Define "fiscally conservative, but socially progressive"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother. Doesn't care about other people's sex lives. But doesn't want to pay taxes.

He is a government employee!

And he doesn't connect the two, does he?

And did he vote for Trump?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother. Doesn't care about other people's sex lives. But doesn't want to pay taxes.

He is a government employee!

And he doesn't connect the two, does he?

And did he vote for Trump?

This isn't your brother by any chance?

[Anonymous]

Fiscally conservative = lower my taxes and only use them to pay for things that directly benefit me.

Socially progressive = educated and not religious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means they don't get worked up over things like gay marriage or right to abortion or things like that because it doesn't really matter to them and they are mostly concerned with the government's responsibility to maintain a low amount of debt (or lower the debt) and control spending in bloating or unnecessary areas. Frankly, they are preferable to the ones who want sweeping legislation over people's rights to healthcare choices or partnership based on their own religious beliefs.

I get that. But what I've observed is that they tend to want cuts to the social programs that don't affect them: don't cut SS and Medicare; instead, cut food stamps, TANF and subsidized housing.

I don't think that's universally true. My DH falls into the "fiscal conservative, social progressive" camp, and thinks the current crop of Republicans are a joke for not addressing Medicare/SS/Defense spending whenever then go on a budget cut spree. He was against the Bush tax cuts and Iraq War, but was also against Obamacare because he thought it would cost too much (ditto for most of Bernie Sanders' proposals). Now he's shaking his head at Trump for wanting to increase Defense spending again while cutting taxes.

[Anonymous]

It means they are a Republican and want to act like they're ok nonetheless

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means they don't get worked up over things like gay marriage or right to abortion or things like that because it doesn't really matter to them and they are mostly concerned with the government's responsibility to maintain a low amount of debt (or lower the debt) and control spending in bloating or unnecessary areas. Frankly, they are preferable to the ones who want sweeping legislation over people's rights to healthcare choices or partnership based on their own religious beliefs.

I get that. But what I've observed is that they tend to want cuts to the social programs that don't affect them: don't cut SS and Medicare; instead, cut food stamps, TANF and subsidized housing.

I don't think that's universally true. My DH falls into the "fiscal conservative, social progressive" camp, and thinks the current crop of Republicans are a joke for not addressing Medicare/SS/Defense spending whenever then go on a budget cut spree. He was against the Bush tax cuts and Iraq War, but was also against Obamacare because he thought it would cost too much (ditto for most of Bernie Sanders' proposals). Now he's shaking his head at Trump for wanting to increase Defense spending again while cutting taxes.

Seems to me like the current crop is, if anything, more serious about deficits than any other crop of GOP before. Which is not to say very much, given they only worry about it when Democrats are in charge, but still some are more concerned than usual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would describe myself this way. Another term would be "Rockefeller republican", with the idea being that one needs to invest in U.S. infrastructure writ large (i.e., actual roads, public transportation, telecoms, environmental protection, work with labor, education, schools, etc.) and protect U.S. interests overseas - to include business ones (i.e., level playing field, protection of trade routes, etc.). But then, with appropriate regulation and investment, let the market work. And, as pp pointed out, not concerned about who is sleeping with whom and so forth.

So you're a Democrat.

[Anonymous]

I'm fiscally conservative: Stop spending money, stop asking for more than you have. Stop being profligate with spending in a way that real people with real bank accounts cannot do.

What if I told my mortgage banker: "I can't pay, I need more money."

Stop being so insanely irresponsible with money. That's what "Fiscal Conservative" means.

As for socially liberal, as long as it's not my husband or my daughter or my dog, you can f*ck whomever you want. Not my business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm fiscally conservative: Stop spending money, stop asking for more than you have. Stop being profligate with spending in a way that real people with real bank accounts cannot do.

What if I told my mortgage banker: "I can't pay, I need more money."

Stop being so insanely irresponsible with money. That's what "Fiscal Conservative" means.

As for socially liberal, as long as it's not my husband or my daughter or my dog, you can f*ck whomever you want. Not my business.

And if someone's going hungry or needs medical care but can't afford it? If they are disabled or mentally ill or homeless or elderly? Where does the "socially liberal" part come in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm fiscally conservative: Stop spending money, stop asking for more than you have. Stop being profligate with spending in a way that real people with real bank accounts cannot do.

What if I told my mortgage banker: "I can't pay, I need more money."

Stop being so insanely irresponsible with money. That's what "Fiscal Conservative" means.

As for socially liberal, as long as it's not my husband or my daughter or my dog, you can f*ck whomever you want. Not my business.

And if someone's going hungry or needs medical care but can't afford it? If they are disabled or mentally ill or homeless or elderly? Where does the "socially liberal" part come in?

Charity and the already bloated welfare state. Charity can expand. Welfare state needn't. There's no dignity in handouts.

[Anonymous]

I'm in this category. I always vote Republican. I don't care much about gay rights or abortion. I think everyone should be able to make their own decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm in this category. I always vote Republican. I don't care much about gay rights or abortion. I think everyone should be able to make their own decisions.

And yet you vote for candidates like Mike Pence who spend most of their time patrolling what happens inside women's vaginas and people's bedrooms.

Let me guess: You're a white guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm fiscally conservative: Stop spending money, stop asking for more than you have. Stop being profligate with spending in a way that real people with real bank accounts cannot do.

What if I told my mortgage banker: "I can't pay, I need more money."

Stop being so insanely irresponsible with money. That's what "Fiscal Conservative" means.

As for socially liberal, as long as it's not my husband or my daughter or my dog, you can f*ck whomever you want. Not my business.

And if someone's going hungry or needs medical care but can't afford it? If they are disabled or mentally ill or homeless or elderly? Where does the "socially liberal" part come in?

Charity and the already bloated welfare state. Charity can expand. Welfare state needn't. There's no dignity in handouts.

False. Charity dolesn't expand and hasn't expanded. Plus, charity picks and chooses which people they serve. Many Christian charities for example will only help their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm in this category. I always vote Republican. I don't care much about gay rights or abortion. I think everyone should be able to make their own decisions.

And yet you vote for candidates like Mike Pence who spend most of their time patrolling what happens inside women's vaginas and people's bedrooms.

Let me guess: You're a white guy.

Worse yet Pence believes in barbarically wrong practices like "conversion therapy" where they think you can electroshock the gay out of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means they don't get worked up over things like gay marriage or right to abortion or things like that because it doesn't really matter to them and they are mostly concerned with the government's responsibility to maintain a low amount of debt (or lower the debt) and control spending in bloating or unnecessary areas. Frankly, they are preferable to the ones who want sweeping legislation over people's rights to healthcare choices or partnership based on their own religious beliefs.

I get that. But what I've observed is that they tend to want cuts to the social programs that don't affect them: don't cut SS and Medicare; instead, cut food stamps, TANF and subsidized housing.

I don't think that's universally true. My DH falls into the "fiscal conservative, social progressive" camp, and thinks the current crop of Republicans are a joke for not addressing Medicare/SS/Defense spending whenever then go on a budget cut spree. He was against the Bush tax cuts and Iraq War, but was also against Obamacare because he thought it would cost too much (ditto for most of Bernie Sanders' proposals). Now he's shaking his head at Trump for wanting to increase Defense spending again while cutting taxes.

Seems to me like the current crop is, if anything, more serious about deficits than any other crop of GOP before. Which is not to say very much, given they only worry about it when Democrats are in charge, but still some are more concerned than usual.

Comical. If they were, Trump would never have stood a chance because his policy of spending big while massively slashing taxes for the richest adds nearly 6 trillion dollars to the deficit.