This! What kid (or adult, for that matter) can't pick up an iPad and figure out what to do with it? Or, if not, how long does it take to show them. It's made to be intuitive. That's not real 'coding'. Kids in K-3 would be better served actually WRITING books and drawing pictures on paper. |
I'm the PP you responded to. Sorry, I wasn't totally clear. Actually our ES has terrible controls. They are non-existent. Kids are messaging each other on their Chromebooks - which doesn't bother me a ton, because it seems like when we used to pass notes in class. But, the access to unfiltered websites definitely bothers me! Kids in 4th and 5th grade are absolutely searching for inappropriate material online, and it's impossible for the teacher to monitor all the screens. I can see allowing Computer Lab once a week for K-3, but Chromebooks in 2nd grade are completely NOT necessary. Plus, MCPS already has budget issues. An increase in the number of Chromebooks would seem to mean that they'll need to hire more staff for tech support, which takes away money from hiring more teachers. |
Well that burst my bubble. I was hoping that there was a utopian experience happening somewhere so that we could push, pull and prod Alexandria into copying it. Chrome Books for MS has been a disaster for us but the school system refuses to yield their position because they don't want to lose face. There are a lot of egos in the way. The stories my child tells me about the porn and violent videos and disgusting song lyrics that kids are downloading every day in her MS are appalling. |
Exactly. I didn't get an iPad till I was 35 (because they didn't exist till then) and yet somehow, magically, despite not having started in kindergarten, I caught on. |
You're a STEM person, so I guess I'm not surprised by your binary thinking. I will let that go. I didn't say they made her tech savvy, did I? Show me where I said that. I said the iPad was an incredible tool that enhanced other learning experiences. She made a film. She wrote a book. She did multimedia projects. Yeah, she did some coding, but I realize that's rudimentary. Could she have written the book by hand? Sure. But, it's not like that's inherently virtuous. In this case, writing the book on the screen then turned into presenting the book to parents and peers at book fair. The stream project involved photographs and video of flora that augmented her written descriptions. It's a TOOL. I use my device all the time at work -- presentations, photographs of white boards, animated videos (I'm in marketing and communications). This isn't about being "tech savvy" in a STEM sense. Sheesh. |
Binary thinker. Did that pop up recently on your word-of-the-day calendar? Seems like you really like that expression. As I said in my post, I agree that it can be a useful tool in the right circumstances, but I disagree that it's "critical" for Kindergarteners to understand how to use an iPad. Referring to your comment bolded above. There is plenty of time to learn how to use it as a tool (plus, frankly, it's really not that hard to pick up). In Kindergarten, there are many, many other more valuable skills that the children should be learning. Even Steve Jobs agreed: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/fashion/steve-jobs-apple-was-a-low-tech-parent.html |
Unfortunately this has been our exact experience in our MCPS MS. Sounds like a universal issue. Though if there is anyone whose MS seems to handle this better, I'd love to hear from them. I can tolerate the nudity, but the violent content bothers me most of all. Shouldn't be an issue at all, but absolutely should not be something that the kids can pull up on the school sponsored Chromebooks. |
Our FCPS ES has no iPads. The student:computer ratio is 3:1, so screen time is limited due to scarcity. |
And yet, Apple keeps giving Jamestown awards for its integration of technology into the classroom. How about that? And, yes, you seem very binary. That's OK -- kind of goes with the territory for coders/STEM people. You stick to creating the devices and we creative types will create the content with them. That's the new world we live in. |
+1 iPads in kindergarten are just a way to kill time. Kids aren't learning anything on them. |
I'm not the PP you are responding to, but are you really THAT naive?? Apple is a huge corporation that doesn't give a rat's ass about your kids. Apple cares about making money and getting its products everywhere and anywhere it can. Apple cares about its shareholders way more than it cares about your kids. They give these awards to encourage more school systems to use their products. It's basic marketing and good business strategy. How about that? There is minimal benefit (or no benefit, arguably) to your kid, but a huge amount of benefit to Apple. They get the next generation of kids hooked on their products. Their parents buy Apple products because the kids are using them in school. |
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Oh, the hypocracy. Families let their kids use devices at home, on car trips, in the malls, at restaurants, at the pediatrician, while they shop in the grocery store, etc. and then complain when they are used in school.
Our family doesn't have an iPad, we dont have video games, we don't let our kids play on our phones IN PART because we know that they spend time on screens in school (and they would in ANY SCHOOL.) |
Actually, Apple (and many other tech companies) also care about the talent pipeline. So, no, I'm not naive. But you sure are cynical. |
First, it's "hypocrisy." Second, I seriously doubt the people complaining about iPads in school allow their kids to use devices the way you suggest. In my experience, the anti-tech brigade tend to be Luddites through and through. |
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Who here remembers the days of getting to go to the computer lab on Fridays to play the Oregon Trail?
The games they're playing and much more educational than what I ever played in ES, that's for sure. We don't limit screen time as I find limiting things makes them automatically desired for being forbidden. Neither kid is obsessed with their devices, either. We teach balance and responsibility instead. My DS had a friend that only asked to come play so he could play games at our house after his screen time at home was up. He was allowed 1 hour of screen time/video games when at a friend's house and his mom made sure it was strictly enforced. But I had no trouble enforcing it because as soon as the hour was up, he was gone. On to the next house to play for another hour. This went on for a few weeks before I finally told his mom what he was doing and that if he wanted to play with my son, he needed to actually play with him, not just use him for 60 more minutes of video games. Redic. |