Do you recommend Gilmore Girls?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh.

Lorelei Gilmore needs a punch in the face. Manic Pixie Dream Girls should not be moms.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. She is NOT a MPDG. MPDGs are usually not allowed to have their own emotions and interior lives and serve only to boost the male lead's stuffy solitude. I like Lorelei, but she is sometimes very selfish, very human, and very mean. In other words, a human. Not the way overused MPDG meme.

Lorelei Gilmore is a MPDG who exists to open her mother, father and her daughter up to the wonderful adventure of life. Quirky? Check. Beautiful? Check. Never suffers a negative consequence for her stupid decisions? Check. Surrounded by stick-in-the-mud people who just need to learn to let go and love life? Check.

Character development may have pulled her away from the trope, but she is definitely a MPDG.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh.

Lorelei Gilmore needs a punch in the face. Manic Pixie Dream Girls should not be moms.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. She is NOT a MPDG. MPDGs are usually not allowed to have their own emotions and interior lives and serve only to boost the male lead's stuffy solitude. I like Lorelei, but she is sometimes very selfish, very human, and very mean. In other words, a human. Not the way overused MPDG meme.

Lorelei Gilmore is a MPDG who exists to open her mother, father and her daughter up to the wonderful adventure of life. Quirky? Check. Beautiful? Check. Never suffers a negative consequence for her stupid decisions? Check. Surrounded by stick-in-the-mud people who just need to learn to let go and love life? Check.

Character development may have pulled her away from the trope, but she is definitely a MPDG.

NP, but I disagree. Quirky and beautiful are the only traits she fits. MPDGs are Penny Lane in almost famous, Kirstin dunst in that horrific elizabethtown, and Natalie Portman in the shameful Garden State. They are never main characters like Lorelei - instead they exist to explain more about the male characters.

Disagree Lorelei has not dealt with consequences during the show. She experienced real moments of pain and conflict, borrowing money from her parents, having Rory get in that car accident with Jess, to name a few.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just a side note - does anyone find the Dragonfly Inn to be horribly decorated? I mean, it's one pattern after another and makes me shudder. I do like the green Chippendale chairs in the dining room though..

OMG - Yes! I guess it's supposed to be eclectic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh.

Lorelei Gilmore needs a punch in the face. Manic Pixie Dream Girls should not be moms.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. She is NOT a MPDG. MPDGs are usually not allowed to have their own emotions and interior lives and serve only to boost the male lead's stuffy solitude. I like Lorelei, but she is sometimes very selfish, very human, and very mean. In other words, a human. Not the way overused MPDG meme.

The more I watch this show, the more true this is. I like Lorelai, but sometimes, she is the most annoying person ever. Very selfish and childish. Not always, but a lot. I'm glad she's portrayed that way instead of always perfect, all the time. In fact, she's rarely perfect.

Even in the dynamic she has with her own mother, sometimes I want to slap Lorelai. Her mom isn't always that bad, but Lorelai continues their strained relationship when she could tone it down a bit and meet her mother halfway.

But if you've ever had a Mom like that, you know that's exactly how you react to the smallest things. My mom and I love each other, but man, can she push my buttons. When DH and I first started dating he wondered why I flew off the handle over the smallest things my Mom would do or say. Taken in isolation, yes I was nuts. But the constant 'small' things add up. In time, DH has realized why I flip out so 'easily' on her. It's like death by a million little drips of water.

This dynamic is perfectly illustrated in the episode where Luke and Lorelai have dinner with Emily, and Luke keeps giving Emily the benefit of the doubt when she says "beer" with a sneer or calls his diner "rustic." Lorelai gets defensive about every one of those slights, and Luke acts like she's being crazy. Of course, by the end of the episode, Luke comes to see Lorelai's perspective because these things always become clear in about 40 minutes on tv.

[Anonymous]

I watched when I was much younger (and single) and always sided with Lorelei. Just rewatched an early episode where she goes to dinner at her parents house and thought, wow, she's disrespectful and rude to them. Which is human, but sort of changed my perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh.

Lorelei Gilmore needs a punch in the face. Manic Pixie Dream Girls should not be moms.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. She is NOT a MPDG. MPDGs are usually not allowed to have their own emotions and interior lives and serve only to boost the male lead's stuffy solitude. I like Lorelei, but she is sometimes very selfish, very human, and very mean. In other words, a human. Not the way overused MPDG meme.

Lorelei Gilmore is a MPDG who exists to open her mother, father and her daughter up to the wonderful adventure of life. Quirky? Check. Beautiful? Check. Never suffers a negative consequence for her stupid decisions? Check. Surrounded by stick-in-the-mud people who just need to learn to let go and love life? Check.

Character development may have pulled her away from the trope, but she is definitely a MPDG.

NP, but I disagree. Quirky and beautiful are the only traits she fits. MPDGs are Penny Lane in almost famous, Kirstin dunst in that horrific elizabethtown, and Natalie Portman in the shameful Garden State. They are never main characters like Lorelei - instead they exist to explain more about the male characters.

Disagree Lorelei has not dealt with consequences during the show. She experienced real moments of pain and conflict, borrowing money from her parents, having Rory get in that car accident with Jess, to name a few.

Consequences stemming from one's own actions--yeah, there's been almost nil for the character. She runs away as a high school drop out with a baby and is given a job and place to live and baby Rory is babysat by magical elves. Despite being a h.s. drop out, having a kid, and a minimum wage job, Lorelei is able to buy a house, get a degree, never cooks and always eats out, and has an endless closet full of designer outfits (Diane Furstenberg). Do wonders ever cease?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you've loved it please tell why you like it so much. I haven't watched it but it sounew interesting from the Netflix description.

It's escapist and fun and very women-centered. You can watch it feeling safe that nothing truly terrible is going to happen, but the relationships (mostly mom & daughter, grandmother/granddaughter, a couple romantic relationships) have aspects in them that are true to life. It's not that it's GREAT TV in the way the Sopranos is, but it's about stuff you don't see on TV much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh.

Lorelei Gilmore needs a punch in the face. Manic Pixie Dream Girls should not be moms.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. She is NOT a MPDG. MPDGs are usually not allowed to have their own emotions and interior lives and serve only to boost the male lead's stuffy solitude. I like Lorelei, but she is sometimes very selfish, very human, and very mean. In other words, a human. Not the way overused MPDG meme.

Lorelei Gilmore is a MPDG who exists to open her mother, father and her daughter up to the wonderful adventure of life. Quirky? Check. Beautiful? Check. Never suffers a negative consequence for her stupid decisions? Check. Surrounded by stick-in-the-mud people who just need to learn to let go and love life? Check.

Character development may have pulled her away from the trope, but she is definitely a MPDG.

NP, but I disagree. Quirky and beautiful are the only traits she fits. MPDGs are Penny Lane in almost famous, Kirstin dunst in that horrific elizabethtown, and Natalie Portman in the shameful Garden State. They are never main characters like Lorelei - instead they exist to explain more about the male characters.

Disagree Lorelei has not dealt with consequences during the show. She experienced real moments of pain and conflict, borrowing money from her parents, having Rory get in that car accident with Jess, to name a few.

Consequences stemming from one's own actions--yeah, there's been almost nil for the character. She runs away as a high school drop out with a baby and is given a job and place to live and baby Rory is babysat by magical elves. Despite being a h.s. drop out, having a kid, and a minimum wage job, Lorelei is able to buy a house, get a degree, never cooks and always eats out, and has an endless closet full of designer outfits (Diane Furstenberg). Do wonders ever cease?

If this were true, designer clothes and eating out do not a MPDG make.

The show starts when Rory was 16. No one said she didn't struggle those first years and she acknowledged that the woman who took her in was like a mother and she wouldn't be where she was without her. She lived at and cleaned houses at a small New England inn when the baby was young, kind of perfect for childcare really. It's like she was hauling ass to catch the red line and work in an office all day.

By the time we meet her, yes she has branched out, bought an old house, and doesn't have to worry about childcare etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I watched when I was much younger (and single) and always sided with Lorelei. Just rewatched an early episode where she goes to dinner at her parents house and thought, wow, she's disrespectful and rude to them. Which is human, but sort of changed my perspective.

YES! Same here. The second time around, I found her to be so irritating at those Friday night dinners, always ruining a perfectly normal conversation with her constant quips and sarcasm. She's very funny, but never seems to know when to dial it back and just be normal. Her immaturity is very evident - always wanting to be the center of attention. I even noticed Rory reacting with annoyance. There's definitely a mother/daughter role reversal in their characters.

That said, I still like the Lorelai character - but she does grate on my nerves a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh.

Lorelei Gilmore needs a punch in the face. Manic Pixie Dream Girls should not be moms.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. She is NOT a MPDG. MPDGs are usually not allowed to have their own emotions and interior lives and serve only to boost the male lead's stuffy solitude. I like Lorelei, but she is sometimes very selfish, very human, and very mean. In other words, a human. Not the way overused MPDG meme.

Lorelei Gilmore is a MPDG who exists to open her mother, father and her daughter up to the wonderful adventure of life. Quirky? Check. Beautiful? Check. Never suffers a negative consequence for her stupid decisions? Check. Surrounded by stick-in-the-mud people who just need to learn to let go and love life? Check.

Character development may have pulled her away from the trope, but she is definitely a MPDG.

NP, but I disagree. Quirky and beautiful are the only traits she fits. MPDGs are Penny Lane in almost famous, Kirstin dunst in that horrific elizabethtown, and Natalie Portman in the shameful Garden State. They are never main characters like Lorelei - instead they exist to explain more about the male characters.

Disagree Lorelei has not dealt with consequences during the show. She experienced real moments of pain and conflict, borrowing money from her parents, having Rory get in that car accident with Jess, to name a few.

Consequences stemming from one's own actions--yeah, there's been almost nil for the character. She runs away as a high school drop out with a baby and is given a job and place to live and baby Rory is babysat by magical elves. Despite being a h.s. drop out, having a kid, and a minimum wage job, Lorelei is able to buy a house, get a degree, never cooks and always eats out, and has an endless closet full of designer outfits (Diane Furstenberg). Do wonders ever cease?

And turn an old inn into a top ten destination within the first year, including being the cover story of a travel magazine. Yes, it's all just a tad unbelievable. I'm still wondering who took care of Rory as a baby, while she was working.

Also, I'm currently on Season 6 and having some questions. Can anyone tell me why Logan got no community service hours or punishment of any kind for stealing the yacht with Rory, and why she seems to be just fine with that, all the while putting in her 300 hrs. of community service while he gets to galavant around Europe with his friends?? I really can't stand Logan and wish she hadn't told him she loved him. He's so lazy, entitled, and sleezy.

[Anonymous]

Tough crowd. It's escapism tv.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Also, I'm currently on Season 6 and having some questions. Can anyone tell me why Logan got no community service hours or punishment of any kind for stealing the yacht with Rory, and why she seems to be just fine with that, all the while putting in her 300 hrs. of community service while he gets to galavant around Europe with his friends?? I really can't stand Logan and wish she hadn't told him she loved him. He's so lazy, entitled, and sleezy.

I could be mis-remembering. Didn't Rory 'take the fall?' I thought that was part of the reason why she and Lorelai had such a big fall out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh.

Lorelei Gilmore needs a punch in the face. Manic Pixie Dream Girls should not be moms.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. She is NOT a MPDG. MPDGs are usually not allowed to have their own emotions and interior lives and serve only to boost the male lead's stuffy solitude. I like Lorelei, but she is sometimes very selfish, very human, and very mean. In other words, a human. Not the way overused MPDG meme.

Lorelei Gilmore is a MPDG who exists to open her mother, father and her daughter up to the wonderful adventure of life. Quirky? Check. Beautiful? Check. Never suffers a negative consequence for her stupid decisions? Check. Surrounded by stick-in-the-mud people who just need to learn to let go and love life? Check.

Character development may have pulled her away from the trope, but she is definitely a MPDG.

NP, but I disagree. Quirky and beautiful are the only traits she fits. MPDGs are Penny Lane in almost famous, Kirstin dunst in that horrific elizabethtown, and Natalie Portman in the shameful Garden State. They are never main characters like Lorelei - instead they exist to explain more about the male characters.

Disagree Lorelei has not dealt with consequences during the show. She experienced real moments of pain and conflict, borrowing money from her parents, having Rory get in that car accident with Jess, to name a few.

Lorelei is the MPDG for the audience. She exists to explain more about life to her female audience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Also, I'm currently on Season 6 and having some questions. Can anyone tell me why Logan got no community service hours or punishment of any kind for stealing the yacht with Rory, and why she seems to be just fine with that, all the while putting in her 300 hrs. of community service while he gets to galavant around Europe with his friends?? I really can't stand Logan and wish she hadn't told him she loved him. He's so lazy, entitled, and sleezy.

I could be mis-remembering. Didn't Rory 'take the fall?' I thought that was part of the reason why she and Lorelai had such a big fall out.

I watch for one reason, and one reason only: Matt Czuchry - as a result, I know seasons 5-7 (7, by the way, isn't as bad as they say...much better than 6!) better than seasons 1-4. Jess can kiss my ass.

As for why Logan got off for the boat theft, it's implied that his daddy paid people off. Remember Rory's grandparents were appalled that the attorney they had hired wasn't able to just talk his way into a dismissal for Rory? Apparently, Mr. Huntzberger's lawyer was better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Also, I'm currently on Season 6 and having some questions. Can anyone tell me why Logan got no community service hours or punishment of any kind for stealing the yacht with Rory, and why she seems to be just fine with that, all the while putting in her 300 hrs. of community service while he gets to galavant around Europe with his friends?? I really can't stand Logan and wish she hadn't told him she loved him. He's so lazy, entitled, and sleezy.

I could be mis-remembering. Didn't Rory 'take the fall?' I thought that was part of the reason why she and Lorelai had such a big fall out.

I watch for one reason, and one reason only: Matt Czuchry - as a result, I know seasons 5-7 (7, by the way, isn't as bad as they say...much better than 6!) better than seasons 1-4. Jess can kiss my ass.

As for why Logan got off for the boat theft, it's implied that his daddy paid people off. Remember Rory's grandparents were appalled that the attorney they had hired wasn't able to just talk his way into a dismissal for Rory? Apparently, Mr. Huntzberger's lawyer was better.

This. Logan even asks Rory if she's sure she doesn't want to go with his lawyer and she says her grandparents are taking care of it.

Anyway, I love Logan. Loved them together. Hope they end up together, but know they won't. That relationship - minus all the wealth and privilege - remind me of me and my early 20's boyfriend. stupid young love. sigh.