Parent body at Beauvoir and GDS?

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Anonymous wrote:Easy - Beauvoir is nominally Episcopalian. GDS is nominally Jewish. Both are the more liberal sectors of each religious contingent and their school administration's actions and policies reflect the influence of each "tribe".

GDS is nominally "nothing." It was started in 1945 by people who were not into segregation

So, you have never, ever heard that GDS is primarily Jewish and you would swear that the school is, like Beauvoir no more than 20% from any particular religious group ? Question: does GDS give tests on Yom Kippur ? Is it open on Yom Kippur ? Not that there is anything wrong with making allowances , but lets be honest as to the reasons why that is done. There is more religious diversity at Beauvoir than at GDS. That is a fact.

Are you basically saying that Beauvoir has a religious quota?

No, and boy are you determined to twist everything. I'd say that Beauvoir has a great amount of diversity becuase its a great school with incredible facilities and , as a resuly, they probaly get most of their 1st choice yield each admissions year. PP, can you not simply speak positively about GDS, if that is your feeling. Why do you have to attack Beauvoir to prop GDS up .

PP, hate to pull a J Steele on you but that is not what you said. You didn't say that Beauvoir has a great amount of diversity because it is a great school with incredible facilities and has a high admissions yield, but that "GDS is primarily Jewish...Beauvoir [has] no more than 20% from any particular religious group." From my reading, you basically say that there is nothing wrong with a lot of Jews at GDS, but that there is more religious diversity at Beauvoir. "That is a fact," which you then do not offer a cite. And unlike your rhetorical question, where you assume no, GDS is not open on Yom Kippur, GDS is open on the Jewish High Holidays.

I am not interested in a debate with you and I don't think that the OP is interested in us debating. As a Beauvoir parent I can say, for a fact, that Beauvoir has more ethnic and religious diversity than GDS. I know many parents at both schools ( many former B parents are at GDS now)

I guess you don't like having a Beauvoir parent put the lie to the stereotype that the schoool is full of WASPS. It is very , very, diverse, including politically, country of origin, religiously, racially. How is this achieved ? I have no idea. I am not the AD. I postulated that most schools try to achieve diversity but only achieve it if they can get their full yield on their first choice admit roster. Beauvoir achieves this goal all have because its a wonderful school with incredible facilities. That is my guess. Diversity of all kinds: political, racial, religous, country of origin, sexuality, is good for our kids. Do we not agree ? I think we do.

To me a "quota" suggests blindly picking based on religion or race to fit a number. Its a negative association and you know it is, which is why you suggest that to try to put a negative on Beauvoir's diversity. Geesh, give it up. Beauvoir is a great school. If you stromgly feel GD is the best school, perhaps say why as a stand alone point without tagging Beauvoir with a stereotype that is 60 years out of date.

PP, in your obsession with diversity it's funny that the only category you didn't mention is socioeconomic, which is of course the only one that really matters any more. Perhaps that is because, for all the ballyhooing, B is still not a magnet for families from, shall we say, east of the Park?

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PP, there is nothing wrong with your preferring one school to another. Where you go astray is claiming facts when you do not substantiate them ("Beauvoir has more ethnic and religious diversity") as well as attributing claims when none were offerred ("you don't like having a Beauvoir parent put the lie to the stereotype that the schoool is full of WASPS"). I don't even remember anyone using WASP in this thread. Many of our friends have children at Beauvoir. They are great families. My hunch is that they would all be disappointed to read your postings here.

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Is the Beauvoir fawner the same ass-clown who uses the expression "behind every blade of grass"? Seen that in multiple places leading up to a hater comment.

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Anonymous wrote:``GDS is nominally Jewish.''
Hey screechy...you are getting all heated up because you don't know what nominally means. ``Nomnially'' is derived from the Latin word for name. So, it's used to imply the idea ``in name only'' - the opposite of how you used way it. This is how nominally is commonly used in sentences. ``I'm nominally Catholic, but I don't really believe in transubstantiation.''

So, GDS is not nominally Jewish. It may have a lot of Jews there - which is, I think, your point. But its actually a secular school founded by people who didn't want to participate in a school system that assigned kids to specific schools based on their skin color. GDS is indeed, as the pp said, nominally nothing.

No here. I like your pedantic post, but you are wrong.

Georgetown day school is indeed nominally something -- it's nominally about Georgetown.

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Anonymous wrote:Easy - Beauvoir is nominally Episcopalian. GDS is nominally Jewish. Both are the more liberal sectors of each religious contingent and their school administration's actions and policies reflect the influence of each "tribe".

GDS is nominally "nothing." It was started in 1945 by people who were not into segregation

So, you have never, ever heard that GDS is primarily Jewish and you would swear that the school is, like Beauvoir no more than 20% from any particular religious group ? Question: does GDS give tests on Yom Kippur ? Is it open on Yom Kippur ? Not that there is anything wrong with making allowances , but lets be honest as to the reasons why that is done. There is more religious diversity at Beauvoir than at GDS. That is a fact.

Are you basically saying that Beauvoir has a religious quota?

No, and boy are you determined to twist everything. I'd say that Beauvoir has a great amount of diversity becuase its a great school with incredible facilities and , as a resuly, they probaly get most of their 1st choice yield each admissions year. PP, can you not simply speak positively about GDS, if that is your feeling. Why do you have to attack Beauvoir to prop GDS up .

PP, hate to pull a J Steele on you but that is not what you said. You didn't say that Beauvoir has a great amount of diversity because it is a great school with incredible facilities and has a high admissions yield, but that "GDS is primarily Jewish...Beauvoir [has] no more than 20% from any particular religious group." From my reading, you basically say that there is nothing wrong with a lot of Jews at GDS, but that there is more religious diversity at Beauvoir. "That is a fact," which you then do not offer a cite. And unlike your rhetorical question, where you assume no, GDS is not open on Yom Kippur, GDS is open on the Jewish High Holidays.

I am not interested in a debate with you and I don't think that the OP is interested in us debating. As a Beauvoir parent I can say, for a fact, that Beauvoir has more ethnic and religious diversity than GDS. I know many parents at both schools ( many former B parents are at GDS now)

I guess you don't like having a Beauvoir parent put the lie to the stereotype that the schoool is full of WASPS. It is very , very, diverse, including politically, country of origin, religiously, racially. How is this achieved ? I have no idea. I am not the AD. I postulated that most schools try to achieve diversity but only achieve it if they can get their full yield on their first choice admit roster. Beauvoir achieves this goal all have because its a wonderful school with incredible facilities. That is my guess. Diversity of all kinds: political, racial, religous, country of origin, sexuality, is good for our kids. Do we not agree ? I think we do.

To me a "quota" suggests blindly picking based on religion or race to fit a number. Its a negative association and you know it is, which is why you suggest that to try to put a negative on Beauvoir's diversity. Geesh, give it up. Beauvoir is a great school. If you stromgly feel GD is the best school, perhaps say why as a stand alone point without tagging Beauvoir with a stereotype that is 60 years out of date.

You may be a bit confused as to what a "fact" is. Maybe what you meant to say is that as a Beauvoir parent, this is your "impression?" Or do you have access to information detailing numbers of minorities at GDS and Beauvoir?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy - Beauvoir is nominally Episcopalian. GDS is nominally Jewish. Both are the more liberal sectors of each religious contingent and their school administration's actions and policies reflect the influence of each "tribe".

GDS is nominally "nothing." It was started in 1945 by people who were not into segregation

So, you have never, ever heard that GDS is primarily Jewish and you would swear that the school is, like Beauvoir no more than 20% from any particular religious group ? Question: does GDS give tests on Yom Kippur ? Is it open on Yom Kippur ? Not that there is anything wrong with making allowances , but lets be honest as to the reasons why that is done. There is more religious diversity at Beauvoir than at GDS. That is a fact.

Are you basically saying that Beauvoir has a religious quota?

No, and boy are you determined to twist everything. I'd say that Beauvoir has a great amount of diversity becuase its a great school with incredible facilities and , as a resuly, they probaly get most of their 1st choice yield each admissions year. PP, can you not simply speak positively about GDS, if that is your feeling. Why do you have to attack Beauvoir to prop GDS up .

PP, hate to pull a J Steele on you but that is not what you said. You didn't say that Beauvoir has a great amount of diversity because it is a great school with incredible facilities and has a high admissions yield, but that "GDS is primarily Jewish...Beauvoir [has] no more than 20% from any particular religious group." From my reading, you basically say that there is nothing wrong with a lot of Jews at GDS, but that there is more religious diversity at Beauvoir. "That is a fact," which you then do not offer a cite. And unlike your rhetorical question, where you assume no, GDS is not open on Yom Kippur, GDS is open on the Jewish High Holidays.

I am not interested in a debate with you and I don't think that the OP is interested in us debating. As a Beauvoir parent I can say, for a fact, that Beauvoir has more ethnic and religious diversity than GDS. I know many parents at both schools ( many former B parents are at GDS now)

I guess you don't like having a Beauvoir parent put the lie to the stereotype that the schoool is full of WASPS. It is very , very, diverse, including politically, country of origin, religiously, racially. How is this achieved ? I have no idea. I am not the AD. I postulated that most schools try to achieve diversity but only achieve it if they can get their full yield on their first choice admit roster. Beauvoir achieves this goal all have because its a wonderful school with incredible facilities. That is my guess. Diversity of all kinds: political, racial, religous, country of origin, sexuality, is good for our kids. Do we not agree ? I think we do.

To me a "quota" suggests blindly picking based on religion or race to fit a number. Its a negative association and you know it is, which is why you suggest that to try to put a negative on Beauvoir's diversity. Geesh, give it up. Beauvoir is a great school. If you stromgly feel GD is the best school, perhaps say why as a stand alone point without tagging Beauvoir with a stereotype that is 60 years out of date.

PP, in your obsession with diversity it's funny that the only category you didn't mention is socioeconomic, which is of course the only one that really matters any more. Perhaps that is because, for all the ballyhooing, B is still not a magnet for families from, shall we say, east of the Park?

LOL. long, long, post and do leave a few things out. Per their website and financial statements to the IRS, Beauvoir awards FA to about 27% of its applicants. - signed and "east of the park " family, of which I know of at least 20 others in DC's grade alone.

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PP, in your obsession with diversity it's funny that the only category you didn't mention is socioeconomic, which is of course the only one that really matters any more. Perhaps that is because, for all the ballyhooing, B is still not a magnet for families from, shall we say, east of the Park?

LOL. long, long, post and do leave a few things out. Per their website and financial statements to the IRS, Beauvoir awards FA to about 27% of its applicants. - signed and "east of the park " family, of which I know of at least 20 others in DC's grade alone.

How many of these 27% of families getting FA are in the $90-100K HHI range, and getting a few thousand in FA, though? And how many are $30-50K families getting 100% FA, and nobody in the family has been to college? On the General Discussion forum - someone, maybe you, you sound like the same rightwinger - was trying to make the point that at Chevy Chase Elementary School there were "only" 9% FARMS kids. But to get FARMS, you need to have income not more than 185% of the poverty line (the poverty line is around $24 for a family of four, so this is income of maybe $50K). So effectively, the 9% FARMS kids at Chevy Chase ES have HHI of less than $50K and would be the kids who would need 100% FA at any private school. Now THAT's diversity, even at a Chevy Chase public.

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PP, in your obsession with diversity it's funny that the only category you didn't mention is socioeconomic, which is of course the only one that really matters any more. Perhaps that is because, for all the ballyhooing, B is still not a magnet for families from, shall we say, east of the Park?

LOL. long, long, post and do leave a few things out. Per their website and financial statements to the IRS, Beauvoir awards FA to about 27% of its applicants. - signed and "east of the park " family, of which I know of at least 20 others in DC's grade alone.

How many of these 27% of families getting FA are in the $90-100K HHI range, and getting a few thousand in FA, though? And how many are $30-50K families getting 100% FA, and nobody in the family has been to college? On the General Discussion forum - someone, maybe you, you sound like the same rightwinger - was trying to make the point that at Chevy Chase Elementary School there were "only" 9% FARMS kids. But to get FARMS, you need to have income not more than 185% of the poverty line (the poverty line is around $24 for a family of four, so this is income of maybe $50K). So effectively, the 9% FARMS kids at Chevy Chase ES have HHI of less than $50K and would be the kids who would need 100% FA at any private school. Now THAT's diversity, even at a Chevy Chase public.

Precisely. To paraphrase a great line I read on this forum months ago, when I see the children of a first generation immigrant who is working 2 or 3 jobs, including the check-out line at Giant, to support his family, going to Beauvoir on FA, then I will be impressed with, and very willing to support, the program. Everything else is window dressing.

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PP, in your obsession with diversity it's funny that the only category you didn't mention is socioeconomic, which is of course the only one that really matters any more. Perhaps that is because, for all the ballyhooing, B is still not a magnet for families from, shall we say, east of the Park?

LOL. long, long, post and do leave a few things out. Per their website and financial statements to the IRS, Beauvoir awards FA to about 27% of its applicants. - signed and "east of the park " family, of which I know of at least 20 others in DC's grade alone.

How many of these 27% of families getting FA are in the $90-100K HHI range, and getting a few thousand in FA, though? And how many are $30-50K families getting 100% FA, and nobody in the family has been to college? On the General Discussion forum - someone, maybe you, you sound like the same rightwinger - was trying to make the point that at Chevy Chase Elementary School there were "only" 9% FARMS kids. But to get FARMS, you need to have income not more than 185% of the poverty line (the poverty line is around $24 for a family of four, so this is income of maybe $50K). So effectively, the 9% FARMS kids at Chevy Chase ES have HHI of less than $50K and would be the kids who would need 100% FA at any private school. Now THAT's diversity, even at a Chevy Chase public.

PP, there are many great schools in Washington. The OP family has already likely chosen( unless you are the OP posting a troll thread). I think that your screechy defensiveness about GDS pretty much proves my point about the school. Do you mesna to display that on DCUM's where maybe it will be read each year by some ?

All the schools in Washington offer FA, all have a lot of diversity of every kind. Truly, it is not 1945 anymore( when GDS was founded to combat racism in admissions). The world has moved on largely due to the draw of Fed gov't, the increasing size of Executive branch of gov't and the Private school's incresing dependance on non-profit status to manintain their budget. These are realities taht drive the change and they are far more secure determinants of diversity than the mission statement of any school will ever be.

I find it odd that as much as you claim to passionately care about not stereotyping, every time you post about Beauvoir you do just that. Perhaps, deep down, you wish this town still operated the way it did in the 1940's and 1950"s as , that way,it would allow your sanctimony to go unchallenged.

Good luck to the OP ( if she is actually a parent of a child with this decision to make)

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New poster. I'm pretty sure I've watched this exact same Beauvoir poster and this exact same GDS poster battle it out before. The writing styles from their other fights match. I really wish you'd both find a different hobby than bickering with each other. I don't mind much when you each try to protect the school you love, but when you turn to bashing the other person's school, you really are just making your own school look bad.

It's your choice of course how you want to spend your time, but maybe you should consider moving on to something else.

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PP, in your obsession with diversity it's funny that the only category you didn't mention is socioeconomic, which is of course the only one that really matters any more. Perhaps that is because, for all the ballyhooing, B is still not a magnet for families from, shall we say, east of the Park?

LOL. long, long, post and do leave a few things out. Per their website and financial statements to the IRS, Beauvoir awards FA to about 27% of its applicants. - signed and "east of the park " family, of which I know of at least 20 others in DC's grade alone.

How many of these 27% of families getting FA are in the $90-100K HHI range, and getting a few thousand in FA, though? And how many are $30-50K families getting 100% FA, and nobody in the family has been to college? On the General Discussion forum - someone, maybe you, you sound like the same rightwinger - was trying to make the point that at Chevy Chase Elementary School there were "only" 9% FARMS kids. But to get FARMS, you need to have income not more than 185% of the poverty line (the poverty line is around $24 for a family of four, so this is income of maybe $50K). So effectively, the 9% FARMS kids at Chevy Chase ES have HHI of less than $50K and would be the kids who would need 100% FA at any private school. Now THAT's diversity, even at a Chevy Chase public.

PP, there are many great schools in Washington. The OP family has already likely chosen( unless you are the OP posting a troll thread). I think that your screechy defensiveness about GDS pretty much proves my point about the school. Do you mesna to display that on DCUM's where maybe it will be read each year by some ?

All the schools in Washington offer FA, all have a lot of diversity of every kind. Truly, it is not 1945 anymore( when GDS was founded to combat racism in admissions). The world has moved on largely due to the draw of Fed gov't, the increasing size of Executive branch of gov't and the Private school's incresing dependance on non-profit status to manintain their budget. These are realities taht drive the change and they are far more secure determinants of diversity than the mission statement of any school will ever be.

I find it odd that as much as you claim to passionately care about not stereotyping, every time you post about Beauvoir you do just that. Perhaps, deep down, you wish this town still operated the way it did in the 1940's and 1950"s as , that way,it would allow your sanctimony to go unchallenged.

Good luck to the OP ( if she is actually a parent of a child with this decision to make)

I'm not from GDS or from Beauvoir, and I'm certainly not defensive about either GDS or Beauvoir. It's just that every time I see this particular Tea Partier posting this particular argument about how "diversity" is so much better in private schools, I go a little ballistic. I've had kids in private schools and public schools, and I know a thing or two about diversity in each, and I think going ballistic on this Tea Partier is justified. YMMV.

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14:12 again. It might help if I mention that I think I had this same argument with this very same person just a few days ago on another forum. This right wing nutcase needs to give it up.

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Beauvoir is The Man incarnate. GDS is Fight the Man incarnate.

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Beauvoir is pearls. GDS is the stringy thing your DC made for you in arts and crafts.

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Beauvoir is upstairs at Downton Abbey. GDS is downstairs at Downtown Abbey.