Was John Wayne a racist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:-John Wayne was racist and his comments were disgusting.
-Thomas Jefferson was not a great man.
-Affirmative action is a necessary. Considering that white women are now the main beneficiaries, the original concept is warped anyway. If folks think black people are getting jobs over white people, you're crazy.

And Malcolm X was a domestic terrorist. Even The DC government finally dropped his name from Meridian Hill Park.

What does Malcolm X have to do with John Wayne?
Honestly, it's only weak minded people who when someone points out a racist, have to scramble to find a Black person who was in some way "wrong".
Let me just point this out for your future reference, there are morally bankrupt, "wrong", "terrible" Black people, Chinese people, Filipino people. Pointing out racism is not a tit for tat proposition.
Grow up!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think professional basketball and football needs a little Affirmative action love. If you simply go by demographics, about 75% of players should be white.

Most of the owners, execs and managers are white. So it ain't gonna happen.

Why will it not happen?

Because NBA players are selected by performance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It always amazes me how people justify racism just because the racist view was widely accepted during the time the racist was wrong. If you cannot see how sick and crazy that is, you are truly disturbed. Just because a lot people accept,perpetuate and go along with "wrong", does not magically make it right. But, God forbid anyone tell the truth and seem to taint the image of a cultural icon, and we have to deal with the real, have to think differently about something that "we" hold dear and soeaks volunes about our society as a whole. It's way more important to try to downplay than admit a truth we don't want to deal with

Morality is determined by society. It's why we don't use iron maidens anymore or sacrifice babies. People thought they were doing a necessary service to their community. Yes, we can look back now and say that thousands of years of slavery was terrible, but it was normal at the time. I suspect capital punishment will be one of those things in the next 50 years.

That has to be one of the most lazy minded ass backwards rationale I have read all month. I don't care how many people do something wrong, IT.DOES.NOT.MAKE.IT.RIGHT.
Morality may be determined by majority rule(in your estimation) but it RIGHT AND WRONG ARE NOT.

Not true. Right/wrong are not absolute and unchanging. They are very much circumstantial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think professional basketball and football needs a little Affirmative action love. If you simply go by demographics, about 75% of players should be white.

Most of the owners, execs and managers are white. So it ain't gonna happen.

Why will it not happen?

Because NBA players are selected by performance.

AND it would be boring AF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It always amazes me how people justify racism just because the racist view was widely accepted during the time the racist was wrong. If you cannot see how sick and crazy that is, you are truly disturbed. Just because a lot people accept,perpetuate and go along with "wrong", does not magically make it right. But, God forbid anyone tell the truth and seem to taint the image of a cultural icon, and we have to deal with the real, have to think differently about something that "we" hold dear and soeaks volunes about our society as a whole. It's way more important to try to downplay than admit a truth we don't want to deal with

Morality is determined by society. It's why we don't use iron maidens anymore or sacrifice babies. People thought they were doing a necessary service to their community. Yes, we can look back now and say that thousands of years of slavery was terrible, but it was normal at the time. I suspect capital punishment will be one of those things in the next 50 years.

That has to be one of the most lazy minded ass backwards rationale I have read all month. I don't care how many people do something wrong, IT.DOES.NOT.MAKE.IT.RIGHT.
Morality may be determined by majority rule(in your estimation) but it RIGHT AND WRONG ARE NOT.

Not true. Right/wrong are not absolute and unchanging. They are very much circumstantial.

You need Jesus!

[Anonymous]

He died in 1979. Who gives rat's behind?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what the reaction would have been today to these remarks he made in a Playboy interview in 1971.

When asked about discrimination he said the following:

"With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people."

And here's what he had to say about promoting diversity in Hollywood:

"I've directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it's supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don't go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There's no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren't Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can't always be that way. There isn't necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven't trained themselves for that type of work."

An old thread/subject revived due to recent news.

John Wayne backed up his vile white supremacist views with actions. His ignorant statements and actions were wrong in '71; and he's dead-wrong today. He is part of the reason we are where we are today, IMO.

Yes, absolutely, rename the airport. https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/03/02/john-wayne-airport-playboy-interview-ethan-wayne-smerconish-vpx.cnn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was a different time.

But I suppose the PC crowd will demand that the name of the Santa Ana airport be changed. Unfortunately for them, it is in the middle of GOP dominated Orange County.

The Duke was still a good actor, though.

He was a TERRIBLE actor, my god. Wooden. But he made good movies with directors who got him.

[Anonymous]

I never enjoyed his acting or movies. Not a war movie or western fan. He was a one trick pony with no range who sounded to be constipated each time he uttered a word.

In other words: Meh. John who?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd call him a racist anymore than I would Mark Twain. It's a fact of the period.

John Wayne does make a good point that if someone is not trained for a job, why should it be given to them to satisfy a number game? That's my issue with affirmative action. A 50 year old white woman who has been a checker in a grocery store for the past 30 years can't get a job because the ex-con black man needs a job and god forbid the numbers don't line up for the diversity ratio. It's bullshit.

The fact of the period was racism and racists.period. End of story.

[Anonymous]

It’s going to be hysterical to see millennials being judged 50 years from now for all the _______ist things they said and did today, when they saw themselves at the vanguards of social justice, only to be hoisted on their own petards in half a century.

The very people judging others by today’s standards for things said and done 50 years ago who will see the same treatment 50 year from now.

I hope I’m still around to LMAO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:-John Wayne was racist and his comments were disgusting.
-Thomas Jefferson was not a great man.
-Affirmative action is a necessary. Considering that white women are now the main beneficiaries, the original concept is warped anyway. If folks think black people are getting jobs over white people, you're crazy.

Have you considered finding another country to emigrate to?

Because I truly do believe you’d be happier elsewhere. Why do you stay here and punish yourself like this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know the scope of his views but to give him a fair hearing I think his quote needs to be considered in the light of the social turmoil at the time such as the black panthers etc and I believe it seemed like the entire country was being ripped apart. Had he lived longer to weather the change it's hard to say how his views may have developed. Or not. Just a thought.

An uneducated, poorly-explained thought.

A vague, pointless retort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never enjoyed his acting or movies. Not a war movie or western fan. He was a one trick pony with no range who sounded to be constipated each time he uttered a word.

In other words: Meh. John who?

THIS is the legitimate criticism of John Wayne.

A one dimensional actor who could only play one character, in different roles. Even Robert DiNero and Arnold Schwarzenegger, other famous one dimensional hacks, have at least branched out into comedy on occasion. Even they are more talented than John Wayne.

Wanna see what a GOOD actor looks like? Will Smith. Mark Wahlberg. Each has played good guys, bad guys, drama, action, comedy. That is the true measure of an actor- flexibility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I never enjoyed his acting or movies. Not a war movie or western fan. He was a one trick pony with no range who sounded to be constipated each time he uttered a word.

In other words: Meh. John who?

THIS is the legitimate criticism of John Wayne.

A one dimensional actor who could only play one character, in different roles. Even Robert DiNero and Arnold Schwarzenegger, other famous one dimensional hacks, have at least branched out into comedy on occasion. Even they are more talented than John Wayne.

Wanna see what a GOOD actor looks like? Will Smith. Mark Wahlberg. Each has played good guys, bad guys, drama, action, comedy. That is the true measure of an actor- flexibility.

I like your reasoning, here. Right off hand, I'd add Denzel Washington, Tom Hanks, and Meryl Streep to the list, as well. Let's see if they get any airports named after them...