How to make an inforned decision on Fairfax county meal tax referendum?

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Anonymous wrote:1. "Little" expenditures add up. How about the money being spent to provide a free computer to EVERY student in the Chantilly pyramid? (Can't wait to see what happens at the end of the year when computers go missing or turn up damaged.)
2. Money to study and change the names of schools--a million or so-at least.
3. Time and effort spent on the transgender policy--and, very likely, money to be committed to new plumbing costs. Also, money will be spent defending the new policy in lawsuits. Do you have any idea how much FCPS spends on legal fees?

Much of the additional costs in FCPS are due to the sanctuary county policy. We have soooo many kids who need very expensive education--these kids cost us more than kids who speak English. It is right that we educate the kids who are here--but, the sanctuary policy in Fairfax County attracts families whose education costs are above the norm. The elimination of the sanctuary policy would eliminate the need for more funds.

Do you have any proof, any whatsoever, of either end of this statement? Because I mostly find right wing websites that claim this. My kid's in FCPS. It's expensive because the school is effing awesome.

Not the pp, but look at the FCPS budget. When ESOL students comprise 20% of the student population in FCPS, that is quite a chunk of the budget. FCPS supports over 36,000 students with ESOL services, and many of those also need SpEd services. Any teacher will tell you that a large number of these students are in our country illegally.

This doesn't show the change, but it does give numbers.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps

"As the 10th largest school division in the U.S., Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) serves a diverse student population of more than 186,000 students in grades prekindergarten through 12. More than 52,000 (28 percent of total population) of those students are eligible for free and reduced-price meals; more than 28,000 (17 percent of total population) receive English for speakers of other languages (ESOL) services, and more than 25,000 (13 percent of total population) receive special education services. Demographically, 40 percent of FCPS students are White, 24 percent are Hispanic, 19 percent are Asian American, 10 percent are African American, and five percent are multiracial."

I would like to know what percentage are children of illegal immigrants.

FCPS would never disclose that number.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Plyler vs. Doe (457 U.S. 202 (1982)) that undocumented children and young adults have the same right to attend public primary and secondary schools as do U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Like other children, undocumented students are obliged under state law to attend school until they reach a mandated age. As a result of the Plyler ruling, public schools may not:
Deny admission to a student during initial enrollment or at any other time on the basis of undocumented status.
Treat a student differently to determine residency.
Engage in any practices to "chill" the right of access to school.
Require students or parents to disclose or document their immigration status.
Make inquiries of students or parents that may expose their undocumented status.
Require social security numbers from all students, as this may expose undocumented status.
Students without social security numbers should be assigned a number generated by the school. Adults without social security numbers who are applying for a free lunch and/or breakfast program on behalf of a student need only indicate on the application that they do not have a social security number.
Changes in the F-1 (Student) Visa Program do not alter the Plyler obligations to undocumented children. These changes apply only to students who apply for a student visa from outside the U.S.
Finally, school personnel -- especially building principals and those involved with student intake activities -- should be aware that they have no legal obligation to enforce U.S. immigration laws. (U.S. Supreme Court, 1982)

NP. Not only would FCPS never disclose the number even if they had it, but it's unlikely they have the actual data to start with. I wouldn't doubt that they've done a rough estimate based on the numbers of unaccompanied minors they've enrolled and students who sign up for FAMIS without providing social security numbers, but that's not going to cover everyone.

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they are now just pushing the meal tax without a vote.



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Anonymous wrote:1. "Little" expenditures add up. How about the money being spent to provide a free computer to EVERY student in the Chantilly pyramid? (Can't wait to see what happens at the end of the year when computers go missing or turn up damaged.)
2. Money to study and change the names of schools--a million or so-at least.
3. Time and effort spent on the transgender policy--and, very likely, money to be committed to new plumbing costs. Also, money will be spent defending the new policy in lawsuits. Do you have any idea how much FCPS spends on legal fees?

Much of the additional costs in FCPS are due to the sanctuary county policy. We have soooo many kids who need very expensive education--these kids cost us more than kids who speak English. It is right that we educate the kids who are here--but, the sanctuary policy in Fairfax County attracts families whose education costs are above the norm. The elimination of the sanctuary policy would eliminate the need for more funds.

Do you have any proof, any whatsoever, of either end of this statement? Because I mostly find right wing websites that claim this. My kid's in FCPS. It's expensive because the school is effing awesome.

Not the pp, but look at the FCPS budget. When ESOL students comprise 20% of the student population in FCPS, that is quite a chunk of the budget. FCPS supports over 36,000 students with ESOL services, and many of those also need SpEd services. Any teacher will tell you that a large number of these students are in our country illegally.

This doesn't show the change, but it does give numbers.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps

"As the 10th largest school division in the U.S., Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) serves a diverse student population of more than 186,000 students in grades prekindergarten through 12. More than 52,000 (28 percent of total population) of those students are eligible for free and reduced-price meals; more than 28,000 (17 percent of total population) receive English for speakers of other languages (ESOL) services, and more than 25,000 (13 percent of total population) receive special education services. Demographically, 40 percent of FCPS students are White, 24 percent are Hispanic, 19 percent are Asian American, 10 percent are African American, and five percent are multiracial."

I would like to know what percentage are children of illegal immigrants.

FCPS would never disclose that number.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Plyler vs. Doe (457 U.S. 202 (1982)) that undocumented children and young adults have the same right to attend public primary and secondary schools as do U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Like other children, undocumented students are obliged under state law to attend school until they reach a mandated age. As a result of the Plyler ruling, public schools may not:
Deny admission to a student during initial enrollment or at any other time on the basis of undocumented status.
Treat a student differently to determine residency.
Engage in any practices to "chill" the right of access to school.
Require students or parents to disclose or document their immigration status.
Make inquiries of students or parents that may expose their undocumented status.
Require social security numbers from all students, as this may expose undocumented status.
Students without social security numbers should be assigned a number generated by the school. Adults without social security numbers who are applying for a free lunch and/or breakfast program on behalf of a student need only indicate on the application that they do not have a social security number.
Changes in the F-1 (Student) Visa Program do not alter the Plyler obligations to undocumented children. These changes apply only to students who apply for a student visa from outside the U.S.
Finally, school personnel -- especially building principals and those involved with student intake activities -- should be aware that they have no legal obligation to enforce U.S. immigration laws. (U.S. Supreme Court, 1982)

NP. Not only would FCPS never disclose the number even if they had it, but it's unlikely they have the actual data to start with. I wouldn't doubt that they've done a rough estimate based on the numbers of unaccompanied minors they've enrolled and students who sign up for FAMIS without providing social security numbers, but that's not going to cover everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. "Little" expenditures add up. How about the money being spent to provide a free computer to EVERY student in the Chantilly pyramid? (Can't wait to see what happens at the end of the year when computers go missing or turn up damaged.)
2. Money to study and change the names of schools--a million or so-at least.
3. Time and effort spent on the transgender policy--and, very likely, money to be committed to new plumbing costs. Also, money will be spent defending the new policy in lawsuits. Do you have any idea how much FCPS spends on legal fees?

Much of the additional costs in FCPS are due to the sanctuary county policy. We have soooo many kids who need very expensive education--these kids cost us more than kids who speak English. It is right that we educate the kids who are here--but, the sanctuary policy in Fairfax County attracts families whose education costs are above the norm. The elimination of the sanctuary policy would eliminate the need for more funds.

Do you have any proof, any whatsoever, of either end of this statement? Because I mostly find right wing websites that claim this. My kid's in FCPS. It's expensive because the school is effing awesome.

Not the pp, but look at the FCPS budget. When ESOL students comprise 20% of the student population in FCPS, that is quite a chunk of the budget. FCPS supports over 36,000 students with ESOL services, and many of those also need SpEd services. Any teacher will tell you that a large number of these students are in our country illegally.

In addition to this, we are educating kids up to the age of 22 in our high schools. It is likely that some of these were not even in school until they crossed the border. If you think this doesn't cost more than educating a Kindergartener who was born in Fairfax County, you are very naïve. The undocumented immigrants are a huge drain on our school system. I know of churches that even provide food for these kids on the weekends. It is very sad--but we need to stop the flow.

This is federally mandated for eligible special ed students. I have a child using special education services. You're an ass.

There needs to be a reasonable limit on spending The government does not have unlimited funds. It’s no different than insurance refusing to pay for a million dollar gene therapy that adds one month in life expectancy. Sometimes it does not make financial sense to do things. This may not be applicable in your situation and I would feel the same way if I were you. However, the county cannot afford to spend 100k on a single student if they need extremely intensive SPED services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. "Little" expenditures add up. How about the money being spent to provide a free computer to EVERY student in the Chantilly pyramid? (Can't wait to see what happens at the end of the year when computers go missing or turn up damaged.)
2. Money to study and change the names of schools--a million or so-at least.
3. Time and effort spent on the transgender policy--and, very likely, money to be committed to new plumbing costs. Also, money will be spent defending the new policy in lawsuits. Do you have any idea how much FCPS spends on legal fees?

Much of the additional costs in FCPS are due to the sanctuary county policy. We have soooo many kids who need very expensive education--these kids cost us more than kids who speak English. It is right that we educate the kids who are here--but, the sanctuary policy in Fairfax County attracts families whose education costs are above the norm. The elimination of the sanctuary policy would eliminate the need for more funds.

Do you have any proof, any whatsoever, of either end of this statement? Because I mostly find right wing websites that claim this. My kid's in FCPS. It's expensive because the school is effing awesome.

Not the pp, but look at the FCPS budget. When ESOL students comprise 20% of the student population in FCPS, that is quite a chunk of the budget. FCPS supports over 36,000 students with ESOL services, and many of those also need SpEd services. Any teacher will tell you that a large number of these students are in our country illegally.

In addition to this, we are educating kids up to the age of 22 in our high schools. It is likely that some of these were not even in school until they crossed the border. If you think this doesn't cost more than educating a Kindergartener who was born in Fairfax County, you are very naïve. The undocumented immigrants are a huge drain on our school system. I know of churches that even provide food for these kids on the weekends. It is very sad--but we need to stop the flow.

This is federally mandated for eligible special ed students. I have a child using special education services. You're an ass.

There needs to be a reasonable limit on spending The government does not have unlimited funds. It’s no different than insurance refusing to pay for a million dollar gene therapy that adds one month in life expectancy. Sometimes it does not make financial sense to do things. This may not be applicable in your situation and I would feel the same way if I were you. However, the county cannot afford to spend 100k on a single student if they need extremely intensive SPED services.

But Fairfax County needs to replace all the funding lost when the COVID money ran out. You can't just stop government programs. People depend on them!

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FCPS is wildly irresponsible with money. It's gonna be a no from me.

[Anonymous]

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But Fairfax County needs to replace all the funding lost when the COVID money ran out. You can't just stop government programs. People depend on them!

what were they doing before the "covid" money came?

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It's amazing how budget problems are always due to taxes are too low or strategies are needed to impose new taxes. Democrats never, ever admit it is a spending problem.

It doesn't matter how much money you get from your job and raises per year if you cannot control your credit card spending. Dems cannot understand this simple math. Cut 20% of county jobs and reduce their benefits. Problem solved overnight.

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It is a hard NO for me. Until FFX county show responsibility in budgeting of what they already have, no more money for them. Such a waist of funds! And don't fool yourself, teachers are not going to see a penny even if this tax passes through.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a hard NO for me. Until FFX county show responsibility in budgeting of what they already have, no more money for them. Such a waist of funds! And don't fool yourself, teachers are not going to see a penny even if this tax passes through.

Yes, they will probably use it all on outside DEI consultants to provide useless overpriced reports.