Want to buy a house without an agent - the listing agent has cancelled the showing. Any ideas?

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and now I'm LOL realizing that the self-absorbed douchebag poster is prob. a broker, not a lawyer ... brokers, esp. commercial RE brokers, are even lower life forms than many lawyers (based on 33 yrs. of legal practice experience including commercial & residential RE). ;-o

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Anonymous wrote:and now I'm LOL realizing that the self-absorbed douchebag poster is prob. a broker, not a lawyer ... brokers, esp. commercial RE brokers, are even lower life forms than many lawyers (based on 33 yrs. of legal practice experience including commercial & residential RE). ;-o

I think you might be right. The fishy part is just cancelling the showing, and no stated reason. I mean if someone calls you to cancel, don't you then ask when is a better time and/or don't they give you a reason for cancelling it?

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Yes, but I make a lot more money than you do and did not have to settle for a job at the antitrust division of DOJ or FTC. Unlike you I deal with partners at big law who respect and trust me and who have first year assocaites easily answer your silly pleadings. You deal at your level, I will deal at mine. And I don't do it from my piss poor quality "million" dollar home in wherever it is government lawyers can afford to live. I don't deal with the likes of you, so I wouldn't know.

Thanks for proving my point about realtors being idiots. You needed shockingly little rope to hang yourself. Furthermore, I am not a lawyer; my statement about the FTC was referring to cases brought against the MLS for acting as a cartel that illegally restrained trade. If the real estate industry wasn't full of dipshits like you, people might actually have some respect for it. As for your statement about my earnings that you somehow gleaned from my post: gag a fucking maggot. Only in DC would a parasitic broker shoot off her mouth about how much she makes.

Parasitic dipshit here. I am only a real estate agent and not a broker. Guess you don't know the difference, not being a lawyer and all that.

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The real problem in the whole "negotiation" is that you need them more than they need you. Simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Preener here. The partners with whom I work head federal agencies as political favours or remain at biglaw. It is those without a book of business who go fed

dear preener, you sound a lot like one of those (despised) people my colleagues, parters at biglaw with a nice book of business, refer to as "kissing up and pissing down". they advised me against people like you when my started as first year associate

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I used this guy over a year ago. Mentioned him in several threads.

www.lawyers-realty.com

OP -- I think this would solve your problem.

As long as sellers employ traditional agents, you have to play the game. Don't fight it. Beat it.

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Anonymous wrote:Preener here. The partners with whom I work head federal agencies as political favours or remain at biglaw. It is those without a book of business who go fed

dear preener, you sound a lot like one of those (despised) people my colleagues, parters at biglaw with a nice book of business, refer to as "kissing up and pissing down". they advised me against people like you when my started as first year associate

Yes, and they warned me about the first year associates who would never have a book of business and have to -- go to the government

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Interesting thread. I am currently a seller of a condo in a very hot neighborhood. Listed on Friday, offers started coming in on saturday. My realtor handled all of this. At one point, we thought we might just try to sell it ourselves and hire a lawyer to handle the closing. But its a lot more complicate than that (and my husband is a lawyer too). Here is the bottom line, its a sellers market. the seller has all the leverage. I wouldn't want my realtor wasting his time on some random "legal eagle" trying to buy without an agent. Not when I have multiple offers 25k over asking 24 hours after listing. And Im still not accpeting them because I want to have the open house and get a bidding war going. Yes its sucks balls to be a buyer now. but its also stupid to do it without an agent. I rely on my agent and his relationship with other agents on pre open house showings and knowing whether someone is legit. And by legit, ready to make an offer that day with 25k in earnest money. YOu arent coming across as serious. And if you called me to complain about my agent I would tell you to eff off cause Im busy reviewing other offers. Good luck to you. Welcome to a sellers market.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting thread. I am currently a seller of a condo in a very hot neighborhood. Listed on Friday, offers started coming in on saturday. My realtor handled all of this. At one point, we thought we might just try to sell it ourselves and hire a lawyer to handle the closing. But its a lot more complicate than that (and my husband is a lawyer too). Here is the bottom line, its a sellers market. the seller has all the leverage. I wouldn't want my realtor wasting his time on some random "legal eagle" trying to buy without an agent. Not when I have multiple offers 25k over asking 24 hours after listing. And Im still not accpeting them because I want to have the open house and get a bidding war going. Yes its sucks balls to be a buyer now. but its also stupid to do it without an agent. I rely on my agent and his relationship with other agents on pre open house showings and knowing whether someone is legit. And by legit, ready to make an offer that day with 25k in earnest money. YOu arent coming across as serious. And if you called me to complain about my agent I would tell you to eff off cause Im busy reviewing other offers. Good luck to you. Welcome to a sellers market.

this.

summarize very well what others have been trying to say. I would not be surprised if OP found out the hard way, and the house he wanted to look at is already under contract.

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Anonymous wrote:Preener here. The partners with whom I work head federal agencies as political favours or remain at biglaw. It is those without a book of business who go fed

Are they also the ones who teach you to spell "favour" in the pretentious British style?

Or did you come over here after failing to cut the mustard at home on the other side of the pond?

Your attitude is remarkable, you must hang out with and "service" only similarly pretentious and smug assholes, because anyone with a modicum of taste and a functioning b.s. detector would smell your tired act a mile away (including me and others I know who could easily meet your self-absorbed financial standard for your no-doubt oh-so-special "services").

I know and have worked closely with numerous partners (or people with a lot more money than law partners) who head agencies, companies, etc., and few if any exhibit the disgracefully graceless lack of class and taste that you're serenading us with here.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting thread. I am currently a seller of a condo in a very hot neighborhood. Listed on Friday, offers started coming in on saturday. My realtor handled all of this. At one point, we thought we might just try to sell it ourselves and hire a lawyer to handle the closing. But its a lot more complicate than that (and my husband is a lawyer too). Here is the bottom line, its a sellers market. the seller has all the leverage. I wouldn't want my realtor wasting his time on some random "legal eagle" trying to buy without an agent. Not when I have multiple offers 25k over asking 24 hours after listing. And Im still not accpeting them because I want to have the open house and get a bidding war going. Yes its sucks balls to be a buyer now. but its also stupid to do it without an agent. I rely on my agent and his relationship with other agents on pre open house showings and knowing whether someone is legit. And by legit, ready to make an offer that day with 25k in earnest money. YOu arent coming across as serious. And if you called me to complain about my agent I would tell you to eff off cause Im busy reviewing other offers. Good luck to you. Welcome to a sellers market.

OP here. I am a serious buyer and would have been ready to cut a check for a $ 100k deposit. The listing agent would not have more work dealing with unrepresented me, because I know EXACTLY what to do, having gone through a couple of FSBOs before. I have everything lined up: inspector, pre-approval letter, settlement company, etc.

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OP here again. Forgot to mention: the house is still on the market. It is in a not-so-hot area of Potomac.

I think we'll go the Redfin route.

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I'd say throw your legal weight around here. I smell BS, and if there's anything I hate more than BS it's real estate agent BS.

You don't understand what you're talking about. The 6% commission is in the agreement between the listing agent and the seller. Potential buyers, their mothers, uncles and other parties who are not involved in this agreement have no right to interfere with the contractual arrangement to which they are not a party. No one is saving anyone any money as a matter of law. The listing agent's duty is to get the highest price for the house. For all you know, she's doing it. If you think buyers without agents should be saving 3%, you are quite free to offer this, but no one is under obligation to agree with you. Remember, the commission is the agreement between the seller and the agent/broker. Not the buyer.

No. The lawyer is representing herself. She is her own rep.

If she's representing herself, she'd need a real estate license. If she represents herself as a real estate attorney (i.e. does her own closing paperwork), she's free to do so, but the fact is that she still needs someone to provide access to the house. If an agent - any agent - opens the door for her, that agent has procuring cause and can claim the commission. The reality of real estate market in the U.S. means you cannot gain access to the house without someone to open the door for you. If it's the listing agent, then the listing agent will claim all 6%. If it's a buyer's agent, then the buyer agent will claim his/her share. If someone else lets you into the door (i.e. seller, open house etc.), you still need the seller and his/her agent to AGREE to rebate you part of the commission. You may not like it, but that is how the arrangement is set up.

Not if the buyer hasn't signed anything! And ESP not if the buyer just called to ask about open house and to speak to the listing agent and was instead routed to another agent at the same company without her knowledge.

I am not sure whether any random agent can claim the commission just for opening the door if the buyer hasn't signed a buyer representation contract. To be entitled to the sales commission, the agent must be the procuring cause of the sale AND have a written contract with the buyer or the seller.

I am not sure whether the door-opening agent would qualify as a sub-agent of the listing agent and thus he and the listing agent could pocket the entire commission.

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Anonymous wrote:Preener here. The partners with whom I work head federal agencies as political favours or remain at biglaw. It is those without a book of business who go fed

Are they also the ones who teach you to spell "favour" in the pretentious British style?

Or did you come over here after failing to cut the mustard at home on the other side of the pond?

Your attitude is remarkable, you must hang out with and "service" only similarly pretentious and smug assholes, because anyone with a modicum of taste and a functioning b.s. detector would smell your tired act a mile away (including me and others I know who could easily meet your self-absorbed financial standard for your no-doubt oh-so-special "services").

I know and have worked closely with numerous partners (or people with a lot more money than law partners) who head agencies, companies, etc., and few if any exhibit the disgracefully graceless lack of class and taste that you're serenading us with here. [/quote

Nor do they adopt the high dudgeon I have induced in you. I remained calm as you became increasingly rattled. Not good for negotiations, is it?

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of realtors are morons that have gone into the business because they have realized they truly have no marketable skills; their only option to feed themselves is to join the NAR gestapo. On the high end of the market around here where the buyers and sellers are both well educated (and oftentimes attorneys), realtors truly serve no purpose other than unlocking the door. My 8 year old could put together better marketing material than what you see on most MLS listings, and when a house goes under contract in 3 days, what work has the realtor actually done. All you need to buy/sell a home is a set of comparable sales (which, with a lag, are public record), an inspector, an attorney, and a bank. Anyone else involved in the transaction is simply a parasite. I just hope I live to see the day when the traditional real estate brokerage is killed off for good. Another antitrust suit from the FTC against the MLS might do the trick.

I encourage the OP to contact the seller directly; if the agent did not fulfill her fiduciary duty to the seller to the letter of the contract, go after her license. Until buyers and sellers start holding these idiots responsible for their behavior, this bullshit will continue. Best of luck.

Agree with this 100%.