Let's join forces to scrap the current homeless shelter plan and start over

[Anonymous]

The people in Ward 3 who pay the most for the City get rewarded with a homeless shelter, a big middle-finger from the DC gov. Why not put the homeless shelter in the prison?

[Anonymous]

Cheh is white guilt personified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people in Ward 3 who pay the most for the City get rewarded with a homeless shelter, a big middle-finger from the DC gov. Why not put the homeless shelter in the prison?

Because homeless people are not criminals?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should hold your first meeting at DC General. Just in case you have a shred of empathy in you anywhere.

Having empathy would mean you are actually going to address the DC General problem in a more substantive way. Slicing it up into 8 pieces and spreading it around doesn't actually address any of the underlying issues around how DC General got so bad in the first place. And as such the same problems will recur, only this time in 8 facilities instead of one.

So before you go rushing to the defense of the plan touting "empathy" I think you need to take a step back and recognize that none of the proposals, whether Bowsers' or Council's counterproposal actually address those underlying problems.

It does solve a problem. Just like large concentrated projects were a failed experiment of the 60s, a city-wide large scale shelter is a failure today. I'm tired of hearing people profess to have concern about the "underlying problems" facing the homeless, but only when the homeless are moving into their neighborhood.

No it doesn't. In some cases they are just moving poverty from one area of concentrated poverty to another. The Ward 6 site for example is surrounded by no less than 800 units of public housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you say about the people who's home value will decrease due to proximity to the shelters?

I say (1) provide proof of this phenomenon and (2) spell whose properly.

Different poster (who hopefully will pass the grammar test! ).

HUD research paper addressing property values and crime associated with homeless shelters.
https://www.huduser.gov/Publications/pdf/support_1.pdf

Quantitative Analysis of Property Value Impacts

Overall, we found that the set of eleven supportive housing facilities we analyzed for the
price impact analysis was associated with a positive impact on house prices in the surrounding
neighborhood. ... While the average relationship between this set of supportive housing facilities and
proximate house prices was positive, not all site/neighborhood combinations in Denver
experienced the same relationship. When we disaggregated our analysis to measure impacts for
different common clusters of sites/neighborhoods, we found that the set of five supportive housing
sites located in low-valued, heavily minority-occupied (typically majority Black-occupied)
neighborhoods consistently evinced the positive price impacts noted above. By contrast, the site
in the highest-value, overwhelmingly white-occupied neighborhood apparently had a negative
effect on house prices, as did another (poorly maintained) site in a modestly valued, high-density
core neighborhood having 24 percent of its population classified as Hispanic.
(page xii)

Then according to that article we should put the shelters in Wards 7/8 as it will raise their property values. It will lower property values anywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people in Ward 3 who pay the most for the City get rewarded with a homeless shelter, a big middle-finger from the DC gov. Why not put the homeless shelter in the prison?

I don't support putting it in the prison. I do support putting it At current DC General (refurbished or razed or rebuilt) or in an out of the way place that actually does not invite permanent living. People should be moving to mixed income living if they are able to help themselves and their children and THAT should be the city's focus--especially with the amount of transitional neighborhoods and opportunities we have. If they're unable, they should be in dorms or hospital type setting receiving care and services.

[Anonymous]

If I lived anywhere near that homeless shelter in Ward 3, I would be fired up. Homeless shelter = poor = crime = lower property values.

[Anonymous]

Apparently this was an easy decision for Mary Cheh to make. It should abut her home. #skininthegame

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you say about the people who's home value will decrease due to proximity to the shelters?

I say (1) provide proof of this phenomenon and (2) spell whose properly.

Different poster (who hopefully will pass the grammar test! ).

HUD research paper addressing property values and crime associated with homeless shelters.
https://www.huduser.gov/Publications/pdf/support_1.pdf

Quantitative Analysis of Property Value Impacts

Overall, we found that the set of eleven supportive housing facilities we analyzed for the
price impact analysis was associated with a positive impact on house prices in the surrounding
neighborhood. ... While the average relationship between this set of supportive housing facilities and
proximate house prices was positive, not all site/neighborhood combinations in Denver
experienced the same relationship. When we disaggregated our analysis to measure impacts for
different common clusters of sites/neighborhoods, we found that the set of five supportive housing
sites located in low-valued, heavily minority-occupied (typically majority Black-occupied)
neighborhoods consistently evinced the positive price impacts noted above. By contrast, the site
in the highest-value, overwhelmingly white-occupied neighborhood apparently had a negative
effect on house prices, as did another (poorly maintained) site in a modestly valued, high-density
core neighborhood having 24 percent of its population classified as Hispanic.
(page xii)

Had you bothered to read the study you would have known that it focused on supported living facilities for the mentally ill and developmentally disabled and explicitly excluded homeless shelters and transitional quarters. Fn. 1 at 1-2. Moreover of the total of 11 facilities examined, for which there were two home sales within designated distances from the facility, there was only one located in a predominately-white neighborhood which had the highest median home sales price: $195,000. By the way, this happened to be a group home for individuals with cerebral palsy. I'll leave it to others to judge whether you are being deceitful or just lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people in Ward 3 who pay the most for the City get rewarded with a homeless shelter, a big middle-finger from the DC gov. Why not put the homeless shelter in the prison?

You are an asshole of the highest order.

[Anonymous]

It never ceases to amaze me how deep a NIMBY will dig to justify their position.

[Anonymous]

There are formerly homeless individuals and families utilizing housing vouchers all across DC, and you just don't know it. They are already living in your apartment building or the house next door. This isn't the big, scary thing you are imagining. Relax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people in Ward 3 who pay the most for the City get rewarded with a homeless shelter, a big middle-finger from the DC gov. Why not put the homeless shelter in the prison?

I don't support putting it in the prison. I do support putting it At current DC General (refurbished or razed or rebuilt) or in an out of the way place that actually does not invite permanent living. People should be moving to mixed income living if they are able to help themselves and their children and THAT should be the city's focus--especially with the amount of transitional neighborhoods and opportunities we have. If they're unable, they should be in dorms or hospital type setting receiving care and services.

"Out of the way place"? I have a hard time keeping track but wasn't one of the criticisms of the Wisconsin Ave site that it was not near Metro, jobs or supportive services. Any suggestions on where these families should be placed while DC General us razed and rebuilt? I think the DC Jail is already occupied, so maybe an open air encampment inside RFK?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently this was an easy decision for Mary Cheh to make. It should abut her home. #skininthegame

I assume you don't live near Councilmember Cheh?

[Anonymous]

Aren't they supposed to be there 120 days? I've suggested by the arboretum. I'm sure there are other sites. Currently many are at random hotels in MD. Surely an improvement.