Huge Republic of Ireland vote for gay marriage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article is a lot more insightful and nuanced then most of the dcum opinions:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/23/world/europe/for-one-irish-couple-backing-gay-marriage-is-a-matter-of-family-values.html?_r=0

Some key quotes:
Proponents of same-sex marriage in Ireland have promoted the cause as pro-family, and the video attests to how full acceptance of gay marriage can support an entire family. In a sense, it promoted one traditional Catholic value, the importance of family, against a longstanding Catholic prohibition against homosexuality.
We are Catholics, and we are taught to believe in compassion and love and fairness and inclusion


I'm very Irish-American and very Catholic and my facebook feed has been absolutely blowing up the last few days with happy posts about this vote.

Any of them from priests?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The abuse scandal in Ireland allowed this to happen. This abuse scandal was largely gay abuse. Thus there is a certain irony in what paved the way for this vote.

Child abuse? Very different than consensual sex. Pedophiles have their own sexual orientation. Kids.

I call a priest having an affair with a fourteen year old boy to be an abusive, gay relationship. If you want to pretend it is not homosexually oriented- that is your own fiction.

Pedophiles are very careful not to get caught. Having sex with boys is lower risk because they can't get pregnant and their own shame helps cover the crime.

It has little, if anything, to do with being gay.

So why was nambla part of pride events for so many years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The abuse scandal in Ireland allowed this to happen. This abuse scandal was largely gay abuse. Thus there is a certain irony in what paved the way for this vote.

Child abuse? Very different than consensual sex. Pedophiles have their own sexual orientation. Kids.

I call a priest having an affair with a fourteen year old boy to be an abusive, gay relationship. If you want to pretend it is not homosexually oriented- that is your own fiction.

Pedophiles are very careful not to get caught. Having sex with boys is lower risk because they can't get pregnant and their own shame helps cover the crime.

It has little, if anything, to do with being gay.

So a straight guy who is not ready or otherwise wanting kids should sleep with a man to avoid pregnancy- that's just hysterically funny....

In my book, a priest who has relations with a fourteen year old boy is gay and an abuser as well. He's both of those things. Similarly, a man who sleeps with a thirteen year old girl is straight and an abuser- both of those things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The abuse scandal in Ireland allowed this to happen. This abuse scandal was largely gay abuse. Thus there is a certain irony in what paved the way for this vote.

Child abuse? Very different than consensual sex. Pedophiles have their own sexual orientation. Kids.

I call a priest having an affair with a fourteen year old boy to be an abusive, gay relationship. If you want to pretend it is not homosexually oriented- that is your own fiction.

Pedophiles are very careful not to get caught. Having sex with boys is lower risk because they can't get pregnant and their own shame helps cover the crime.

It has little, if anything, to do with being gay.

So a straight guy who is not ready or otherwise wanting kids should sleep with a man to avoid pregnancy- that's just hysterically funny....

In my book, a priest who has relations with a fourteen year old boy is gay and an abuser as well. He's both of those things. Similarly, a man who sleeps with a thirteen year old girl is straight and an abuser- both of those things.

Why are you derailing this thread? Your ranting about gay abusive priests has exactly nothing to do with this vote, which was about family, equality, and love.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The abuse scandal in Ireland allowed this to happen. This abuse scandal was largely gay abuse. Thus there is a certain irony in what paved the way for this vote.

Child abuse? Very different than consensual sex. Pedophiles have their own sexual orientation. Kids.

I call a priest having an affair with a fourteen year old boy to be an abusive, gay relationship. If you want to pretend it is not homosexually oriented- that is your own fiction.

Pedophiles are very careful not to get caught. Having sex with boys is lower risk because they can't get pregnant and their own shame helps cover the crime.

It has little, if anything, to do with being gay.

So a straight guy who is not ready or otherwise wanting kids should sleep with a man to avoid pregnancy- that's just hysterically funny....

In my book, a priest who has relations with a fourteen year old boy is gay and an abuser as well. He's both of those things. Similarly, a man who sleeps with a thirteen year old girl is straight and an abuser- both of those things.

Why are you derailing this thread? Your ranting about gay abusive priests has exactly nothing to do with this vote, which was about family, equality, and love.

You don't get to control the language or the debate. I believe that abusive gay priests destroyed the Irish church and thus paved the way- perhaps inadvertently or not- for this vote.

[Anonymous]

Well if this was a vote against the Catholic Church because of sexual abuse scandals one can only hope we can see the same vote against Sinn Fein in the next elections because of their own scandals involving covering up rampant sexual abuse committed by high level IRA members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article is a lot more insightful and nuanced then most of the dcum opinions:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/23/world/europe/for-one-irish-couple-backing-gay-marriage-is-a-matter-of-family-values.html?_r=0

Some key quotes:
Proponents of same-sex marriage in Ireland have promoted the cause as pro-family, and the video attests to how full acceptance of gay marriage can support an entire family. In a sense, it promoted one traditional Catholic value, the importance of family, against a longstanding Catholic prohibition against homosexuality.
We are Catholics, and we are taught to believe in compassion and love and fairness and inclusion


I'm very Irish-American and very Catholic and my facebook feed has been absolutely blowing up the last few days with happy posts about this vote.

Any of them from priests?

NP here who is also Irish American.My cousin is a Catholic priest & he is thrilled about the outcome of the vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The abuse scandal in Ireland allowed this to happen. This abuse scandal was largely gay abuse. Thus there is a certain irony in what paved the way for this vote.

Child abuse? Very different than consensual sex. Pedophiles have their own sexual orientation. Kids.

I call a priest having an affair with a fourteen year old boy to be an abusive, gay relationship. If you want to pretend it is not homosexually oriented- that is your own fiction.

Pedophiles are very careful not to get caught. Having sex with boys is lower risk because they can't get pregnant and their own shame helps cover the crime.

It has little, if anything, to do with being gay.

So why was nambla part of pride events for so many years?

What, pre-1990? And they were completely ostracized by GLAAD decades ago.