's a lot to go after here, but Hello Fresh costs about the same as takeout. It's not really an excessive luxury, especially at their income level. That's not even remotely their big problem.
Anonymous
What does this work out to be as gross income?

Just curious.
Anonymous
Your grocery/food budget is the most obvious issue to me. $1000 a month, but not including eating out, entertaining, or normal household supplies?? That's crazy! I have an 18 month old and spend about $750 a month on all of those items combined. I buy my lunch about half of the week, and eat out for dinner once or twice a week. I don't even try to use coupons or read sales newspapers, but if I did I'm sure I could save another $100. But your hellofresh delivery on hold and evaluate the rest of your food shopping habits. Does your nanny cook or can she follow recipes? Try having her prep your dinners once a week. Or make casseroles and ask her to put them in the oven before you get home.

The rest of your budget is a little troubling, but this is the easiest place to cut back.
Anonymous
Good lord. You spend more on "personal care" than you do your cleaners!

Sweet jesus. If you can't see what is out of whack here you are really, really spoiled.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What does this work out to be as gross income?

Just curious.


OP here- Our base without bonuses is $280k, works out to ~ $14k after retirement/taxes/etc
Anonymous
You're spending $3,000 per year on medical expenses. You should be running all of that through an FSA. It will save you about $1,000.

Your non-essential expenses are entirely too high for your income.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^^^Also - have you not started saving for college? Because you will definitely not get financial aid.

Do you want your child to be burdened with lots of student loans because you felt the need to drive those cars and use Hello Fresh?


There's a lot to go after here, but Hello Fresh costs about the same as takeout. It's not really an excessive luxury, especially at their income level. That's not even remotely their big problem.


But it doesn't cost the same as groceries. Hell, it *is* groceries, because they still have to cook. Expensive, unnecessary groceries.
Anonymous
I suggest getting rid of the nanny and just put the DC in full-time daycare/preschool.

We are at one of the more expensive preschools and we pay $1700/month for full time care (compared to the $3k you're spending on nanny plus p/t preschool.
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