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W parent here again, the PP could be describing our school with the parent participation portion. Spot on from these eyes.
I think what it is that gets lost in these conversations (that don't always stay healthy conversations) is that no decent person thinks poor people are any less of a person or that the percentage of poor decent people is any less than the percentage of decent affluent people (the opposite more often than not). It is the comparison of the apples and oranges problems that the different demographics faces and bring with them. If a school is structured to handle one it might not be best suited for the others and vise versa. It is finding the right situation for your family that is the trick and different does not equal better or worse. |
This is spot on and accurately reflects my experiences as well. I wonder if we work at the same school, actually. |
I'm the 21:55 poster and your post accurately describes much of what I would say I dislike about our Focus Achool. I have become friendly with several of my kids' teachers over the years and one of their frustrations is that often times, for parent-teacher conferences, parents just don't show up (after they have already prepped for them) or they come late or they don't speak English (which is fine, but it's not always feasible to have someone on hand to translate if it's not at the appointed time). Thank you for this discussion, BTW. |
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PP again, I'll add that at our Focus School, the teachers definitely have to pay for the prizes for the PBIS. I know that to be the case for certain.
At our Focus School, no programs like Read Naturally, Reading A-Z or typing. That is a huge beef of mine. At my friends' schools, the kids can practice typing in 'Typing Centers' but we have never ever had access to a Typing Program through the school. |
| Our focus school isn't hurting for parent volunteers. PTA similarly has lots of involved parents and a dozen different committee which at least to me tend toward a bit silly... |
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My child goes to a focus school. I think a lot of interesting insight has already been covered. One point I want to touch on is the trouble we have in reaching out to other families. There is no school directory. They tried to do one last year and we were the only people who submitted contact information for the class. So for example birthday party invitations are a logistical challenge. I want to set up play dates for my child with his friends but I have run into a couple problems. One is that some of the parents don't seem receptive to them and the other issue is the awkwardness of having an initial conversation with another parent about things such as (no violent movies with curse words and do you have a gun and if so is it unloaded and locked up)
I had to tell my child that he couldn't go to someone's house because they wanted to watch The Purge which is a horror movie. My son is 6! |
I'm the teacher you responded to and parent conferences are a whole other ball of wax. We have a committee of teachers who meet in October and stay at school until after 9pm to schedule parent conferences. Before the meeting we send home a form to ask preferences for which day and time of day and whether an interpreter is needed. We secure our half day interpreter provided by the county months in advance, and then secure other school staff who volunteer to interpret for hours each day. When we schedule conferences, we schedule the entire school at once. We make sure we schedule parents for the date they requested and the general time they requested. We take siblings into account and schedule the sibling conferences back to back but with a 15 minute break between each conference for parents to get from one room to the other. After conference appointment forms have been sent home then any changes necessary have to be made through the office, as any one change has a domino effect on the schedule. Conferences run from 8am to 8pm on both days. Teachers prepare for every conference, and for me the number of no shows unfortunately outnumbered the number of parents who attended this year. Of course my 7:45pm was a no show . Admin makes you hold the conference even if the parent was a no show, so then you have to spend the days following the parent conference days calling and emailing to try to schedule a make-up conference. I actually don't mind if parents come late because at least they come and if they're willing to wait a little while then it's pretty likely I'll have a no show pretty soon and we can do it in that slot as long as they don't need an interpreter.
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I'm the 21:55 poster and your post accurately describes much of what I would say I dislike about our Focus Achool. I have become friendly with several of my kids' teachers over the years and one of their frustrations is that often times, for parent-teacher conferences, parents just don't show up (after they have already prepped for them) or they come late or they don't speak English (which is fine, but it's not always feasible to have someone on hand to translate if it's not at the appointed time). Thank you for this discussion, BTW. I'm the teacher you responded to and parent conferences are a whole other ball of wax. We have a committee of teachers who meet in October and stay at school until after 9pm to schedule parent conferences. Before the meeting we send home a form to ask preferences for which day and time of day and whether an interpreter is needed. We secure our half day interpreter provided by the county months in advance, and then secure other school staff who volunteer to interpret for hours each day. When we schedule conferences, we schedule the entire school at once. We make sure we schedule parents for the date they requested and the general time they requested. We take siblings into account and schedule the sibling conferences back to back but with a 15 minute break between each conference for parents to get from one room to the other. After conference appointment forms have been sent home then any changes necessary have to be made through the office, as any one change has a domino effect on the schedule. Conferences run from 8am to 8pm on both days. Teachers prepare for every conference, and for me the number of no shows unfortunately outnumbered the number of parents who attended this year. Of course my 7:45pm was a no show . Admin makes you hold the conference even if the parent was a no show, so then you have to spend the days following the parent conference days calling and emailing to try to schedule a make-up conference. I actually don't mind if parents come late because at least they come and if they're willing to wait a little while then it's pretty likely I'll have a no show pretty soon and we can do it in that slot as long as they don't need an interpreter.
We canceled our conference and rescheduled. Teacher canceled the rescheduled one and said there was no need to have one. Every school is very different. |
This is interesting because we've had similar issues! In first grade, DS wanted to go over to a friends' house to watch Fast and Furious 7 (or one of those?). The kid had already watched it a few times with his dad! |
I'm the PP - should have said that we are at a Focus School and we definitely do find that some parents do seem to be more lenient as far as movies/TV at a younger age. |
I work in healthcare, and anyone who works in a healthcare setting where the providers accept Medicaid understands that there is a whole series of issues that comes along with accepting these patients - high no show rate being one of the main ones. It's frustrating for us, and I can imagine it being incredibly frustrating for teachers. It's fine if it happens occasionally, but if it happens with the majority of the parents, it starts to grate on you and affects morale. Though, on the flip side, I also have friends who teach at wealthier schools who complain about 'entitled' parents. So, always pros and cons like another poster commented. |
A directory could be intimidating to people who are residency insecure be they poor, illegal, staying with others, not really IB or just embarrassed by a small subsadized apt. |
Right, nobody is blaming those people for not participating, but you can't pretend that issues like that don't have an impact on the school community. |
This. It's understandable if families feel that way, but it's also understandable to realize that it leads to a vastly decreased sense of community. We are at a Focus school and have noticed the same thing. We do have a directory but about half the class each year is not in it. |
Flora Singer has a fantastic reputation. |