John Tyler- Corporal Punishment

[Anonymous]

If my kids got in trouble at school for being in a food fight, there would be actual corporal punishment when they got home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, this video aired on Fox 5 news tonight.

It clearly shows a teacher, who still teaches at Tyler, using corporal punishment to 'teach' kids not to have food fights.

The Principal has stated that he supports the teacher because the kids had a food fight.

I do not teach at Tyler and do not have kids there, so this is not a witch hunt. It just makes me very sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7y97qqBllQ

OK, this is weird. What is with the second video below, and if this happened in May 2014 as the description claims, why just upload it to YouTube now? And why write that nasty stuff about the affair? Maybe someone is mad he or she isn't the sidepiece anymore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdVEyLnNh9Q

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So having kids crawl around on the floor hands/knees is legit with you all?

If your kids were in this video you would be ok with it?

Yup. And then he'd be in trouble when he got home and have to clean my kitchen floor too.

[Anonymous]

The note from the Principal yesterday said they think this video was from a couple of years ago. The note mostly dealt with the issues of safety, consequences and responsibility for conduct. I'm not fussed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The note from the Principal yesterday said they think this video was from a couple of years ago. The note mostly dealt with the issues of safety, consequences and responsibility for conduct. I'm not fussed.

The video is at least a year old. Tyler had a new, distinctly different looking cafeteria floor installed beginning SY 2014-15. Anonymous YouTube poster recorded this and, for reasons other than the safety of students, decided to finally post it this week.

Considering source...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The note from the Principal yesterday said they think this video was from a couple of years ago. The note mostly dealt with the issues of safety, consequences and responsibility for conduct. I'm not fussed.

The video is at least a year old. Tyler had a new, distinctly different looking cafeteria floor installed beginning SY 2014-15. Anonymous YouTube poster recorded this and, for reasons other than the safety of students, decided to finally post it this week.

Considering source...

I thought it looked like the old floor. I hardly ever go to the cafeteria since it isn't used for drop off anymore. So this must have taken place under the previous principal, or was the current acting at the time? Whatever, it is a nothing-burger regardless.

[Anonymous]

It's super ironic given all the actual horrible things Tyler is doing to their students that THIS is what gets news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's super ironic given all the actual horrible things Tyler is doing to their students that THIS is what gets news.

What horrible things? It is a school with an extremely high percentage of at-risk children, many from very poor families with no support systems. There are behavior issues for sure, discipline, poor language used, etc. My very high HHI child is there - in a specialized program -and while the staff isn't the very best in DCPS, I don't blame them for the vast majority of the problems in the school that are entrenched but are not caused by the school. I would agree if you say the Principal is weak, the teachers either burned out or only fly-by-night TFA types, etc. But what is truly horrible in their conduct. I'm not a fan of the administration by any means but an accusation like yours should be elaborated and justified.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's super ironic given all the actual horrible things Tyler is doing to their students that THIS is what gets news.

What horrible things? It is a school with an extremely high percentage of at-risk children, many from very poor families with no support systems. There are behavior issues for sure, discipline, poor language used, etc. My very high HHI child is there - in a specialized program -and while the staff isn't the very best in DCPS, I don't blame them for the vast majority of the problems in the school that are entrenched but are not caused by the school. I would agree if you say the Principal is weak, the teachers either burned out or only fly-by-night TFA types, etc. But what is truly horrible in their conduct. I'm not a fan of the administration by any means but an accusation like yours should be elaborated and justified.

They routinely kick kids with disabilities out of the spanish immersion program. No one in the building seems to know anything about the 504 process, and the special ed coordinator stomps over families and the admin and does what she wants without regard to what's legal or even good for the child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's super ironic given all the actual horrible things Tyler is doing to their students that THIS is what gets news.

What horrible things? It is a school with an extremely high percentage of at-risk children, many from very poor families with no support systems. There are behavior issues for sure, discipline, poor language used, etc. My very high HHI child is there - in a specialized program -and while the staff isn't the very best in DCPS, I don't blame them for the vast majority of the problems in the school that are entrenched but are not caused by the school. I would agree if you say the Principal is weak, the teachers either burned out or only fly-by-night TFA types, etc. But what is truly horrible in their conduct. I'm not a fan of the administration by any means but an accusation like yours should be elaborated and justified.

They routinely kick kids with disabilities out of the spanish immersion program. No one in the building seems to know anything about the 504 process, and the special ed coordinator stomps over families and the admin and does what she wants without regard to what's legal or even good for the child.

And I should say that they did this to us despite our high priced lawyers and knowledge of the system. I hate to see what they do to families with no legal representation or no idea of what services their child should be receiving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's super ironic given all the actual horrible things Tyler is doing to their students that THIS is what gets news.

What horrible things? It is a school with an extremely high percentage of at-risk children, many from very poor families with no support systems. There are behavior issues for sure, discipline, poor language used, etc. My very high HHI child is there - in a specialized program -and while the staff isn't the very best in DCPS, I don't blame them for the vast majority of the problems in the school that are entrenched but are not caused by the school. I would agree if you say the Principal is weak, the teachers either burned out or only fly-by-night TFA types, etc. But what is truly horrible in their conduct. I'm not a fan of the administration by any means but an accusation like yours should be elaborated and justified.

They routinely kick kids with disabilities out of the spanish immersion program. No one in the building seems to know anything about the 504 process, and the special ed coordinator stomps over families and the admin and does what she wants without regard to what's legal or even good for the child.

And I should say that they did this to us despite our high priced lawyers and knowledge of the system. I hate to see what they do to families with no legal representation or no idea of what services their child should be receiving.

I find this hard to believe considering in legal circles, the practice of special education law against DCPS is equated with "shooting fish in barrels".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's super ironic given all the actual horrible things Tyler is doing to their students that THIS is what gets news.

What horrible things? It is a school with an extremely high percentage of at-risk children, many from very poor families with no support systems. There are behavior issues for sure, discipline, poor language used, etc. My very high HHI child is there - in a specialized program -and while the staff isn't the very best in DCPS, I don't blame them for the vast majority of the problems in the school that are entrenched but are not caused by the school. I would agree if you say the Principal is weak, the teachers either burned out or only fly-by-night TFA types, etc. But what is truly horrible in their conduct. I'm not a fan of the administration by any means but an accusation like yours should be elaborated and justified.

They routinely kick kids with disabilities out of the spanish immersion program. No one in the building seems to know anything about the 504 process, and the special ed coordinator stomps over families and the admin and does what she wants without regard to what's legal or even good for the child.

And I should say that they did this to us despite our high priced lawyers and knowledge of the system. I hate to see what they do to families with no legal representation or no idea of what services their child should be receiving.

I find this hard to believe considering in legal circles, the practice of special education law against DCPS is equated with "shooting fish in barrels".

I have the letter from the Department of Ed to prove it, and the DCPS hearing is pending. Want to meet me at Pound to compare notes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, this video aired on Fox 5 news tonight.

It clearly shows a teacher, who still teaches at Tyler, using corporal punishment to 'teach' kids not to have food fights.

The Principal has stated that he supports the teacher because the kids had a food fight.

I do not teach at Tyler and do not have kids there, so this is not a witch hunt. It just makes me very sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7y97qqBllQ

Actually the phrase you are looking for is logical consequence. You throw food you clean it up. You vandalize someone's property you help to repair it. It is called making it right or fixing it. Corporal Punishment would be having the children clean the cafeteria for the entire year. It isn't a logical consequence that matches the action.

[Anonymous]

Corporal punishment is the deliberate infliction of pain often through spanking or paddling. How is cleaning a floor corporal punishment? Do you realize some states still allow teachers and principals to paddle kids? I don't think the OP understands what corporal punishment is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If my child threw food as part of a food fight and was told to clean it up and was given appropriate tools to do it (i.e. mop, brooms) I would have no problem with it.

But they were not given the tools. They were crawling on hands and knees. Therein lies the rub.

But if its cool for you all- then just sit back. I will look for your champion responses when its white kids on a video.

You sound as if you're looking (hard) for something to be upset about here. If my child participated in making this mess, I would be perfectly fine with her helping to clean it up. It's called natural consequences...and personal responsibility. Btw, I'm AA.

+1. Agree. Not sure why PP is so fixated on the "hands and knees" aspect. I get down on my hands and knees to clean my kitchen floor. Am I supposed to feel humiliated for doing so? No. That's the position I need to get in to get the job done. I've had conversations several times with my son about not purposely making messes because it so unfair to the custodial staff who already have a huge job taking care of their school. I really think this previous poster has a weird hang up on hands and knees, and only she can address that.