Citizens of Convenience: How many passports do you hold?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have dual, US and EU. I use the EU all the time to stay for months to years in Europe, and to travel. Plus it lets me pass ad a min American at a time when much of the world looks down on us. It also gives my immediate family rights to accompany me. Why wouldn’t someone do it if they’re eligible? To be an American only these days is to be a stooge.

Wow. Do you feel the same about people in other countries with just one “citizenship”? Like someone from Japan? Italy? Argentina?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of us have families that have been here since practically the Mayflower. I would have zero chance of getting a passport anywhere other than the countries that basically sell them and I am not interested.

WOW, how amazing. But just so you know, when you say stuff like that, people who can trace their ancestors back a thousand years or more are laughing at you.

You can trace your ancestors back more than 2000 years? I’d love to see that tree. It must be available somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More than one shows lack of commitment to any country and undependable. They should enforce the usa citizenship requirement of denouncing all other country allegiance m

Sure. Don’t disagree. But the American experiment is on the cusp of complete failure. So it’s reasonable for families that have optionality to maintain choices. I pursued passports for my kids. If everything goes to hell, I’d like them to have exit options. And we’re dancing pretty close to that edge. Always good to have a plan B when your country is insane.

You meant entitlement not optionality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2. Honestly my non US one was such a headache I would have absolutely zero desire to get another one.

+1

I am a naturalized US citizen and also a citizen of my native country. It would be easier to travel to my native country without having citizenship there. They don't require visas for US citizens, but if I am a citizen I have to keep my passport up to date.

If I had to flee the US it is not remotely likely my native country would be any better. There are many things I love about it but the government is not one of those things.

[Anonymous]

We have two—US and EU. Grandparents are Holocaust survivors and going through the citizenship process for descendants was emotionally fulfilling in a way

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More than one shows lack of commitment to any country and undependable. They should enforce the usa citizenship requirement of denouncing all other country allegiance m

That's old school thinking. We live in a global world. Look at corporations!

[Anonymous]

It can be complicated for the many people around here who need clearance for their jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of us have families that have been here since practically the Mayflower. I would have zero chance of getting a passport anywhere other than the countries that basically sell them and I am not interested.

WOW, how amazing. But just so you know, when you say stuff like that, people who can trace their ancestors back a thousand years or more are laughing at you.

People who came on the Mayflower often can go back to the Middle Ages as well. Plenty of Puritans had Plantagenet ties.

Google AI says:

"While the Puritan migration took place under the Stuart kings, many of these Puritan settlers (such as Thomas Dudley) were descendants of English nobility, tracing their family trees back to the Plantagenet kings. The exponential growth of medieval noble descendants means that a large portion of modern Western society is descended from these two historic groups."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More than one shows lack of commitment to any country and undependable. They should enforce the usa citizenship requirement of denouncing all other country allegiance m

That's old school thinking. We live in a global world. Look at corporations!

PP isn’t wrong though about the oath. Are words meaningless?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of us have families that have been here since practically the Mayflower. I would have zero chance of getting a passport anywhere other than the countries that basically sell them and I am not interested.

WOW, how amazing. But just so you know, when you say stuff like that, people who can trace their ancestors back a thousand years or more are laughing at you.

You can trace your ancestors back more than 2000 years? I’d love to see that tree. It must be available somewhere.

Yes! My grandmother spent most of her adult life tracing her lineage and wrote a couple of books about it. That is only inconceivable to Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of us have families that have been here since practically the Mayflower. I would have zero chance of getting a passport anywhere other than the countries that basically sell them and I am not interested.

WOW, how amazing. But just so you know, when you say stuff like that, people who can trace their ancestors back a thousand years or more are laughing at you.

Honestly curious who can trace their ancestors back that far? Are you Danish royalty?

Not Danish royalty, but yes, royalty a LONG time ago in a fairly insignificant place in the world. Means nothing today other than the fact that we can trace our origins better than some. I responded to someone else that my grandmother spent most of her adult life tracing her lineage and wrote a couple of books about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of us have families that have been here since practically the Mayflower. I would have zero chance of getting a passport anywhere other than the countries that basically sell them and I am not interested.

WOW, how amazing. But just so you know, when you say stuff like that, people who can trace their ancestors back a thousand years or more are laughing at you.

Honestly curious who can trace their ancestors back that far? Are you Danish royalty?

DP Many cultures kept records. We're Chinese and can trace our ancestors back 2500+ years. Ours were carved in stone and hidden in mountains, so they were intact. There are also copies everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It can be complicated for the many people around here who need clearance for their jobs.

Yes, DH can only hold a US passport, but the kids and I are bopping around with our 4 passports each.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be complicated for the many people around here who need clearance for their jobs.

Yes, DH can only hold a US passport, but the kids and I are bopping around with our 4 passports each.

Again I ask, what do you contribute to your 4 countries or is this a one-way relationship that only benefits you and your kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of us have families that have been here since practically the Mayflower. I would have zero chance of getting a passport anywhere other than the countries that basically sell them and I am not interested.

WOW, how amazing. But just so you know, when you say stuff like that, people who can trace their ancestors back a thousand years or more are laughing at you.

Honestly curious who can trace their ancestors back that far? Are you Danish royalty?

Not Danish royalty, but yes, royalty a LONG time ago in a fairly insignificant place in the world. Means nothing today other than the fact that we can trace our origins better than some. I responded to someone else that my grandmother spent most of her adult life tracing her lineage and wrote a couple of books about it.

The surprise is t that records were kept. It is that 2000 years worth of records are extant allowing you to trace an unbroken chain that far back. Can you only trace that far back via descendants of some royal or noble figure? Can hih trace that far back on lines of your peasant ancestors assuming your family mixed with the unwashed masses.